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Word games: Did creationists invent the distinction between micro-evolution and macro-evolution?

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Further to word games around the term “Darwinism,” another friend writes to comment on another word game intended to subvert discussions of just how much information Darwinism (natural selection acting on random mutation) can load into a life form within the probability bounds of our universe (micro- vs. macro- evolution):

Another popular word game played by Darwinists is to claim that creationists invented the words microevolution and macroevolution. But the words were coined by Russian neo-darwinist Yuri Filipchenko and subsequently used by his student Theodosius Dobzhansky (also a neo-darwinist) in the 1930s:

“There is no way toward an understanding of the mechanisms of macroevolutionary changes, which require time on a geological scale, other than through a full comprehension of the microevolutionary processes observable within the span of a human lifetime and often controlled by man’s will. For this reason we are compelled at the present level of knowledge reluctantly to put a sign of equality between the mechanisms of macro- and microevolution, and proceeding on this assumption, to push our investigations as far ahead as this working hypothesis will permit.” – Genetics and the Origin of Species (New York: Columbia University Press, 1937), 12.

Also, from Casey Luskin at Evolution News & Views,

When engaging in debates, every once in a while I hear the claim that Darwin-critics also invented terms like “microevolution” or “macroevolution.” For example, Jonathan Wells reports, “In 2005, Darwinist Gary Hurd claimed that the distinction between microevolution and macroevolution was just a creationist fabrication. … Hurd wrote to the Kansas State Board of Education: “…’macro’ and ‘micro’ evolution … have no meaning outside of creationist polemics.” (Jonathan Wells, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design, pgs. 55-56). This is also a Darwinian urban legend, for such terms have been used regularly in the scientific literature. Indeed, textbooks commonly teach this terminology, including two of the textbooks I used in college when learning about evolutionary biology.

The glossary of my college introductory biology text, Campbell’s Biology (4th Ed.) states: “macroevolution: Evolutionary change on a grand scale, encompassing the origin of novel designs, evolutionary trends, adaptive radiation, and mass extinction.” Futuyma’s Evolutionary Biology, a text I used for an upper-division evolutionary biology course, states, “In Chapters 2h3 through 25, we will analyze the principles of MACROEVOLUTION, that is, the origin and diversification of higher taxa.” (pg. 447, emphasis in original). Similarly, these textbooks respectively define “microevolution” as “a change in the gene pool of a population over a succession of generations” and “slight, short-term evolutionary changes within species.” Clearly Darwin-skeptics did not invent these terms. More. (2007)

This kind of information about terminology is, of course, useful only to those who need to know what is going on.

Darwinians who engage in word games and the audiences who hear them gladly need to avoid the issue that Darwinism is not testable or falsifiable*, makes no predictions, and explains observed facts poorly. Yet powerful lobbies demand that it be taught in the schools as “evolution.” They seem to dread the sight of an open window.

*Note: “Falsifiability, a principle developed by philosopher of science Karl Popper (1902–1994), offers this test: A theory is scientific if evidence could disprove it. If a theory is so general as to be consistent with any state of evidence or is constantly undergoing revision to deal with contrary evidence, it is not scientific. Popper was impressed by Einstein’s theories because evidence could disprove them, but didn’t. More.”

See also: The term “Darwinism” was coined by enemies of Darwin to make him look bad?

Claim: Evolutionists do not use the term “Darwinism.” Yes they do. This is just another word game.

and

Question for multiverse theorists: To what can science appeal, if not evidence?

