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A University of Arizona prof works hard to make Darwinism coincide with the history of life

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She shows you can make it work, if you really try, with the dinosaur extinction:

When things did settle back down, the pace of evolution would return to a virtual standstill. That’s the pattern we observe in the fossil record: disruption, change and then long periods of stasis. However, it took many years for scientists to accept this pattern. It contradicted the Darwinian paradigm, where evolution should occur through slow and gradual changes. Under the Darwinian view, the diversity of life can be explained by simply adding up many, many small inherited changes over a long period of time. Such gradualism was believed to be a necessary part of adaptation by natural selection – the process by which some variants of traits are lost each generation, because their bearers leave no offspring.

But this persistent focus on natural selection as the sole mechanism of adaptive evolution has always been a sticking point. It can’t properly explain how anything new arises. After all, natural selection is a process that eliminates unfit variants – it doesn’t create, but changes the prevalence of what’s already there. Instead, novelty must come from the purely random process of genetic mutation. The problem is that when new mutations appear, they’re usually not a good thing. They are more likely to disrupt well-adapted systems than to improve them, especially if they have a big effect. The upshot is that the evolution of something new, such as eyes or feathers, requires a heck of a long waiting time. Not only is there a long wait for a beneficial mutation to come along, but then there’s the long process of accumulating enough of them to build up, step by step, a complex new structure.

Renée A. Duckworth, “Catastrophes and calms” at Psyche

Duckworth does a good job of setting forth all the Darwinian “epicycles,” how various difficulties are papered over or ignored. But then…

There’s a remarkable similarity between patterns of dynamic stability observed in evolution on the one hand, and diverse human-engineered and natural systems on the other. This suggests that there might be universal principles for how stability is maintained – even at the level of entire species. If so, taking a systems approach to evolutionary dynamics could drastically alter how we view evolution as a process. First and foremost, it makes it clear that explaining how species stay the same is just as important as explaining how they change. It also suggests that the mechanisms underlying both might be inextricably linked.

Renée A. Duckworth, “Catastrophes and calms” at Psyche

Yes, indeed, Professor Duckworth. It’s called design. The design of life. Design is the outcome of intelligence.

She does a good job of pointing out how much of the history of life is really stasis:

The pattern of evolutionary stasis dominates the history of life on Earth. Yet, too often, we’re more focused on explaining change instead of understanding how things stay the same. The irony here is that the key to both of these problems might be the same. A better understanding of how populations remain stable – the feedbacks and feedforwards, the built-in flexibility and responsiveness of the system, the redundancies and mechanisms of resiliency – might enable us not only to better understand evolutionary stasis, but also allow us to predict how organisms change when their stable state is disrupted.

Renée A. Duckworth, “Catastrophes and calms” at Psyche

But then whatever happened to Darwin’s claim?:

It may be said that natural selection is daily and hourly scrutinizing, throughout the world, every variation, even the slightest; rejecting that which is bad, preserving and adding up all that is good; silently and insensibly working, wherever and whenever opportunity offers, at the improvement of each organic being in relation to its organic and inorganic conditions of life.

Apparently not. And ever so slowly, that fact is beginning to sink in.

See also: Stasis: Life goes on but evolution does not happen

27 Replies to “A University of Arizona prof works hard to make Darwinism coincide with the history of life

  1. 1
    Kushanto says:

    Later in the article:

    The upshot is that the evolution of something new, such as eyes or feathers, requires a heck of a long waiting time. Not only is there a long wait for a beneficial mutation to come along, but then there’s the long process of accumulating enough of them to build up, step by step, a complex new structure.

    Fortunately for the Darwinian paradigm, geological time gives evolution millions and billions of years to work with.

    The prolem is, according to the fossil record, nature simply never had that kind of time to come up with the major macroevolutionary innovations. The greatest example of this is of course the Cambrian Explosion of the basic animal body plans.

    Being a good Darwinian, the author conveniently ignores and never really addresses the basic problem – that time after time in the fossil record sudden macroevolutionary innovative jumps occur that could not possibly be explained by rm + ns. According to the fossil record, evolution simply didn’t have the hundreds of millions or billions of years the Darwinian process is supposed to take.

    This writer never really engages with this devastating problem for Darwinism. And I don’t think Gould and Eldredge ever really did with their punctuated equilibrium theory.

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    polistra says:

    There’s one more important driver in both situations. PURPOSE or intention or wishes or dreams.

    A Cambrian snap happened in technology in 1906. From 1896 to 1906, radio used spark-gap transmitters and coherer detectors. The setup was ‘irreducibly complex’. Both ends worked nicely for Morse, and both ends evolved huge numbers of variations which were selected by fitness.

    But this pair couldn’t possibly work for audio or music. Audio requires a precisely tuned steady sine wave that can be modulated by the audio, and audio requires a rectifier for detection.

    A few inventors were driven by the WISH to send audio, and finally realized that vacuum-tube transmitters and semiconductor detectors (catwhiskers) were the chicken-and-egg pair needed for audio. Suddenly spark gaps and coherers disappeared, and all the variations thereafter have been in tubes and semiconductors.

    The Cambrian explosion wouldn’t have happened without the INTENTION or dream of sending and receiving voice and music. Morse was well-established, with a large commercial and cultural structure around it after 60 years of wired telegraphy. There was no fitness-based reason to switch.

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    bornagain77 says:

    No matter how hard Professor Duckworth may work to make Darwinism coincide with the history of life, she will fail.

    The reason for her failure is because the history of life, as revealed by the fossil record itself, is the complete opposite as Darwin himself had predicted. That is to say that the fossil record reveals a ‘top-down’ pattern of appearance rather than a ‘bottom up’ pattern of appearance.

    Thus no matter how hard Professor Duckworth may try, she will simply fail to ever make any form of ‘bottom up’ Darwinian reasoning compatible with the ‘top down’ fossil record.

    The following video touches upon that ‘top down’ pattern of the fossil record

    Cambrian Explosion Ruins Darwin’s Tree of Life (2 minutes in 24 hour day) – video (2:55 minute mark)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA2LDiWeWb4

    As Dr. Wells pointed out in the preceding video, Darwin predicted that minor differences (diversity) between species would gradually appear first and then the differences would grow larger (disparity) between species as time went on. (i.e. universal common descent as depicted in Darwin’s tree of life). What Darwin predicted should be familiar to everyone and is easily represented in the following graph.,,,

    The Theory – Diversity precedes Disparity – graph
    http://www.veritas-ucsb.org/JOURNEY/IMAGES/F.gif

    But that ‘tree pattern’ that Darwin himself predicted is not what is found in the fossil record. The fossil record reveals that disparity (the greatest differences) precedes diversity (the smaller differences), which is the exact opposite pattern for what Darwin himself had predicted.

