A new Time Book worries, maybe we ARE alone in the universe

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March 22, 2015

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Here. “As a new TIME book explains, a cosmos with trillions of planets does not guarantee more than one with life.”

You think that’s bad news? Here’s worse: You are not alone. That other guy is God.

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How Do We Grapple with the Idea that ET Might Not Be Out There?

This closes our religion news coverage for the week.

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Eric Anderson @17 Good points. Although since you said:
You ask whether it is “reasonable” to think that such life would arise by mindless, purposeless processes? Of course it is not reasonable.
I want to point out that my questions were asked rhetorically. ;o) It was irrational to just assume the Universe and the life within it are mindless accidents before Penrose calculated that the odds of the "Big Bang" producing by chance a universe so low in entropy that life would even be a possibility to be 1 in 10^10^123. Afterwards it became a matter of finding a way to convey to the Emperor that his vanity had led him into foolishness. The Emperor is stark naked. That is a fact, although not enough people are willing to admit that they are aware of it. Contemporary atheistic materialism will go down in history as the worst case ever of ideological lunacy coming to dominate the institutions of a society. Ultimately, their house will prove to be a house of cards though, and will inevitably collapse. The Truth has infinite power and He is irrepressible. He may get buried for a while but He always rises again in glory.harry_{March 23, 2015
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BA: velikovskys, the Holy Bible tells us the story that almighty God created man. True,just not how Darwinian evolution tells us the story that unguided material processes created man. It tells us that is the tentative scientific explanation . Science tells us that a single human brain is far more complex than the entire internet combined. The material brain Which story fits the evidence better? Which method provided the evidence ?velikovskys_{March 23, 2015
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I get a real sour taste in my mouth everytime I see 'news' peddle her own obvious metaphysical opinions. No, not all theists believe we are alone. I certainly don't.sovereign_{March 23, 2015
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We are alone. the earth was a special place. Man was created for earth and then , with eternal life, he was to populate the universe. the universe is the original eternal home for mankind. not heaven etc. The universe was for eternal mankind to populate. its undeveloped real estate. Paradise lost eh.Robert Byers_{March 22, 2015
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harry:
Is it reasonable to expect that mindless, purposeless processes would accidentally arrive at the same “appearance of design” over and over again? At what point would we assume that the only explanation for such similarities in life from various planets was a common designer, not mindless, purposeless processes accidentally doing the very same thing wherever there is life in the Universe?
I hear you, but it won't make one bit of difference in the debate, I am afraid. After all, the only issue we are dealing with in Earth-bound vs extraterrestrial is location. There have already been numerous discoveries of new life forms in unexpected locations, in exotic locations, in locations that were previously thought uninhabitable. Not one of those discoveries has any meaningful impact on the materialist creation myth. The materialist creation myth, after all, is not based on actual empirical evidence, but upon an assumption that molecules bumping into each other can generate living organisms, humans, every living thing we see around us. If life is discovered elsewhere, it will just confirm, in their minds, that this is true. And if the code is the same, well, that will just be a wonderful example of "convergent" evolution. There is already plenty of evidence that mindless matter in motion did not create what we see around us in biology. Anyone with any reasonable level of objectivity can see this. And yet, people still cling to the myth. You ask whether it is "reasonable" to think that such life would arise by mindless, purposeless processes? Of course it is not reasonable. But reasonableness never had anything to do with it in the first place. It is about upholding the materialist creation story at all costs. So the materialists have little to fear from discovery of life elsewhere. It will just be taken as another confirmation of their story. Even if that life is eerily similar to life on Earth, it will just be incorporated into the storyline as a wonderful example of convergent evolution. I can see the headlines now: "Convergent Evolution -- On a Planetary Scale!" Ironically, the greatest risk of such a discovery is to those who have proclaimed that there can be no extraterrestrial life, due to some strained interpretation of sacred text or personal disbelief in such a possibility or otherwise.Eric Anderson_{March 22, 2015
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velikovskys, the Holy Bible tells us the story that almighty God created man. Darwinian evolution tells us the story that unguided material processes created man. Science tells us that a single human brain is far more complex than the entire internet combined. Which story fits the evidence better?bornagain77_{March 22, 2015
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SA: Materialists have their own sacred stories. Like their talking puddle. Kind of like the talking burning bush?velikovskys_{March 22, 2015
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You think that’s bad news? Here’s worse: You are not alone. That other guy is God.
I get the point. I guess it is bad news if one chooses to believe that God does not exist. But, actually God's existence is really good news - not bad news. It gives meaning and purpose to life and brings hope for the future!tjguy_{March 22, 2015
