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ID, Atheism, and Theistic Evolution

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A famous theism-vs.-atheism debate between William Lane Craig and Frank Zindler took place in 1993 at Willow Creek Church and was published as a video by Zondervan in 1996 (under the title Atheism vs. Christianity). The debate is available on YouTube here (in 15 parts). It is available in full here. In that debate, Zindler, taking the atheist side, made the following remark:

The most devastating thing, though, that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people, the central myth of Christianity is destroyed. If there never was an Adam and Eve, there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin, there is no need of salvation. If there is no need of salvation, there is no need of a savior. And I submit that puts Jesus, historical or otherwise, into the ranks of the unemployed. I think that evolution is absolutely the death knell of Christianity.

I’ve addressed Zindler’s objection to Original Sin and the Fall in my book The End of Christianity: Finding a Good God in an Evil World (check out the book as well as a $5,000 video contest promoting the book at www.godornot.com). What interests me here, though, is the logic that’s suppoed to take one from evolution to the death of Christianity — and presumably also to the death of any other brand of theism. Accordingly, evolution — a Darwinian, materialistic form of it — is supposed to imply no God and thus atheism. Simply put, (DARWINIAN) EVOLUTION implies ATHEISM. This implication seems widely touted by atheists. Will Provine, for instance, will call evolution an “engine for atheism,” suggesting that the path from evolution to atheism is inescapable.

Now this implication, though perhaps underscoring a sociological phenomenon (people exposed to Darwinism frequently become atheistic or agnostic), is logically unsound. Theistic evolutionists like Francis Collins, Denis Alexander, and Kenneth Miller provide a clear counterexample, showing that some bright biologists think it’s possible for the two to be compatible. Moreover, there’s no evident contradiction between a Darwinian evolutionary process that brings about the complexity and diversity of life and a god of some sort (deistic, Stoic, etc.?) setting up the physical conditions by which evolution operates.

The reverse implication, however, does hold: ATHEISM implies EVOLUTION (a gradualist, materialist form of evolution, the prime example of which is Darwinian evolution). Indeed, the atheist has no other options in explaining the diversity and complexity of life. This reverse implication explains why ID is so vehemently opposed by atheists. By challenging evolution, ID challenges atheism. The logic here is a simple application of the rules modus ponens (If A, then B; A; therefore B) and modus tollens (If A, then B; not B; therefore not A). Thus,

Premise 1: If atheism is true, then so is Darwinian evolution.

Premise 2: But if ID is true, then Darwinian evolution is false.

Premise 3: ID is true (the controversial premise).

Conclus 1: Therefore Darwinian evolution is false (modus ponents applied to Premises 2 and 3)

Conclus 2: Therefore atheism is false (modus tollens applied to Premise 1 and Conclus 1)

Evolution is the mainstay of an atheistic worldview — is it a coincidence that the day-job of the world’s most prominent atheist (Richard Dawkins) is evolutionary biology? ID, by challenging this mainstay, fundamentally undermines an atheistic worldview. It’s therefore ironic that theistic evolutionists fall all over themselves to support evolution, even arguing that it is more compatible with Christian theism than ID.

When I got into this business 20 years ago, I thought that any Christian (and indeed theist), given good evidence against evolution (again, a materialistic understanding of it) would be happy to trash it and move to some form of intelligent design (whether special creation or intelligent evolution). But that’s not happened. Theistic evolutionists now make common cause with atheistic evolutionists — specifically against ID. ID has become public enemy number one for both atheistic and theistic evolutionists (the recent spate of books by both sides confirms this point).

The practical effect of this is that not just the mainstream academy but the mainstream Christian academy (Wheaton College, Calvin College, Seattle Pacific University, etc. — most of the schools in the CCCU) have now closed their doors to ID and to hiring faculty that explicitly support it. We’re therefore on our own. This may seem like a bad thing (it sure would be nice to be invited to those wine-and-cheese parties at the Templeton Foundation), but I submit it is a good thing. It keeps us honest. We don’t have to play nice with Darwin because our livelihoods are at stake. Moreover, it will make the ultimate victory of ID all that much sweeter.