    The Actual Fossil Evidence- Disparity precedes Diversity – graph
    http://www.veritas-ucsb.org/JOURNEY/IMAGES/G.gif

    As Erwin stated, “The fossil record suggests that the major pulse of diversification of phyla occurs before that of classes, classes before that of orders, orders before that of families. The higher taxa do not seem to have diverged through an accumulation of lower taxa.”

    Jerry Coyne’s Chapter on the Fossil Record Fails to Show “Why Evolution is True” – Jonathan M. – December 4, 2012
    Excerpt: Taxonomists classify organisms into categories: species are the very lowest taxonomic category. Species are classified into different genera. Genera are classified into different families. Families are classified into different orders. Orders are classified into different classes. And classes are classified into different phyla. Phyla are among the very highest taxonomic categories (only kingdom and domain are higher), and correspond to the high level of morphological disparity that exists between different animal body plans. Phyla include such groupings as chordates, arthropods, mollusks, and echinoderms.
    Darwin’s theory would predict a cone of diversity whereby the major body-plan differences (morphological disparity) would only appear in the fossil record following numerous lower-level speciation events. What is interesting about the fossil record is that it shows the appearance of the higher taxonomic categories first (virtually all of the major skeletonized phyla appear in the Cambrian, with no obvious fossil transitional precursors, within a relatively small span of geological time). As Roger Lewin (1988) explains in Science,
    “Several possible patterns exist for the establishment of higher taxa, the two most obvious of which are the bottom-up and the top-down approaches. In the first, evolutionary novelties emerge, bit by bit. The Cambrian explosion appears to conform to the second pattern, the top-down effect.”
    Erwin et al. (1987), in their study of marine invertebrates, similarly conclude that,
    “The fossil record suggests that the major pulse of diversification of phyla occurs before that of classes, classes before that of orders, orders before that of families. The higher taxa do not seem to have diverged through an accumulation of lower taxa.”
    Indeed, the existence of numerous small and soft-bodied animals in the Precambrian strata undermines one of the most popular responses that these missing transitions can be accounted for by them being too small and too-soft bodied to be preserved.
    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....67021.html

    Erwin and Valentine’s The Cambrian Explosion Affirms Major Points in Darwin’s Doubt: The Cambrian Enigma Is “Unresolved” – June 26, 2013
    Excerpt: “In other words, the morphological distances — gaps — between body plans of crown phyla were present when body fossils first appeared during the explosion and have been with us ever since. The morphological disparity is so great between most phyla that the homologous reference points or landmarks required for quantitative studies of morphology are absent.”
    Erwin and Valentine (p. 340)
    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....73671.html

    And as Valentine stated,

    “Darwin had a lot of trouble with the fossil record because if you look at the record of phyla in the rocks as fossils why when they first appear we already see them all. The phyla are fully formed. It’s as if the phyla were created first and they were modified into classes and we see that the number of classes peak later than the number of phyla and the number of orders peak later than that. So it’s kind of a top down succession, you start with this basic body plans, the phyla, and you diversify them into classes, the major sub-divisions of the phyla, and these into orders and so on. So the fossil record is kind of backwards from what you would expect from in that sense from what you would expect from Darwin’s ideas.”
    James W. Valentine – as quoted from “On the Origin of Phyla: Interviews with James W. Valentine” – (as stated at 1:16:36 mark of video)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtdFJXfvlm8

    And as Goldschmidt and Lewin remarked

    “The facts of greatest general importance are the following. When a new phylum, class, or order appears, there follows a quick, explosive (in terms of geological time) diversification so that practically all orders or families known appear suddenly and without any apparent transitions. Afterwards, a slow evolution follows; this frequently has the appearance of a gradual change, step by step, though down to the generic level abrupt major steps without transitions occur. At the end of such a series, a kind of evolutionary running-wild frequently is observed. Giant forms appear, and odd or pathological types of different kinds precede the extinction of such a line.”
    Richard B. Goldschmidt, “Evolution, as Viewed by One Geneticist,” American Scientist 40 (January 1952), 97.

    As Roger Lewin (1988) explains in Science,
    “Several possible patterns exist for the establishment of higher taxa, the two most obvious of which are the bottom-up and the top-down approaches. In the first, evolutionary novelties emerge, bit by bit. The Cambrian explosion appears to conform to the second pattern, the top-down effect.”

    And as Chen stated,

    Challenging Fossil of a Little Fish
    Excerpt: “In Chen’s view, his evidence supports a history of life that runs opposite to the standard evolutionary tree diagrams, a progression he calls top-down evolution.”
    Jun-Yuan Chen is professor at the Nanjing Institute of Paleontology and Geology
    http://www.fredheeren.com/boston.htm

    Moreover, as Stephen Meyer pointed out, there are ‘yawning chasms’ in the ‘morphological space’ between the phyla which suddenly appeared in the Cambrian Explosion,,,

    “Over the past 150 years or so, paleontologists have found many representatives of the phyla that were well-known in Darwin’s time (by analogy, the equivalent of the three primary colors) and a few completely new forms altogether (by analogy, some other distinct colors such as green and orange, perhaps). And, of course, within these phyla, there is a great deal of variety. Nevertheless, the analogy holds at least insofar as the differences in form between any member of one phylum and any member of another phylum are vast, and paleontologists have utterly failed to find forms that would fill these yawning chasms in what biotechnologists call “morphological space.” In other words, they have failed to find the paleolontogical equivalent of the numerous finely graded intermediate colors (Oedleton blue, dusty rose, gun barrel gray, magenta, etc.) that interior designers covet. Instead, extensive sampling of the fossil record has confirmed a strikingly discontinuous pattern in which representatives of the major phyla stand in stark isolation from members of other phyla, without intermediate forms filling the intervening morphological space.”
    Stephen Meyer – Darwin’s Doubt (p. 70)

    Moreover, this top down pattern in the fossil record, which is the complete opposite pattern that Darwin himself predicted for the fossil record, is not only found in the Cambrian Explosion, but this ‘top down’, disparity preceding diversity, pattern is found throughout the fossil record subsequent to the Cambrian explosion as well.

