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Historic journal Nature is freaked out over American public school science classrooms – again

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It’s not like the United States put a man on the moon and then brought him back or supervised mapping the human genome or anything useful like that. So it stands to reason that anyone at all, including people who live in countries where witchcraft is a capital offense, are free to fret about Florida classrooms. The beauty of pomo (post-modernism) is that it never needs to make sense, just make complaints.

From Giorgia Guglielmi at Nature:

Education bills would allow people who live in the state to review and recommend instructional materials to be used in schools.

That’s shocking, especially when you consider that the people who live in the state are forced to pay for the schools and to send their kids to them (if they can’t afford private). 😉

Who told these serfs they had rights?!

Florida’s instructional-materials bills could alter classroom content in a less direct way.

Allowing taxpayers to have a say in what goes on in public schools seems innocuous, says Brandon Haught, who teaches environmental science at a secondary school in Orange City, Florida. In reality, the bills, together with last year’s law, expose schools to activists that oppose the teaching of topics such as evolution and global warming, he says.

Allowing taxpayers a say had better be innocuous. That is what representative government is about.

What’s more, the bills and the law use language that makes it easier for individuals to target such topics, Branch says. The documents state that educational materials should be “balanced” and “noninflammatory”, but they don’t specify who decides whether something is inflammatory, he says. “It’s a real worry that those labels will be slapped onto any kind of material that people oppose.”

If we are talking about discredited icons of Darwinian evolution, there will be some pretty ripe targets long before we get to “any kind of material that people oppose.”

See Jonathan Wells’s Zombie Science for the graveyard catwalk of Darwinian evolution.

Glenn Branch, deputy director of the National Center for Science Education (that is, Darwin in the school and, more recently, climate apocalypse lobby), offers

These measures would allow local school districts to use alternative education standards as long as they are equivalent to or “more rigorous” than the state ones. “But we’re not told how to measure rigour,” Branch says. More.

Idea: Why don’t we wait to see whether the new standards are more rigorous? For decades, the United States has spent more on education and got less for it than most Western nations. We can afford a bit of time to seeing whether a new broom sweeps cleaner.

See also: Indian education minister doubts Darwin; stands by fact that theory is under fire

and

Father of neo-Darwinism (Fisher’s theorem) Ronald Fisher critiqued at his own memorial?