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See this 1980 NY Times report: https://evolutionnews.org/2014/02/heres_what_the/Granville Sewell
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Origenes @ 18:
So, the terms were invented by biologists, but they turned out not to be meaningful.
That is not what I said; what I said is that that is a possibility, and the fact that it is a possibility shows that your logic is invalid. I also mentioned that I disagree with Gary Hurd, from which you should have been able to figure out that I do not think the distinction is meaningless. I'd try to explain my actual opinion on the subject, but you don't seem interested in understanding any opinions you don't agree with. You've misrepresented Gary Hurd, and now you've misrepresented me. Why should I tell you more, when you'll probably just misrepresent that too? BTW, you also misunderstood the situation with the mathematical infinities. "p" and "t" are not the cardinalities of integers and real numbers, and in fact it's known that the cardinalities of the integers and reals are not equal. And what has been shown to be equal are two "different" cardinalities ("sizes"), not two sets.Gordon Davisson
September 20, 2017
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The micro prefix seems to refer to the effect of the embedded variability framework in biological systems, like in the famous Galapagos finches. The macro prefix seems to refer to an obscene extrapolation of the embedded variability framework in biological systems as an argument for an empirically weak theory that has been used to indoctrinate many generations of biologists. The fundamental evo-devo issue hasn't been resolved yet: Dev(d)=Dev(a)+Delta(a,d) What about this? https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/is-origin-of-life-research-undergoing-a-renaissance/#comment-6397sDionisio
September 20, 2017
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Gordon Davisson:
Origenes: If those terms only exist in creation polemics, they must have come into existence in that realm.
That doesn’t follow at all. The terms were clearly invented by biologists, but that doesn’t mean the distinction between micro- and macro-evolution has turned out to be meaningful within evolutionary biology.
So, the terms were invented by biologists, but they turned out not to be meaningful. IOWs at one point in time, during their initial invention, the terms appeared to be meaningful outside the creationist’ realm, but later it turned out they were not. The terms are (now) no longer meaningful. Biologists today know that change in the gene pool of a population over a succession of generations is, in fact, the same as diversification of higher taxa. To make a distinction between these two has become utterly useless. Got it.
Gordon Davisson: For an analogous situation, consider the recent mathematical discovery featured in a recent UD post: two infinities (referred to as “p” and “t”) turned out to be equal. So the distinction between “p” and “t” was invented by mathematicians, but turns out the distinction isn’t meaningful, because they refer to exactly the same thing!
The infinity of natural numbers and the infinity of real numbers may very well be of the same size, but they are not “exactly the same thing”. No mathematician would say so. Similarly, one pound of oranges is just as heavy as one pound of apples, but that doesn’t make it the same thing.Origenes
September 19, 2017
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Origenes @13:
If those terms only exists in creation polemics, they must have come into existence in that realm.
That doesn't follow at all. The terms were clearly invented by biologists, but that doesn't mean the distinction between micro- and macro-evolution has turned out to be meaningful within evolutionary biology. For an analogous situation, consider the recent mathematical discovery featured in a recent UD post: two infinities (referred to as "p" and "t") turned out to be equal. So the distinction between "p" and "t" was invented by mathematicians, but turns out the distinction isn't meaningful, because they refer to exactly the same thing! (BTW, I also disagree with Gary Hurd; I'm just pointing out that he neither said nor implied that creationists invented the terms micro- and macro-evolution.)Gordon Davisson
September 19, 2017
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Except microevolution is variation within a population. Changing the color of fur, skin, eyes are examples of micro. The only thing you get with accumulations of micro is an albino dwarf who can digest milk throughout its life, has a cleft chin, sickle-cell anemia and detached ear lobes.
Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102
ET
September 19, 2017
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ET - have you ever seen Hurd & Wilson in the same room? FWIW, I disagree with Gary Hurd. We do sometimes use "macro-evolution" and "micro-evolution". We just don't have a problem with thinking that macro-evolution is micro-evolution plus time (and other factors, like plate tectonics).Bob O'H
September 19, 2017
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Hurd isn't Wilson. Is he even an evolutionary biologist?ET
September 19, 2017
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Bob @12 According to Hurd, creationists have invented the terms, because those terms "have no meaning outside of creationist polemics". If those terms only exists in creation polemics, they must have come into existence in that realm. And yes, inventing a term implies giving meaning to it.Origenes
September 19, 2017
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Origenes @ 10 - Yes, I read that, but so what? it doesn't say that creationists invented the terms, does it? And that's what I was asking about. The specific claim that creationists invented the terms.Bob O'H
September 19, 2017
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Bob @4 @6, from the OP:
Darwinist Gary Hurd claimed that the distinction between microevolution and macroevolution was just a creationist fabrication. … Hurd wrote to the Kansas State Board of Education: “…’macro’ and ‘micro’ evolution … have no meaning outside of creationist polemics.”
Origenes
September 19, 2017
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Truth Will Set You Free- The word "oblivious" comes to mind. ;)ET
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ET @ 7: Nice work.Truth Will Set You Free
September 19, 2017
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Bob O'H- Evolutionists, like Jerry Coyne, say that macro is just accumulated micro, ie no distinction between the two (see "Why Evolution is True"). Most evolutionists I have talked to or read say the same thing- Nick Matzke is a perfect example as is Alan Fox et al. over on TSZ: I’m not convinced that “macroevolution” is a useful term when discussing evolutionary processes. It suggests a different process to microevolution. Keep reading from thereET
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Origines - I did. That's why I asked the question.Bob O'H
September 19, 2017
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Bob @4 You might want to read the OP.Origenes
September 19, 2017
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Does anyone have any evidence that anyone has claimed that creationists invented the words microevolution and macroevolution? Or is this another evidence-free claim?Bob O'H
September 19, 2017
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Yeah, 'tis the evolutionists who blurred this line. Once done, you've got those "mountains of evidence". Funniest I've seen is squirrels giving birth early, handily proving both evolution AND global warning!gooshy
September 19, 2017
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Creationists didn't create the distinction but evolutionists have been trying to get rid of the distinction for decades. Most claim that macro is just an accumulation of micro, albeit without any evidentiary support.ET
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The highly accredited, influential types who make these easily rebutted claims either aren't very bright or are bald liars who expect gatekeepers and other authorities to keep them from being held accountable.tribune7
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