    Scientific study turns understanding about evolution on its head – July 30, 2013
    Excerpt: evolutionary biologists,,, looked at nearly one hundred fossil groups to test the notion that it takes groups of animals many millions of years to reach their maximum diversity of form.
    Contrary to popular belief, not all animal groups continued to evolve fundamentally new morphologies through time. The majority actually achieved their greatest diversity of form (disparity) relatively early in their histories.
    ,,,Dr Matthew Wills said: “This pattern, known as ‘early high disparity’, turns the traditional V-shaped cone model of evolution on its head. What is equally surprising in our findings is that groups of animals are likely to show early-high disparity regardless of when they originated over the last half a billion years. This isn’t a phenomenon particularly associated with the first radiation of animals (in the Cambrian Explosion), or periods in the immediate wake of mass extinctions.”,,,
    Author Martin Hughes, continued: “Our work implies that there must be constraints on the range of forms within animal groups, and that these limits are often hit relatively early on.
    Co-author Dr Sylvain Gerber, added: “A key question now is what prevents groups from generating fundamentally new forms later on in their evolution.,,,
    http://phys.org/news/2013-07-s.....ution.html

    Thus, Darwin’s theory is falsified as being the correct theory as to explaining what order the fossils should appear. In fact, Darwin’s ‘bottom up’ theory gets the order of appearance of the fossils completely backwards from what it actually is, i.e. ‘Top Down’!

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    bornagain77 says:

    Of supplemental note to “Top Down’ vs. ‘Bottom Up’ causation. As George Ellis points out, “Top Down” causation is the sole province of the immaterial mind infusing immaterial information into material substrates, As Ellis stated in the last sentence of the following article, “The mind is not a physical entity, but it certainly is causally effective: proof is the existence of the computer on which you are reading this text. It could not exist if it had not been designed and manufactured according to someone’s plans, thereby proving the causal efficacy of thoughts, which like computer programs and data are not physical entities.”

    Recognising Top-Down Causation – George Ellis
    Excerpt: Causation: The nature of causation is highly contested territory, and I will take a pragmatic view:?Definition 1: Causal Effect If making a change in a quantity X results in a reliable demonstrable change in a quantity Y in a given context, then X has a causal effect on Y.?Example: I press the key labelled “A” on my computer keyboard; the letter “A” appears on my computer screen.,,,?Definition 2: Existence If Y is a physical entity made up of ordinary matter, and X is some kind of entity that has a demonstrable causal effect on Y as per Definition 1, then we must acknowledge that X also exists (even if it is not made up of such matter).?This is clearly a sensible and testable criterion; in the example above, it leads to the conclusion that both the data and the relevant software exist. If we do not adopt this definition, we will have instances of uncaused changes in the world; I presume we wish to avoid that situation.,,,
    ,,,However there are many topics that one cannot understand by assuming this one-way flow of causation. The flourishing subject of social neuroscience makes clear how social influences act down on individual brain structure[2]; studies in physiology demonstrate that downward causation is necessary in understanding the heart, where this form of causation can be represented as the influences of initial and boundary conditions on the solutions of the differential equations used to represent the lower level processes[3]; epigenetic studies demonstrate that biological development is crucially shaped by the environment[4]
    What about physics? In this essay I will make the case that top-down causation is also prevalent in physics, even though this is not often recognised as such. This does not occur by violating physical laws; on the contrary, it occurs through the laws of physics, by setting constraints on lower level interactions.
    Excerpt: page 5: A:
    Causal Efficacy of Non Physical entities:
    Both the program and the data are non-physical entities, indeed so is all software. A program is not a physical thing you can point to, but by Definition 2 it certainly exists. You can point to a CD or flashdrive where it is stored, but that is not the thing in itself: it is a medium in which it is stored.
    The program itself is an abstract entity, shaped by abstract logic. Is the software “nothing but” its realisation through a specific set of stored electronic states in the computer memory banks? No it is not because it is the precise pattern in those states that matters: a higher level relation that is not apparent at the scale of the electrons themselves. It’s a relational thing (and if you get the relations between the symbols wrong, so you have a syntax error, it will all come to a grinding halt). This abstract nature of software is realised in the concept of virtual machines, which occur at every level in the computer hierarchy except the bottom one [17]. But this tower of virtual machines causes physical effects in the real world, for example when a computer controls a robot in an assembly line to create physical artefacts.
    Excerpt page 7: The assumption that causation is bottom up only is wrong in biology, in computers, and even in many cases in physics, for example state vector preparation, where top-down constraints allow non-unitary behaviour at the lower levels. It may well play a key role in the quantum measurement problem (the dual of state vector preparation) [5]. One can bear in mind here that wherever equivalence classes of entities play a key role, such as in Crutchfield’s computational mechanics [29], this is an indication that top-down causation is at play.,,,
    Life and the brain: living systems are highly structured modular hierarchical systems, and there are many similarities to the digital computer case, even though they are not digital computers. The lower level interactions are constrained by network connections, thereby creating possibilities of truly complex behaviour. Top-down causation is prevalent at all levels in the brain: for example it is crucial to vision [24,25] as well as the relation of the individual brain to society [2]. The hardware (the brain) can do nothing without the excitations that animate it: indeed this is the difference between life and death. The mind is not a physical entity, but it certainly is causally effective: proof is the existence of the computer on which you are reading this text. It could not exist if it had not been designed and manufactured according to someone’s plans, thereby proving the causal efficacy of thoughts, which like computer programs and data are not physical entities.
    http://fqxi.org/data/essay-con.....s_2012.pdf ?