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News (attn RVB): I see:
Allowing tax-payers to have a say in what goes on in public schools seems innocuous, says Brandon Haught, who teaches environmental science at a secondary school in Orange City, Florida. In reality, the bills, together with last year’s law, expose schools to activists that oppose the teaching of topics such as evolution and global warming, he says . . . . What’s more, the bills and the law use language that makes it easier for individuals to target such topics, Branch says. The documents state that educational materials should be “balanced” and “noninflammatory”, but they don’t specify who decides whether something is inflammatory, he says. “It’s a real worry that those labels will be slapped onto any kind of material that people oppose.”
Excuse me? "Taxation without REPRESENTATION is tyranny." But then maybe Nature -- a British Journal -- has forgotten one of the roots of the uprising of the Colonists on the far side of the Atlantic. Could that also be why today's aficionados of statist creeping totalitarianism are scared by the thought of a public armed with weapons adequate to defeat paramilitaries including tactical teams and snipers such as popped up in several notorious cases . . . Vicki Weaver shot at her door while armed and dangerous [--> having a baby in arms] comes to mind as does the recent dismissal of the Bundy case where snipers were also in place. Already, all too many "activists" have been at work on education systems and have used agit prop techniques to twist it into a patently increasingly chaotic, ideologised and ruinously destructive condition. So, we may freely translate the above as: don't you dare challenge what we have done and are doing. Sorry, ah nuh so it go! When I see complaints along the lines: " educational materials should be “balanced” and “noninflammatory”, but they don’t specify who decides whether something is inflammatory" that speaks volumes. There are Parent-Teacher Associations, Boards for Schools, and Boards of Education. If parents and members of the community are to be locked out of governance, censored, scapegoated and dominated like this suggests then it is time for drastic reform. If there is unresponsiveness to the people at local level, they have a right to intervene, starting with state level legislatures. and if those too are corrupt, it is time to secede from the public schooling system. Where, if state operatives and activists then come after them as is happening with Christian Bakers etc, then we are at the deadly threshold of "a long train of abuses and usurpations." Maybe, there is a reason why by and large school children are not made to memorise this:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Hard-bought lessons of history, again. And yes, that is my philosophy of government in a nutshell. KF PS: There is an excellent educational purpose served by allowing students to learn that controversial ideas are just that, controversial, and exploring various perspectives, weighing up and concluding for themselves.kairosfocus
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OA, There is another thread currently that may help you. I note, when education, media and other culturally dominant institutions push an ideology for long enough, it has a shaping influence. In this case, eating out centuries of Judaeo-Christian reforms that set values fundamental to stabilising a society with high freedoms and low chaos. Eventually, that capital will be eaten up and the consequences will be more and more evident. In the case of evolutionary materialism it has a longstanding track record of entrenching amorality and inviting nihilism, cf. PS below. This is multiplied by cultural marxism, which is accelerating the undermining of stabilising institutions, values and practices, starting with family. Our civilisation is ever more complacent as it edges closer and closer to a crumbling brink. KF PS: Plato's warning, yes, from 2350+ years ago . . . the history of the collapse of Democratic Athens is a warning and an example of why we need to be a lot more familiar with sobering lessons of history that were bought hard with blood and tears:
Ath [in The Laws, Bk X 2,350+ ya]. . . .[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [i.e the classical "material" elements of the cosmos], all exist by nature and chance, and none of them by art . . . [such that] all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only [ --> that is, evolutionary materialism is ancient and would trace all things to blind chance and mechanical necessity] . . . . [Thus, they hold] that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.-
[ --> Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT, leading to an effectively arbitrary foundation only for morality, ethics and law: accident of personal preference, the ebbs and flows of power politics, accidents of history and and the shifting sands of manipulated community opinion driven by "winds and waves of doctrine and the cunning craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming . . . " cf a video on Plato's parable of the cave; from the perspective of pondering who set up the manipulative shadow-shows, why.]
These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might,
[ --> Evolutionary materialism -- having no IS that can properly ground OUGHT -- leads to the promotion of amorality on which the only basis for "OUGHT" is seen to be might (and manipulation: might in "spin") . . . ]
and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [ --> Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality "naturally" leads to continual contentions and power struggles influenced by that amorality at the hands of ruthless power hungry nihilistic agendas], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is,to live in real dominion over others [ --> such amoral and/or nihilistic factions, if they gain power, "naturally" tend towards ruthless abuse and arbitrariness . . . they have not learned the habits nor accepted the principles of mutual respect, justice, fairness and keeping the civil peace of justice, so they will want to deceive, manipulate and crush -- as the consistent history of radical revolutions over the past 250 years so plainly shows again and again], and not in legal subjection to them [--> nihilistic will to power not the spirit of justice and lawfulness].
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The school shootings are because of materialism in the classroom? I'm not an evolutionist or a materialist, so I'm not questioning the statement because of that. There's a lot of debate over whether the problem is guns or mental health. I don't see why it can't be both. But materialism? There could be some dots to connect but that's way down on the list of causes.OldAndrew
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The danger of allowing materialism into the classroom is evidenced by all of the school shootings. I will gladly take on anyone in a debate ID vs evolutionism- which has the science and the evidenceET
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"Historic journal Nature"?? Huh? The world's most cited 'scientific' journal in 2010, and even today is mildly respected. Is News once again inflamed by those, British 'toffs'? The proposed laws in Florida would allow for any crackpot to propose learning materials. From Islamic creationism, to the more familiar US flavour. I am not a citizen of Florida, or the US for that matter, but the last thing I would want for my children is, every parent contributing to the learning process. Incidently, the NCSE picked up on this Nature article to highlite the danger of allowing Christianity once again into the classroom. Where, ironically enough, it still has a prominant place in British education. Perhaps the best thing for ID would be a staunchly atheist Congress, that way the percieved attacks on Chrisitianity might hold a grain of truth, and the faithful really would be in a, 'battle'.rvb8
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