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Eric Anderson @11 What would be the implications of the extraterrestrial life being digital-information based as it his here on Earth? What if alien life is not only digital-information based, but also uses base 4 in its version of a DNA molecule? What if it also has a twenty character chemical alphabet, its version of earthly life's twenty character amino acid alphabet? What if each "letter" of that alphabet is represented by the contents of 3 units of memory as it is on Earth? Would that mean that life, wherever it exists, had the same designer? Is it reasonable to expect that mindless, purposeless processes would accidentally arrive at the same "appearance of design" over and over again? At what point would we assume that the only explanation for such similarities in life from various planets was a common designer, not mindless, purposeless processes accidentally doing the very same thing wherever there is life in the Universe?harry_{March 22, 2015
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What is an extraterrestrial? What is an alien? Is God an alien? Are demons and angels aliens? Do aliens have to be made of ordinary matter or can they be made of some exotic form of matter? In a sense, any religion that worships one or more non-human deities already believes in aliens. Consider that history and archaeology are full of examples of ancient peoples who worshipped powerful beings who, the people claimed, came from the sky. Unfortunately, the modern materialists who control education have chosen to disbelieve the ancient reports and to dismiss them as superstitious myths. Why? Because the idea of aliens on earth in the distant past would jeopardize their carefully crafted worldview, the state religion. But it's just another castle in the air.Mapou_{March 22, 2015
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Harry, it will have no meaningful impact, as the existence of new life forms (many of which have been discovered in exotic locations and in exotic forms since Darwin's day) has never had any meaningful impact on the debate. However, those who, primarily for religious reasons, have outright rejected the idea of extraterrestrial life will have egg on their face and will have to backtrack or modify their views.Eric Anderson_{March 22, 2015
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Materialists have their own sacred stories. Like their talking puddle.Silver Asiatic_{March 22, 2015
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Star Trek is part of the sacred philosophy of materialists everywhere. Most of it is crap, though.Mapou_{March 22, 2015
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Anyone have any thoughts on the effect it will have on the evolution debate if it is ever verified that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe? By "evolution debate" I mean specifically the debate over whether or not life could have come about mindlessly and accidentally.harry_{March 22, 2015
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I'm going with Seversky. I'll boldly go a step further and say there are conscious beings much more advanced than human. Angels for example. Isn't Holy Spirit "part of this world" with God the Father / God the Son "not of this world"?ppolish_{March 22, 2015
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not_querius @5, I did not include Muslims, not because they don't believe in the same God, but because the Quran sees Allah as a single individual. The Quran also denies the existence of other Gods. The Bible teaches that Yahweh is many (Elohim is a plural word) and acknowledges the existence of many other Gods. It even names some of them.Mapou_{March 22, 2015
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"I believe that Yahweh Elohim, the God of Jews and Christians..." And Moslems. Was that omission intentional.not_querius_{March 22, 2015
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Yawn... Astronauts Say UFOs are Real http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2013/04/astronauts-say-ufos-are-real.html High Ranking Government and Military Officials Say UFOs are Extraterrestrial Craft Visiting the Earth http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2013/09/high-ranking-government-and-military.html Video: "Debunking the UFO Debunkers" in which Stanton Friedman explains why you cannot trust the "skeptics". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crg67I276iU UFO Witness Testimony http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2014/02/ufo-witness-testimony-from-csetiweb.html UFO Experiencers Speak http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2014/03/video-highlights-of-ufo-experiencers.html Exopolitics Lectures from the 2010 X-Conference http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2014/03/exopolitics-lectures-from-2010-x.htmlJim Smith_{March 22, 2015
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I'm a Trekkie. I believe there are new life-forms and new civilizations out there. Whether we can ever build a starship to go and find them is another matter. No, of course there is no guarantee of other life out there. The only thing that seems to be guaranteed guaranteed in life is death. But, as Ellie says to the kids at the end of the movie Contact:
I'll tell you one thing about the universe, though. The universe is a pretty big place. It's bigger than anything anyone has ever dreamed of before. So if it's just us... seems like an awful waste of space. Right?
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I believe there are trillions of other intelligent and conscious living creatures in the universe besides humans. But not one of them evolved from dirt as so many brain-dead Darwinists and materialists would have us believe. I believe that Yahweh Elohim, the God of Jews and Christians, is actually an entire super-united civilization of billions of individuals (Elohim or Lords). Yahweh is not called "Yahweh of hosts" for grins and giggles. And I say this as a Christian. PS. And Yahweh is not the only ones. There are others.Mapou_{March 22, 2015
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Interestingvelikovskys_{March 22, 2015
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