    Here is further comment on Ellis’s article,

    How Does The World Work: Top-Down or Bottom-Up? – September 29, 2013
    Excerpt: To get an handle on how top-down causation works, Ellis focuses on what’s in front of all us so much of the time: the computer. Computers are structured systems. They are built as a hierarchy of layers, extending from the wires in the transistors all the way up to the fully assembled machine, gleaming metal case and all.
    Because of this layering, what happens at the uppermost levels — like you hitting the escape key — flows downward. This action determines the behavior of the lowest levels — like the flow of electrons through the wires — in ways that simply could not be predicted by just knowing the laws of electrons. As Ellis puts it:
    “Structured systems such as a computer constrain lower level interactions, and thereby paradoxically create new possibilities of complex behavior.”
    Ellis likes to emphasize how the hierarchy of structure — from fully assembled machine through logic gates, down to transistors — changes everything for the lowly electrons. In particular, it “breaks the symmetry” of their possible behavior since their movements in the computer hardware are very different from what would occur if they were just floating around in a plasma blob in space.
    But the hardware, of course, is just one piece of the puzzle. This is where things get interesting. As Ellis explains:
    “Hardware is only causally effective because of the software which animates it: by itself hardware can do nothing. Both hardware and software are hierarchically structured with the higher level logic driving the lower level events.”
    In other words, it’s software at the top level of structure that determines how the electrons at the bottom level flow. Hitting escape while running Word moves the electrons in the wires in different ways than hitting escape does when running Photoshop. This is causation flowing from top to bottom.
    For Ellis, anything producing causes is real in the most basic sense of the word. Thus the software, which is not physical like the electrons, is just as real as those electrons. As Ellis puts it:
    “Hence, although they are the ultimate in algorithmic causation as characterized so precisely by Turing, digital computers embody and demonstrate the causal efficacy of non-physical entities. The physics allows this; it does not control what takes place. Computers exemplify the emergence of new kinds of causation out of the underlying physics, not implied by physics but rather by the logic of higher-level possibilities. … A combination of bottom-up causation and contextual affects (top-down influences) enables their complex functioning.”
    The consequences of this perspective for our view of the mind are straightforward and radical:
    “The mind is not a physical entity, but it certainly is causally effective: proof is the existence of the computer on which you are reading this text. It could not exist if it had not been designed and manufactured according to someone’s plans, thereby proving the causal efficacy of thoughts, which like computer programs and data are not physical entities.”
    http://www.npr.org/sections/13.....-bottom-up

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    sherlock says:

    Off-topic: Once someone posted a great comment about number of deaths worldwide caused by atheists under communism, holocaust, etc. Do you recall that comment?

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    polistra says:

    Speaking of 1906, here’s a remarkably open and objective discussion of evolution in Popular Science mag, written by a scientist working for the US Dept of Agriculture.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=EtDUAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA445#v=onepage&q&f=false

    He says straightforwardly that evolution can account for variation in species, but can’t create new species.

    Could any paid scientist say such a thing now?

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    bornagain77 says:

    Sherlock at 5, I don’t know off hand who made the comment, (there have been many good comments on the subject), but here are the references that I use,

    The unmitigated horror visited upon man, by state sponsored atheism, would be hard to exaggerate,,, Here’s what happens when Atheists/evolutionists/non-Christians take control of Government:

    “169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]
    I BACKGROUND
    2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
    3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide
    II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
    4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
    5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
    6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
    7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
    III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
    8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan’s Savage Military
    9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
    10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey’s Genocidal Purges
    11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
    12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland’s Ethnic Cleansing
    13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
    14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito’s Slaughterhouse
    IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
    15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
    16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
    17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia”
    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

    Chairman MAO: Genocide Master (Black Book of Communism)
    “…Many scholars and commentators have referenced my total of 174,000,000 for the democide (genocide and mass murder) of the last century. I’m now trying to get word out that I’ve had to make a major revision in my total due to two books. I’m now convinced that Stalin exceeded Hitler in monstrous evil, and Mao beat out Stalin….”
    http://wadias.in/site/arzan/bl.....de-master/

    Moreover, all of these totalitarian atheistic hell holes are found to be based, more or less, on Darwinian ideology:

    Hitler, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao – quotes – Foundational Darwinian influence in their ideology
    July 2020
    https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/michael-egnor-on-the-relationship-between-darwinism-and-totalitarianism/#comment-707831

    Moreover, that number does not even take into account all the abortions

    Was Abortion the ‘Leading Cause of Death’ in 2018?
    BETHANIA PALMA – 3 JANUARY 2019
    Excerpt: If WHO’s estimate of 56 million abortions annually held steady through 2016, when they released their survey on the top ten leading causes of death globally, it would be true that the number of abortions worldwide outnumbered overall deaths from heart disease and stroke, the top two causes of death that year. In 2016, ischemic heart disease and stroke killed a total of 15.2 million people worldwide, according to WHO, noting that “These diseases have remained the leading causes of death globally in the last 15 years”:
    https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/01/03/abortion-leading-cause-of-death/

    Abortion Has Killed 1-2 Billion Worldwide in 50 Years – April 21, 2013
    http://www.lifenews.com/2011/0.....-50-years/

    At 1,200,000, Abortion is the leading cause of deaths each year in the USA – graph
    http://skepchick.org/wp-conten.....704889.jpg

    footnote: the body count for abortion is now over 50 million in America since it was legalized, by judicial fiat, not by public decree, in 1973 (i.e. legislation by liberal justices from the bench!):

    Abortion Statistics
    http://www.voiceofrevolution.c.....tatistics/

    Of related note, Muslims have given atheists a run for their money.Although it took centuries instead of decades, Muslims have exceeded atheists in deaths by murder –

    Tears of Jihad – Mar 3 2008 | by Bill Warner
    Excerpt:,,,120 million Africans,,,
    ,,,60 million Christians,,,
    ,,,80 million Hindus,,,
    ,,,10 million Buddhists,,,
    This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad (since Islam was founded).
    https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/

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    Querius says:

    Professor Duckworth should be commended for observing the glaring issues with Darwinian evolution. For rapid adaptability, she only needs to consider the single-generation changes to the beaks of Darwin’s finches and the role of epigenetics together with environmental pressure such as a reduction in food supply.

    As to body plans and the Cambrian explosion, here’s how a Canadian source on the Burgess Shale puts it:

    The “Cambrian Explosion” refers to the sudden appearance in the fossil record of complex animals with mineralized skeletal remains. It may represent the most important evolutionary event in the history of life on Earth.

    Ahhh. The most important evolutionary event! This explains it all. And here’s how the 16 February 2016 issue of Nature puts it:

    What sparked the Cambrian explosion?
    An evolutionary burst 540 million years ago filled the seas with an astonishing diversity of animals. The trigger behind that revolution is finally coming into focus.

    An evolutionary burst! Yes, of course! Isn’t science wonderful? And the article continues to wax eloquent with the following:

    Some scientists now think that a small, perhaps temporary, increase in oxygen suddenly crossed an ecological threshold, enabling the emergence of predators. The rise of carnivory would have set off an evolutionary arms race that led to the burst of complex body types and behaviours that fill the oceans today. “This is the most significant event in Earth evolution,” says Guy Narbonne, a palaeobiologist at Queen’s University in Kingston, Canada.

    Oh, wow! A small increase in oxygen is all that it took for a burst of complex body types! Brilliant! Perhaps an experiment demonstrating how this actually would work might be of casual interest here?

