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Breaking! Moran does NOT want RS meeting cancelled!

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Further to Larry Moran wants Royal Society evo meeting cancelled!, here’s what he said:

It looks to me like the organizers of this meeting didn’t think very carefully about the can of worms they were opening. When you have speakers like Denis Noble and Jim Shapiro you are just inviting trouble. When you try to lecture Suzan Mazur about paradigm shifting you are bound to regret it.

I’m beginning to think this meeting isn’t going to happen. The Royal Society is going to end up looking very bad and there’s no easy way to fix the problem short of cancelling the meeting. More.

Now he insists he doesn’t want the meeting cancelled.

Larry Moran (me) does not want the meeting cancelled. I’ve already booked my flight to London and reserved a place to stay. I’m really looking forward to meeting some of those people. I love the controversy and the fights.

However, I do think the Royal Society is going to regret its decision to host the meeting. This is not a group that enjoys negative publicity and there’s going to be a lot of negative publicity.

I’m predicting that they may cancel the meeting because the IDiots and the kooks are gloating about destroying evolution.

It will be interesting to see how many ID people show up. I’m betting that Denyse O’Leary won’t be there. I’ll buy her a beer if she comes.

The Paradigm Shifters: Overthrowing 'the Hegemony of the Culture of Darwin'
This book is an excellent crib for many issues under discussion.

Larry, you can get your money back, assuming you bought ticket insurance, but we are guessing you know that.

If the Royal Society did cancel the meeting now, lots of people would be forced to draw their own conclusions about the way in which the Society is no longer competent to host a serious debate. Most of those people will not be kooks, just people who recognize that at some time this discussion needs to happen. May as well be now.

I (O’Leary for News) will try to come but face local constraints.

See also: What the fossils told us in their own words

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24 Replies to “Breaking! Moran does NOT want RS meeting cancelled!

  1. 1
    Dionisio says:

    This commentary related to professor L.M. was originally posted in the previous thread dealing with the controversial Royal Society meeting:

    Posted @1673-1679 in the thread pointed by the below link* you may see a few recent paper references that clearly show specific issues being currently investigated. Well, sometime ago professor L.M. strongly affirmed here in this site that he knows exactly how that works. Can anyone explain that situation? Someone affirms to know exactly how something –that is currently under serious investigation– works. Is that the kind of biology they teach at the universities? Has anybody apologized for such a misleading affirmation? No! What professor L.M. did was to write that my questions are not honest. Go figure what he really meant! Well, here in this thread News has kindly offered a possible translation of (part of) what professor L.M. wrote back then.

    (*) Here’s the link to the mentioned paper references:
    http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-612277

    @31 in the thread http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-612278 I wrote:

    Sometime ago, in another thread, I asked professor Moran if he knew exactly how morphogen gradients form. Then he replied simply ‘yes’.
    Later -after answering few more questions I asked- he declined to continue our discussion because I did not ask honest questions.

    Here’s a reference to a recent paper (April 2016) on the same subject:
    http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-612277
    As anyone can see, the authors claim they don’t know exactly how morphogen gradients form.
    Professor Moran knew exactly contrary to the conclusions of the referenced paper.
    I asked Professor Moran to explain why he wrote that my questions were dishonest, but I don’t recall seeing his answer to that question.
    Maybe now he can explain it, before he goes meet with professors Dennis Noble and James Shapiro at the Royal Society in London?
    If my questions aren’t clear enough, maybe Denyse O’Leary can translate them to Canadian English? 🙂
    Thank you.

    @32 in the same thread News commented:

    Dionisio at 31, Denyse O’Leary (News at UD) will try to help if possible: In Canadian English, “Your question isn’t honest” usually means “Even discussing this is a losing position for me, so I won’t.” One can draw whatever conclusions one wishes from that.

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    Please don’t cancel the meeting, Royal Society. This is way too much fun…and getting better by the day. Thanks for the entertainment!

  3. 3
    Otangelo Grasso says:

    Larry Moran is unable of develop rational scientific conclusions, and move forward from his outdated, century old views. All the evidence on the contrary of his views , he ignores or dismisses outhand. That shows that he is indoctrinated and impregnated with evolutionary thinking in a manner, that makes it almost impossible for him to see the truth and recognize the direction, that scientific evidence leads to. May there be even a sign of cognitive disorder ? Or just bad will to recognize facts ? It seems that the old generation like him is in a significant part a lost case. We need to hope that a newer generation of biologists and biology students are able to analyse the scientific evidence with as little as much prejudice and bias, and come to accurate conclusions.

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    bornagain77 says:

    Perhaps Moran, after he is done trying to protect the Royal Society’s reputation from “idiots and kooks’, could look into trying to stop engineers from using Design principles to engineer better vaccines? After all, we wouldn’t want anyone to get the wrong idea that Design principles are useful in biology would we Larry?