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tjm, ID is not Biblical Creationism, though it is compatible with it. ID is a tool and a science. We don't complain that Newtonian Mechanics "breaks down: because it doesn't include a scriptural interpretation or biblical premises. It is what it is; a science, a model. ID is not the end all of nature studies. It studies one aspect of it, detection of intelligent activity. What you do with it is up to you. It was never meant to replace Creationism. It is simultaneously more limited (in application) and more broad (in interpretation). Biblical Creationists can appeal to ID science as can Hindus, Muslims and even Atheists. (I've come across examples of all four on the web.)Atom
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Actually from purely scientific methods there is now ample evidence to know there was a first man and woman; a literal Adam and Eve. Human Evolution - Genetic Adam And Eve - Hugh Ross - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4036776/human_evolution_genetic_adam_and_eve_hugh_ross/ Shoot, the genetic evidence even lends support to a genetic bottleneck at Noah's flood: Does The Genetic Evidence Support Noah's Flood? - Fazale Rana PhD. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4116168/does_the_genetic_evidence_support_noahs_flood_fazale_rana_phd/ Book Review; Who Was Adam?: A Creation Model Approach to the Origin of Man: Excerpt: The Bible claims that there was a genetic bottleneck at the Genesis flood. Whereas all females can trace their ancestry back to Eve (through the three wives of Noah's sons), all males trace their Y-chromosomes through Noah (through his three sons). This predicted discrepancy for molecular dates of mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome data is actually seen in the scientific literature. http://www.godandscience.org/newsletters/2005-09.html As well advances in molecular biology, particularly Axe's work in the rarity of functional proteins;;; Stephen Meyer - Functional Proteins And Information For Body Plans - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4050681/stephen_meyer_functional_proteins_and_information_for_body_plans/ ;;;crushes any naturalistic evolution scenario of humans since;;; Chimps are not like humans - May 2004 Excerpt: the International Chimpanzee Chromosome 22 Consortium reports that 83% of chimpanzee chromosome 22 proteins are different from their human counterparts,,, The results reported this week showed that "83% of the genes have changed between the human and the chimpanzee—only 17% are identical—so that means that the impression that comes from the 1.2% [sequence] difference is [misleading]. In the case of protein structures, it has a big effect," Sakaki said. http://cmbi.bjmu.edu.cn/news/0405/119.htm Eighty percent of proteins are different between humans and chimpanzees; Gene; Volume 346, 14 February 2005: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15716009 This coupled with the disparity found in the fossil record;;; New study suggests big bang theory of human evolution - U of M Press Release Excerpt: "The earliest H. sapiens (Human-like) remains differ significantly from australopithecines (Lucy-ape-like) in both size and anatomical details. Insofar as we can tell, these changes were sudden and not gradual." University of Michigan anthropologist Milford Wolpoff http://www.ns.umich.edu/Releases/2000/Jan00/r011000b.html Evolution of the Genus Homo - Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences - Tattersall, Schwartz, May 2009 Excerpt: "Definition of the genus Homo is almost as fraught as the definition of Homo sapiens. We look at the evidence for “early Homo,” finding little morphological basis for extending our genus to any of the 2.5–1.6-myr-old fossil forms assigned to “early Homo” or Homo habilis/rudolfensis." http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.earth.031208.100202 ;;;gives us ample reason to believe that however humans may have arrived on the scene it was not by Darwinian processes.bornagain77
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Actually, I am a Christian and I agree with Zindler. He is not so dumb with this argument. This is where ID science breaks down because it does not allow the Bible into the debate. Why? - We're told in Genesis very clearly that God created Adam directly from the ground and NOT from a monkey. - We're told that mankind was created in the image of God, not via a long process of evolution. - Jesus said said in the Gospel of Mark, referring to humans, that God created them male and female at the beginning of creation - not after 14 billion years of history. - Jesus is called the "second Adam" in the Bible - a meaningless term if there was no first Adam. If there was no Adam to sin, then of course, there was no "Fall" or curse placed on humans or on this world and hence there is no need for a Savior to redeem us or restore creation. The Bible tells us that Jesus came to redeem us from a real curse, the curse of sin that was placed on us when Adam and Eve sinned, not from a fictitious curse. Common Descent does not fit with the Bible in my view. God is not the author of death. He is the God of life. I do not believe the Bible says that God used a process that included death, suffering, extinction, bloodshed, pain, and competition among the species to create the vast variety of living creatures that we now see. Actually, he tells us that "Death is the last enemy", not God's tool of creation. One day, death will be no more - when He restores creation from it's fallen and cursed state. Death is an intruder, not an ally! I recognize that micro-evolution has taken place and is taking place. I recognize the role of natural selection in this type of limited evolution, but the idea of common descent does not fit well with Scripture. God created living creatures "according to their kind." The word "kind" may be quite wide in scope. For instance, all the varieties of dogs, wolves, dingos, etc may all have evolved(perhaps devolved is a better word) from the original two animals that God created belonging to the dog kind. God did not create each species of dog separately, but included the genetic information necessary for all the variety of dogs that we see now in the DNA of the original pair. With breeding and natural selection we got the wide variety that we have today. I totally agree with IDers in that the world and life as well was designed but if we don't recognize a literal Adam and Eve, separate from and different from the animals, and created in God's image directly from the dust of the earth as the Scripture so plainly says, then Scriptural interpretation is hopeless in my view.tjm
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Omigolly: Someone is actually saying what I thought. It feels like blundering through a snowstorm to a bus stop, and being informed via bus ads that global warming is a big issue. Sure, maybe. I don't wanna fight with anyone. I just wanna undo the buttons on my sheepskin - once I am inside the bus, which is presumably belching carbon debits into the atmo.* Bad, bad, bad, O'Leary! You should be freezing somewhere, for the sake of the "environment." Okay, now, someone says, "And I submit that puts Jesus, historical or otherwise, into the ranks of the unemployed." Well, if Jesus is unemployed, how is it that Christianity is one of the world's great religions? Strikes me, a fella like that must have a job. Don't the atheists and their enablers need to do better than that to deserve public funding? *20 years ago, after a vicious storm, I was rescued by a bus driver who stopped his bus at a non-stop outside a publishing company office. I was perched on a snow bank wondering what to do. He said, "Get in. I am off duty and dropping off my bus, but I will take you to the subway station." Which he did. O'Leary
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