    Oops, I forgot. This is evolutionary biology, which is a branch of philosophy. :-/

    -Q

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    Querius says:

    Bornagain77 @7,

    These are stunning figures. I believe the total for Communist China is much higher when including live organ harvesting of minorities, dissidents, and religious groups, not to mention forced abortions.

    Regarding abortion in the U.S. as a form of voluntary genocide, it has reduced the African American population in the U.S. by about 20-25 million people since 1973. According to the CDC, abortion among African-American women is about five times the rate compared to white women.

    Makes you wonder.

    -Q

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    Truthfreedom says:

    Querius,

    Oops, I forgot. This is evolutionary biology, which is a branch of philosophy. :-/

    Lol! Atheists/ evos are appalling philosophers.

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    Fasteddious says:

    Here’s a new “theory” to rescue Darwinism from those anti-science types:
    As the article in this post says, random mutations generate new features and functions over time by accumulating in the genome. To make this work, I posit the existence of “Darwin’s demons” (similar to Maxwell’s) that hide in living beings, constantly monitoring the mutations that come along. When they see one that, in their Darwinian view is good, they latch onto it in one of those “junk DNA” strings we all know about. Waiting for the next fortuitous mutation, they add it on. After millions of years collecting good mutations, voila, a new enzyme or protein (or group of proteins) making for a new function and feature. New genetic info? No problem for our clever demons. The demons are, of course, passed down from generation to generation during reproduction, with their knowledge of what makes for a good mutation, and their memory of what has already been collected intact.
    OK, can I now apply for a nice grant to expand on and look for Darwinian support for my new theory? Aren’t those demons cute?

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    mike1962 says:

    then there’s the long process of accumulating enough of them to build up, step by step, a complex new structure.

    I always chuckle when I read things like this. Forget about all the examples of why this is implausible. I’ll spot all the other stuff. I’ll spot all the problems described in Denton’s and Behe’s and Meyers’s books. I’d like a blow-by-blow explanation of all the steps it took to go from something like a chimp brain to a human brain. The physics of the two brains are nearly identical. I’ll spot that too. It’s the programming that I’m interested in. The “wiring” differences, as it were, that simply must (in materialistic terms) account for the radical differences in function. Nobody knows what programming is needed to account for the differences, let alone how it could have come to be. Except for OOL, all the rest of it is quite boring by comparison.

  13. 13
    Querius says:

    Fasteddious @11,
    Haha! Love the “To make this work, I posit the existence of “Darwin’s demons” (similar to Maxwell’s) that hide in living beings, constantly monitoring the mutations that come along.”

    Mike1962 @12,
    Good point! Of course, I’ve read the hyperventilating descriptions about tool making chimps, possibly sharpened sticks and fractured rocks . . . but then there are the corvids that seem to have remarkable intelligence in smaller brains! Here’s something interesting:

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xyw99k/the-unexpected-genius-of-corvids

    -Q

  14. 14
    Seversky says:

    BA77, thank you for the much posted list of atrocities laid at the doorstep of atheists. In the interests of balance, however, let me provide once again a list of occasions when God or his followers saw fit to ignore their own Sixth and other Commandments.

    Biblical events

    GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah’s family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.

    GE 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot’s wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).

    EX 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside.

    EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

    EX 17:13 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.

    EX 21:20-21 With the Lord’s approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn’t die too quickly.

    EX 32:27-29 With the Lord’s approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.

    NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at the Lord’s command.

    NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their households (including wives and children) because the men had been rebellious.

    NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.

    NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.

    NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites.

    NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.

    NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women and children.

    NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord’s command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and “… every woman who has known man ….”

    NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.

    DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Sihon.

    DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Og.

    DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to “utterly destroy” and show “no mercy” to those whom he gives them for defeat.

    DT 20:13-14 “When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males …. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.”

    DT 20:16 “In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.”

    DT 21:10-13 With the Lord’s approval, the Israelites are allowed to take “beautiful women” from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has “no delight” in his wife, he can simply let her go.

    JS 6:21-27 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua destroys the city of Jericho–men, women, and children–with the edge of the sword.

    JS 8:22-25 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men and women, so that there were none who escaped.

    JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua utterly destroys the Gibeonites.

    JS 10:28 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Makkedah.

    JS 10:30 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Libnahites.

    JS 10:32-33 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Lachish.

    JS 10:34-35 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Eglonites.

    JS 10:36-37 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Hebronites.

    JS 10:38-39 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Debirites.

    JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) “So Joshua defeated the whole land …; he left none remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded.”

    JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.

    JG 1:4 With the Lord’s support, Judah defeats 10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.

    JG 1:17 With the Lord’s approval, Judah and Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who inhabited Zephath.

    JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.

    JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man’s house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest’s concubine (or wife): “Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing.” The man’s concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

    JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ “men of valor” from amongst the Benjamites, “men and beasts and all that they found,” and set their towns on fire.

    1SA 11:11 With the Lord’s blessing, Saul and his men cut down the Ammonites.

    1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the Philistines.

    1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.

    1SA 15:3, 7-8 “This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass ….’ And Saul … utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.”

    2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the valley of salt and made the rest slaves.

    2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
    he Lord said that it would be alright to eat and drink there.

    1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000 remaining Syrians.

    2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes fifty men.

    2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.
    2KI 14:5, 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites.

    2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the “high places.”

    2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant.

    2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.

    Ancient Pagans

    As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.

    Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain. Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis. Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as “temple destroyer.”

    Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. According to Christian chroniclers he “followed meticulously all Christian teachings…”

    In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.

    First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II.

    Semlin (Hungary) 1096 thousands slain.

    Wieselburg (Hungary) 1096 thousands SLAIN

    Up to Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown)

    Jun 1098 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain.

    Jun 1098 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. Here the Christians “did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy’s] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies,” according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres.

    Jerusalem conquered Jul 1099, more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: “It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished.”

    Battle of Askalon, Aug 1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered “in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ”.

    Total killed during Crusades estimated 1,000,000 – 9,000,000 (bear in mind world’s population much smaller then)

    Heretics

    Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier (Germany)

    Manichaean heresy

    A Christian sect was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims.

    Albigensians

    The Albigensians viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. On command of pope Innocent III (arguably greatest single pre-Nazi mass murderer)in 1209, Bezirs (France) destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims estimated 20,000-70,000.
    Carcassonne thousands slain. Other cities followed.