    Engineers design programmable RNA vaccines – July 4, 2016
    Tests in mice show the vaccines work against Ebola, influenza, and common parasite
    Excerpt: Khan decided to package RNA vaccines into a nanoparticle made from a branched molecule known as a dendrimer. One key advantage of this material is that the researchers can give it a temporary positive charge, which allows it to form close associations with RNA, which is negatively charged. Khan can also control the size and pattern of the final structure. By inducing the dendrimer-RNA structure to fold over itself many times, Khan generated spherical vaccine particles with a diameter of about 150 nanometers. That makes them of similar size as many viruses, enabling the particles to enter cells by exploiting the same surface proteins that viruses use for this purpose.
    By customizing the RNA sequences, the researchers can design vaccines that produce nearly any protein they want. The RNA molecules also include instructions for amplification of the RNA, so that the cell will produce even more of the protein.
    The vaccine is designed to be delivered by intramuscular injection, making it easy to administer. Once the particles get into cells, the RNA is translated into proteins that are released and stimulate the immune system. Significantly, the vaccines were able to stimulate both arms of the immune system — a T cell response and an antibody response.
    In tests in mice, animals that received a single dose of one of the vaccines showed no symptoms following exposure to the real pathogen — Ebola, H1N1 influenza, or Toxoplasma gondii.
    “No matter what antigen we picked, we were able to drive the full antibody and T cell responses,” Khan says.
    The researchers also believe that their vaccines would be safer than DNA vaccines, another alternative that scientists are pursuing, because unlike DNA, RNA cannot be integrated into the host genome and cause mutations.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160704223415.htm

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    Dionisio says:

    bornagain77 @3

    Well, get ready to read that your questions addressed to professor L.M. are not honest. See explanation posted @1. 🙂

    BTW, thanks for the interesting link.

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    Dionisio says:

    @2

    “Please don’t cancel the meeting, Royal Society. This is way too much fun…and getting better by the day. Thanks for the entertainment!”

    Perhaps professor L.M. (unwittingly) is promoting Suzan Mazur’s books or her column at the Hufftington Post? 🙂

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    Dionisio says:

    Does anyone know why Professor L.M. refers to some fellow professors as ‘kooks’?

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    mw says:

    “Does anyone know why Professor L.M. refers to some fellow professors as ‘kooks’?”
    ____________________

    Clearly; kook derives from cook, and may be interspersed with crook.

    Darwin cooked the books by establishing a false theological position in order to make a crook out of Yahweh/Jesus. But in L M terms, Darwin is not a kook.

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    Andre says:

    Dioniso

    A clue can be found about Prof Moran on how his students rate him.

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    News says:

    Okay, I just registered for the event. Can you believe it – the Society required me to admit that my family is of Irish origin!

    Me to them: Yeah. So? I am a loyal and patriotic Canadian. Fifth gen.

    You want a fight? The O’Learies are, famously, the foightin’ Oirish.

    But we came to North America to get AWAY from that stuff. We just wanted to help build a community in peace. We spent five generations doing this in Canada.

    Whatever. See you in November.

  11. 11
    bornagain77 says:

    News is going to the front lines herself? Fantastic!

    Try to sit next to Moran if you can to make him as uncomfortable as possible. 🙂

    Preferably where an I’m with stupid T-shirt! 🙂

    http://teesbox.com/image/cache.....5;1029.jpg

  12. 12
    Dionisio says:

    mw @7

    I thought it was a Canadian Toronto local term for a friendly way to call colleagues or something like that?
    But what you describe doesn’t seem friendly at all, does it?
    I’m learning new English vocabulary here today.
    Thank you for the hint.

  13. 13
    bornagain77 says:

    correction: Preferably WEAR an I’m with stupid T-shirt! 🙂

    (note to self: double check spelling when suggesting for someone to wear an ‘I’m with stupid’ T-Shirt. 🙂 )

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    Dionisio says:

    Andre @8

    A clue can be found about Prof Moran on how his students rate him.

    How do they rate him? How can you find out?

    I’d guess they rate him very well, don’t they?

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    Dionisio says:

    BA77

    Thank you for the link.

    I took a quick look and noticed the ratings look pretty nice, aren’t they?

    Unless I misunderstood the scale?

    Aren’t those numbers percentile?

    🙂

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    bornagain77 says:

    The sample is sparse, Yet 18 poor ratings to 2 good ratings:

    some of the comments from the poor ratings:

    “Molecular evolution. Dr. Moran ruined it for me. He doesn’t listen to his students. When I would ask a question or make a comment, he would immediately disagree, and often proceed to show that I was in fact correct. He doesn’t listen. Huge ego. Unfortunate. The course content is so interesting, but now no one is taking the course.”

    “There are no words to describe this prof. If you wanna spare yourself post-traumatic stress disorder, 60 paged lab reports, his scary marking, and even scarier ego, don’t take this course. he doesn’t even deserve 15 on his evaluation. he deserves 05. Or less. The TA’s were nice though.”