    Cathar heresy

    Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone)

    Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, estimated 100,000 victims

    Religious Wars

    15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain.

    1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain.

    1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee.

    17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. “In a single church fifty women were found beheaded,” reported poet Friedrich Schiller, “and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers.”

    17th century Thirty Years war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany.

    Jews

    Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.

    Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized.

    The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities’ Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed.

    First Crusade

    1096, Estimated 12,000 Jews slaughtered in various towns in what is now Germany

    Second Crusade

    1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (France).

    Third Crusade

    English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90.

    1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated.

    1290 in Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed.

    1337 Starting in Deggendorf (Germany) a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland.

    1348 All Jews of Basel (Switzerland) and Strasbourg (France) 2,000 burned.

    1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians)

    1389 In Prague 3,000 Jews were slaughtered.

    1391 Seville’s (Spain) Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored “badges of shame” that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.

    1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way

    1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.

    Given this history, I seriously doubt the Nazis needed Darwin’s theory as anything other than a scientific figleaf to cover their deeply-ingrained anti-Semitism.

    We could go on to look at the depredations of the Christian colonists in the Americas but I think the point is made.

  15. 15
    Truthfreedom says:

    @Seversky
    Richard Dawkins(a k.a. “one darwinian clown”, thank you Martin_r! https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/lawrence-krauss-and-richard-dawkins-on-free-will/) and The God of The Old Testament

    “Yet now another, more amusing problem arises for Dawkins as the champion of Darwinism today. It would seem that a good many of the complaints made by Dawkins against the God of the Old Testament could with equal justice be made against natural selection itself. To say the least, that puts himself in a paradoxical position”.

    https://strangenotions.com/richard-dawkins-and-the-god-of-the-old-testament/
    Do you love paradoxes, Seversky?

  16. 16
    Truthfreedom says:

    ___

    Atheists Epicurean Philosophers supported slavery, woman abuse, incest, greed, egoistical thought, woman inequality (in the sense that they exist only to produce babies), gluttony (we have a passage that Epicurus eats the food of his disciplines and vomits) worship of the head of the State and when they met Christians Apologetics they mocked them because they thought that showing mercy to the poor or the ill goes against Nature because Nature is merciless and only the strong survives!

    Atheists stole their morality and Humanism from Christianity, in the 17th century the Masons recreated the Atheistic Thought (Free Thought) as the only logical thought the man must have without mentioning that even they were influenced by Christianity.

    The funny thing about Atheists is that they criticize the Old Testament with Christian Morality when the authentic Atheistic Morality (Epicureanism) would agree with such an Evil God! LOL!

    Arxarxos, comment #6.
    https://strangenotions.com/richard-dawkins-and-the-god-of-the-old-testament/

    Hypocrisy is thy name.

  17. 17
    bornagain77 says:

    Seversky at 14 states,

    let me provide once again a list of occasions when God or his followers saw fit to ignore their own Sixth and other Commandments.

    The sixth commandment reads as such

    “You shall not murder”
    – Exodus 20:13

    And yet Seversky purposely, and repeatedly conflates Man’s acts of murder with God’s capital punishment on man’s evil deeds (although Seversky has been corrected on this many times,,

    It is important that we understand that this commandment refers to murder, not to all killing. Many of us probably have heard or memorized this statute as “Thou shalt not kill,” which is an acceptable translation. However, the term kill in English does not actually capture the full nuance of the Hebrew term, which is more akin to the specific act of unlawful killing, also known as murder. This command must refer to unlawful killing because there are, in fact, several occasions in Scripture where God orders His people to take the lives of others. Moreover, in certain cases killing is not only allowed, it is mandated.
    Perhaps the best example of this is capital punishment. Early on in His dealings with mankind, the Lord revealed that those who shed innocent blood must themselves be put to death at the hands of the rightful authorities (Gen. 9:5–6). Our Creator puts such a high value on human life that those who take it unjustly forfeit their own right to live. By this statute, God tells us that respect for life, especially that of our neighbor, is to animate every ethical decision that we make. Other crimes may be punished less severely, but, at least in principle, the premeditated murder of another human being must always be repaid in kind with the execution of the murderer (Num. 35:9–34). Under the new covenant, the right to administer capital punishment is given to the state, not the church (Rom. 13:1–7).
    https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/sixth-commandment/

    For instance of man’s evil during Noah’s day, the following scripture is the God’s justification for destroying mankind during the days of Noah,

    Genesis 6:5
    The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    Seversky goes on to list the Canaanites.and others who the Israelites were commanded to conquer and kill.

    Deuteronomy 7:1-2 –
    When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you go to possess it, and casts out many nations before you, the Hittite, the Girgashite, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than you; and when the LORD your God delivers them up before you, and you strike them; then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them, nor show mercy to them;

    And yet,, as with the people during the days of Noah, God judged and destroyed those nations because they were evil,

    “It is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God is driving them out before you…” (Deut. 9:5).

    “Do not defile yourselves by any of these things, for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled” (Lev. 18:24-25).

    “When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations…because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you” (Deut. 18:9, 12).

    Then Seversky goes on to list several examples of supposed ‘Christians’ murdering people.

    And although I dispute that many of the killings listed by Seversky are completely unjustified, (for instance the Crusades which came only after the Muslims relentless attack on Christians for centuries), none-the-less I do concede to Seversky that some major attrocities that were done in the name of Christianity were unjustified.

    But, in defense of Christianity, I point out that these murders were done in direct contradiction to the teachings of Christ. Whereas with Atheists, (and with Muslims), the murders laid at their feet are consistent with each their worldviews. For instance, exactly where does one derive ‘thou shall not murder’ from Darwin’s morality of ‘survival of the fittest’? It can’t be done. As Jordan Peterson stated, “Why the hell not every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost? It’s a perfectly coherent philosophy and it’s actually one that you can institute in the world with a fair bit of material success if you want to do it.”