    “His ego gets in the way of teaching.”

    “OMG this guy needs to GROW UP. He acts like a spoiled brat playing king of the castle with his little throne in biochemistry.”

    “instead of spending so much time on BIOME, i think mr. moran should use all that time improving his teaching abilities. he’s certainly lacking in this respect, and he should either learn to design tests and exams properly, or leave to someone who can.”

    “lectures were useless – couldn’t teach”

    “the worse prof in the world. i would NOT recommend this course, or the horrible biochemistry program.”

    “Evaluation should allow negative numbers!”

    “imagine the worst professor you’ve ever had. Moran probably taught him.”

    “the course is very good EXCEPT for MORAN. He kills everyone on the literature assignment, and he can’t teach. The other professors are very nice though.”

    “he tries very hard not to accommodate to your needs”

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    News says:

    You can be sure that O’Leary will be wearing a halter top and rude-words-free tee shirt. See you all there.

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    rvb8 says:

    Will ‘O’Leary for News’ report on the science? It’s just that if you are at a conference that will be the end of Darwinism it might be an idea to video, and record everything. Just so we can pinpoint the exact moment when ID wins the day. Just a thought, ‘O’Leary for News’.
    Also, have you got your lesson plans, and research programmes sorted out yet? There will be a huge market for ID research, and literature once Suzan Mazur, and ‘O’Leary for News’ succeed in toppling perhaps the most rigorously supported theory in modern science.
    In the quotes from LM above I see nothing about him ‘wanting’ to cancel the meeting, only a suggestion that cancellation is the only response to having quacks attending.
    ‘Requiered me to admit that my family is of Irish origin.’ This seems implausible. Also, your family didn’t go to North America, they went to Canada, and I still believe you have a Queen, the same one I do actually. You also have a Governor General, who signs all your laws as a representative of Her Majesty. This feigned joining of Canada with the US myth of founding is rather tedious.

  20. 20
    News says:

    rvb8, take a vacation.

  21. 21
    News says:

    Re News post at 9: The last time I can remember being asked about my ethnicity was in 1959. We got rid of that retarded system in Canada because:

    1. If you can’t tell by looking at me, why do you care?
    2. If you CAN tell by looking at me, why do you care?
    3. Why do you care anyway?

    Note: There is a small class of diseases where ethnicity matters, but that’s all medical confidential.

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    Dionisio says:

    News @20

    Well stated.

    Thank you.

  23. 23
    Dionisio says:

    BA77 @16

    The sample is sparse, Yet 18 poor ratings to 2 good ratings:

    some of the comments from the poor ratings:

    “Molecular evolution. Dr. Moran ruined it for me. He doesn’t listen to his students. When I would ask a question or make a comment, he would immediately disagree, and often proceed to show that I was in fact correct. He doesn’t listen. Huge ego. Unfortunate. The course content is so interesting, but now no one is taking the course.”

    “There are no words to describe this prof. If you wanna spare yourself post-traumatic stress disorder, 60 paged lab reports, his scary marking, and even scarier ego, don’t take this course. he doesn’t even deserve 15 on his evaluation. he deserves 05. Or less. The TA’s were nice though.”

    “His ego gets in the way of teaching.”

    “OMG this guy needs to GROW UP. He acts like a spoiled brat playing king of the castle with his little throne in biochemistry.”

    “instead of spending so much time on BIOME, i think mr. moran should use all that time improving his teaching abilities. he’s certainly lacking in this respect, and he should either learn to design tests and exams properly, or leave to someone who can.”

    “lectures were useless – couldn’t teach”

    “the worse prof in the world. i would NOT recommend this course, or the horrible biochemistry program.”

    “Evaluation should allow negative numbers!”

    “imagine the worst professor you’ve ever had. Moran probably taught him.”

    “the course is very good EXCEPT for MORAN. He kills everyone on the literature assignment, and he can’t teach. The other professors are very nice though.”

    “he tries very hard not to accommodate to your needs”

    Those students are rude, aren’t they?

    When professor L.M. affirmed –here in this online site- that he knows exactly how morphogen gradients form, someone could have taken that as a reflection of an egocentric attitude, but we should graciously give him the benefit of the doubt, shouldn’t we?

    🙂

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    rvb8 says:

    “Take a vacation.” In New Zealand we usually say, “take a holiday”, but I’ll put your idiom down to the proximity you enjoy with another country.
    You do have a Queen, and I believe to become a Canadian citizen people still have to swear allegiance to her; we still do in New Zealand, and I loath it!
    At this conferance in London will you ask questions of the scientists present? Will you put them on the, ‘hot spot’? Will Suzan? Or will we be subjected to the usual inter-net hype?
    “We got rid of that system..” I doubt that strongly. I’m sure Canadian border police look very suspiciously at hijab clad women, and men of a Middle Eastern look; rightly so, in my opinion!

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