    “This is why I have such frustration say with people like Sam Harris, the sort of radical atheists, because they seem to think that once human beings abandon their grounding in the transcendent that the plausible way forward is with a kind of purist rationality that automatically attributes to other people equivalent value. I just don’t understand that.
    What the hell is irrational about me getting exactly what I want from every one of you whenever I want it at every possible second? Why is that irrational and how possibly is that more irrational than us cooperating so we can both have a good time of it. I don’t understand that.
    I mean they talk as if the the psychopathic tendency is irrational. There’s nothing irrational about it. It’s pure naked self-interest. How is that irrational. Why the hell not every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost? It’s a perfectly coherent philosophy and it’s actually one that you can institute in the world with a fair bit of material success if you want to do it.
    To me I think that that the universe that people like Dawkins and Harris inhabit is so intensely conditioned by mythological presuppositions that they take for granted the ethic that emerges out of that as if it’s just a rational given. And this of course was precisely Nietzsche’s observation as well as Dostoyevsky’s observation.
    I’m not arguing for the existence of God. I’m arguing that the ethic that drives our culture is predicated on the idea of God and that you can’t just take that idea away and expect the thing to remain intact midair without any foundational support.”
    – Jordan Peterson
    https://medium.com/perspectiva-institute/the-man-for-the-times-of-chaos-jordan-peterson-2df43c24672f

    Thus, when the atheist murders he is acting in complete accord with his Darwinian worldview, whereas when the Christian murders he is acting in direct contradiction to the teachings of Christ.

    For instance, Christ himself, rather than call down 12 legions of angels to slay his enemies submitted himself instead to death on a Cross by the hands of his enemies:

    Matthew 26:52-53
    “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him. “For all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Are you not aware that I can call on My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

    Moreover, Christ himself commanded his followers to not return evil for evil but to return good for evil:

    Matthew 5:38-40
    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

    In fact, Jesus instead of commanding his followers to kill those who did not believe, (as Mohammad told his followers to do), instead told his followers to endure persecution.

    John 15:20
    Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

    In fact, all the disciples, save for John, suffered a martyrs death.

    Did the Apostles Really Die as Martyrs for their Faith? By Sean McDowell
    http://magazine.biola.edu/arti.....r-their-f/

    In fact, the real risk of becoming a martyr has basically been a staple of someone daring to become a Christian throughout much of Christian history:

    The New Encyclopedia of Christian Martyrs – September 1, 2001
    https://www.amazon.com/New-Encyclopedia-Christian-Martyrs/dp/0801012252

    Modern Atheists, starting with the French revolution, to Communist Russia to present day China have been particularly brutal and murderous of professing Christians. The murderous brutality of present day Muslims against Christians in the middle east hardly needs to be mentioned since they often behead their Christian victims on TV for the whole world to see.

    In fact, Christians easily qualify as the most persecuted people in the world today:

    Persecuted: The Global Assault on Christians
    http://www.amazon.com/Persecut.....1400204410

    Knowing our world: The three major reasons for persecution of Christians worldwide – Denyse O’Leary
    Excerpt: The world-wide picture is sobering. Pew Research Center, Newsweek, and The Economist all agree that Christians are the world’s most widely persecuted group.
    Marshall and team offer information about three quite different reasons for persecution by different types of regimes (pp. 9–11):
    First, there is post-Communist persecution, following the collapse of Communism in the late 1980s, where the regimes
    ” … have since retreated to an onerous policy of registration, supervision, and control. Those who will not be controlled are sent to prison or labor camps, or simply held, abused, and sometimes tortured.”
    The most intense persecutor is the still Communist (not post-Communist) regime, North Korea (pp. 9–10). There, “Christians are executed or sent to prison camps for lengthy terms for such crimes as the mere possession of a Bible.”
    Second, in some countries, “Hindu or Buddhist religious movements equate their religion with the nature and meaning of their country itself.” They persecute minority tribes as well as religions (pp. 10–11). These countries include Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Bhutan.
    Third, of course the Muslim world where
    “Even though the remaining Communist countries persecute the most Christians, it is in the Muslim world where persecution of Christians is now most widespread, intense, and, ominously, increasing. Extremist Muslims are expanding their presence and sometimes exporting their repression of all other faiths. … Even ancient churches, such as the two-thousand-year-old Chaldean and Assyrian churches of Iraq and the Coptic churches of Egypt, are under intense threat at this time. (p. 11).”
    http://www.thebestschools.org/.....worldwide/

    And even if you add up all the murderous atrocities that were listed by Seversky, (that were committed by those who falsely claimed that they were following the teachings of Christ), the number of murders is still only a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of millions of murders committed by those who followed the morality enshrined in Darwin’s maxim ‘survival of the fittest’, (as well as all those hundreds of millions murdered by those following the murderous teachings of Mohammad):

    Thus in conclusion, for Seversky to cherry pick atrocities throughout Christian history that were done by people in direct contradiction to the teachings of Christ, is to be severely biased against Christianity and is to blatantly ignore the true ‘persecuted’ history of Christianity. In fact, Christianity, and Christianity alone, far from being a extremely murderous religion as Atheism and Islam are, has instead been the foundation from which the world has been blessed time and time again,,,

    21 Positive Contributions Christianity Has Made Through the Centuries By D. James Kennedy (excerpted from “What if Jesus Had Never Been Born?”)
    (1) Hospitals, which essentially began during the Middle Ages.
    (2) Universities, which also began during the Middle Ages. In addition, most of the world’s greatest universities were started for Christian purposes.
    (3) Literacy and education for the masses.
    (4) Capitalism and free enterprise.
    (5) Representative government, particularly as it has been seen in the American experiment.
    (6) The separation of political powers.
    (7) Civil liberties.
    (8) The abolition of slavery, both in antiquity and in more modern times.
    (9) Modern science.
    (10) The discovery of the New World by Columbus.
    (11) The elevation of women.
    (12) Benevolence and charity; the good Samaritan ethic.
    (13) Higher standards of justice.
    (14) The elevation of common man.
    (15) The condemnation of adultery, homosexuality, and other sexual perversions. This has helped to preserve the human race, and it has spared many from heartache.
    (16) High regard for human life.
    (17) The civilizing of many barbarian and primitive cultures.
    (18) The codifying and setting to writing of many of the world’s languages.
    (19) Greater development of art and music. The inspiration for the greatest works of art.
    (20) The countless changed lives transformed from liabilities into assets to society because of the gospel.
    (21) The eternal salvation of countless souls.
    https://verticallivingministries.com/tag/benefits-of-christianity-to-society/

    From ‘Evidence for Christianity’, Josh McDowell, in giving examples of the influence of Jesus Christ, also cites many examples of Christianity’s positive influence on the world. Here are just a few:
    1. Hospitals
    2. Universities
    3. Literacy and education for the masses
    4. Representative government
    5. Separation of political powers
    6. Civil liberties
    7. Abolition of slavery
    8. Modern science
    9. The elevation of the common man
    10. High regard for human life

    Verse and Video:

    John 1:29
    The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

    Turin Shroud Hologram Reveals The Words “The Lamb”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tmka1l8GAQ

  18. 18
    Kushanto says:

    Querius @8
    “Oops, I forgot. This is evolutionary biology, which is a branch of philosophy. :-/”

    You did forget – the field is really a branch of creative writing (fiction) in the humanities. The specialty is ingenious “just so” stories. Science? Forget about it.

  19. 19
    Querius says:

    Kushanto,
    Actually, I was trying to be generous with regard to my attributing groundless Darwinistic speculation to “philosophy.”

    But you’re probably right.

    It all reflects our profound disappointment with the lack of “following the data,” clearly separating speculation from rigorous investigation, and clinging to an obsolete 19th century theory rather than honestly pursuing a modern understanding biological adaptation.

    Instead, we’re told that “the science is settled” while providing “just so stories” about what “musta” happened while denying all serious challenges, research, and papers in non-approved directions.

    -Q

  20. 20
    AaronS1978 says:

    Seversky
    You did a lot of hard work making that big ass list of yours, now you can add all of it together and I’ll simply name off one super atheist Joseph Stalin and all of what you mentioned doesn’t matter

    I’m sorry but atheists just seem more talented at killing massive amounts of people then them stupid Christians or God combined
    I guess atheists are just smarter about it

    I mean you can blame God for the black plague and then you actually have a real fight for how cruel God might be in comparison to atheists, oh wait nope you can’t use that, god doesn’t exist so you just gotta stick with the Bible and them Christians

    But then I’ll add Mao to the mix
    And a dash of Hitler, only a Dash though because nobody can truly confirm if he was fully atheistic or actually believed anything, but I can definitely say he completely backed Darwinian evolution, super race, eugenics and all

    And we will top it all off with a little Lennon And the Bolshevik Revolution

    I’ll even allow you to put the 100 year war in with your complaints and it still won’t come close to the amount of damage that is come from your corner of the philosophical circle

    Hell you can add China’s three Kingdom wars to that and you still won’t beat the number of people dead from the small group of super atheists that I mentioned above

    You know maybe we could actually discuss these things civilly but Richard Dawkins has made sure that can’t happen with that awesome divide he helped make

    One where we can blindly hate one another and not actually look at the real issue which is the hate itself

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    AaronS1978 says:

    No I has everybody seen Wikipedia’s treatment of the objections to evolution, everybody go take a venture and look at that and we can all critique it together they go into great detail about how stupid it is to raise questions about the fossil record

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    Belfast says:

    Ah, Seversky, you never let me down; your correspondence is a parade of logical fallacies,
    Once again, you raise the giggly Tu Quoque response.
    Get this through your head – a Tu Quoque response in no way whatever affects the truth value of the statement being responded to.

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    Truthfreedom says:

    Seversky:
    – What is an ‘atrocity’ according to what ‘natural selection’ has programmed into your brain?
    – And why is that ‘definition of atrocity’ the ‘good one’?

    Onlookers: please note that, according to Seversky’s philosophy, he does NOT exist. What exists is just a group of neurons that create an illusory ‘self’.

    But, UNANSWERED QUESTION: how can ‘real neurons’ ‘fool themselves’?
    And more important: why is it that only when you hear the darwinian gospel is when your neurons understand that they have been ‘fooling themselves’ all time long? And then, what mechanism do those same neurons use to ‘de-fool’ themselves?

    What a conundrum for the materialist.

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    kairosfocus says:

    H’mm:

    Some “shut up!” rhetoric intended to embarrass and silence a Christian voice that dares to speak up that something is drastically wrong with our civilisation. Something that points to needed reformation. Where of course the Marxist genocides are only the second worst holocaust over the past 100 years. The worst is the 800+ million [reports give 1.4 billion], rising at about 800k/week, of our living posterity in the womb.

    And guess who have peacefully . . . as in, no riots; though, one backfired media lynching smear job (sounds familiar? as in standard tactics in a tabloid age . . . ) now on # 2 of 8 defamation settlements and counting . . . massively protested this every year since 1973? Oh, the very same Christians Sev would shut up. Ding, ding, ding.

    Time to connect some dots.

    In case we need a reminder on the true core issue, Provine:

    Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent . . . .

    The first 4 implications are so obvious to modern naturalistic evolutionists that I will spend little time defending them. Human free will, however, is another matter. Even evolutionists have trouble swallowing that implication. I will argue that humans are locally determined systems that make choices. They have, however, no free will [–> without responsible freedom, mind, reason and morality alike disintegrate into grand delusion, hence self-referential incoherence and self-refutation. But that does not make such fallacies any less effective in the hands of clever manipulators] . . . [1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address, U of Tenn — and yes, that is significant i/l/o the Scopes Trial, 1925]

    That’s what Sev is desperate to distract attention from, the inherent nihilistic tendencies of evolutionary materialism, which is anti-civilisational. Of course, before that, it reduces responsible, rational freedom to delusion, so it undercuts itself. A big clue that it is utterly indefensible as a worldview.

    KF

    PS: Those troubled by the sins of Christendom (as a manifestation of the moral hazards and dilemmas of being human) and genuinely seeking answers may find here on helpful.

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    Truthfreedom says:

    @24 Kairosfocus,
    Truth is an inconvenient bitch.

    “No gods worth having exist”? Well. Not true for certain H. sapiens that have elevated themselves to god-like status. They believe that, through science, they will achieve immortality and that they will erradicate human suffering.
    It won’t happen though.

    The father of lies is at work. 🙂

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    mike1962 says:

    Remember, folks, if you can’t identify and quantify the variables in a thesis, the thesis is bullshit.

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    Querius says:

    Back to the OP, I wonder how Professor Duckworth handles discoveries like this:

    Bailleul, A.M. and 5 others, Evidence of proteins, chromosomes, and chemical markers of DNA in exceptionally preserved dinosaur cartilage, National Science Review 7(4):815–822, Apr 2020.

    According to the paper, cartilage cells were extracted from the skull of a supposedly 75 million year old baby duck-billed dinosaur (Hypacrosaurus stebingeri). “The results shown mean that double-stranded DNA with a minimum length of six base pairs (BP) is present in these cells.”

    Of course, background radiation should have destroyed the DNA after 75 million years due to background radiation, heat, and water. Also note that DNA half-life is highly variable depending on environmental conditions and so it cannot be used as a dating method.

    For easy access, you can read about it in Creation magazine:
    https://creation.com/dna-duckbilled-dinosaur-fossil

    -Q

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