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L&FP, 69: A way to understand Functionally Specific Complex Organisation and/or associated Information [FSCO/I] i/l/o Kolmogorov-Chaitin Complexity

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It seems that it is exceedingly hard for some to understand what FSCO/I is about. In responding to an objector, I wrote as follows just now, and think it is worth headlining for reference:

Where, K-Complexity is summarised by Wikipedia, as a first level point of reference that would have been immediately accessible all along:

<<In algorithmic information theory (a subfield of computer science and mathematics), the Kolmogorov complexity of an object, such as a piece of text, is the length of a shortest computer program (in a predetermined programming language) that produces the object as output. It is a measure of the computational resources needed to specify the object, and is also known as algorithmic complexity, Solomonoff–Kolmogorov–Chaitin complexity, program-size complexity, descriptive complexity, or algorithmic entropy. It is named after Andrey Kolmogorov, who first published on the subject in 1963 [1][2] and is a generalization of classical information theory.

The notion of Kolmogorov complexity can be used to state and prove impossibility results akin to Cantor’s diagonal argument, Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, and Turing’s halting problem. In particular, no program P computing a lower bound for each text’s Kolmogorov complexity can return a value essentially larger than P’s own length (see section § Chaitin’s incompleteness theorem); hence no single program can compute the exact Kolmogorov complexity for infinitely many texts.>>

From this, it is but a short step to imagine a universal constructor device which, fed a compact description in a suitable language, will construct and present the [obviously, finite] object. Let us call this the universal 3-D printer/constructor, 3-DP/C.

Thus, in principle, reduction of an organised entity to a description in a suitably compact language is formally equivalent in information terms to the object, once 3-DP/C is present as a conceptual entity. So, WLOG, reduction to compact description in a compact language d(E) is readily seen as identifying the information content of any given entity E.

For, d(E) is a program though it can simply be a functional organisational specification, as, causally in this logic-model world:

d(E) + 3-DP/C + n ==> E1, E2, . . . En.

Obviously, n is an auxiliary instruction setting the number of copies to be made.

I write ==> to imply a constructive causal process effected by a 3-DP/C.

From this we may come back to Orgel and notice his [1973] summary:

These vague idea can be made more precise by introducing the idea of information. Roughly speaking, the information content of a structure is the minimum number of instructions needed to specify the structure.

We thus have a formal framework to reduce any entity to a description d(E), which is informational and has as metric

I = length[d(E)],

where a chain of Y/N q[s will yield I in bits, on the Kolmogorov assumption of compactness. I use compact, to imply that we can get a good enough estimator of I by using something compact. We do not have to actually build a most compact language.

Then, inject random changes in d(E) and observable sensitivity to perturbation would be an index of functional specificity of organisation. As a simple case try text strings in English as d(E) and a noisy, lossy transmission medium, giving d*(E). 3-DP/C can put out text strings on d*(E) but soon enough function will vanish as d(E) becomes gibberish.

d(E) –> lossy, noisy medium –> d*(E) + 3-DP/C + 1 ==> E*1

d*(E) –> LNM –> d**(E) + 3-DP/C + 1 ==> E**1

etc.

After a few generations, gibberish predictably will destroy configuration based functional organisation, starting with text in English.

And so forth.

I trust this will help you understand what FSCO/I is about more clearly.

Overnight, illustrating:

Now of course, 3-DP/C does not exist, though we could argue that the state of the art of technology can be seen as an early, primitive partial case. Venter et al are obviously doing engineering with life forms for example. And of course typing on a keyboard and outputting to a screen or paper are very low level examples.

Technology is not the issue, a formal representation to capture information content of a functionally organised entity is.

Conceive of say a 3-DP/C putting out worlds specified by various cosmological models. We soon enough see the point of cosmological fine tuning, e.g. see Barnes:

Barnes: “What if we tweaked just two of the fundamental constants? This figure shows what the universe would look like if the strength of the strong nuclear force (which holds atoms together) and the value of the fine-structure constant (which represents the strength of the electromagnetic force between elementary particles) were higher or lower than they are in this universe. The small, white sliver represents where life can use all the complexity of chemistry and the energy of stars. Within that region, the small “x” marks the spot where those constants are set in our own universe.” (HT: New Atlantis)

Similarly, contemplate the FSCO/I in an ABU 6500CT reel, using d(E) to output:

Then, let us contemplate as a related case, the von Neumann Kinematic Self Replicator:

A von Neumann kinematic self-replicator

With these in mind, now consider the configuration space, needle in haystack search challenge:

Thence, see the significance of active information:

It is thus clear that FSCO/I is a real world concept and the design inference import it carries is real, non trivial, not incoherent, and significant. END

PS, as a frequent objector is again demanding measured values of FSCO/I on pretence that it is incoherent and un-measurable, here is a longstanding illustration put up at UD many years ago, with three specific values building on information metrics in the literature:

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Cr, of course, we may refine some rocks and construct a clock, as has been done for 1,000 years. Such clocks do embed in their functional organisation complex, functional information that can be reduced to a compact description d(E) then fed to a 3D-P/C, which would then produce a functional watch of the same type. See, illustration I added, to help those who struggle with algebra. L[d(E)] where d(E) is in some compact description language is an estimator of the functional information in E. FSCO/I is then further estimated by subtracting a threshold, 500 - 1,000 bits, to identify cases where say forest fires melting ores that pool in conveniently randomly shaped rocks then get blown together or the like will be utterly implausible and evasive. Worse, if said watch is found to be replicating itself, as Paley pointed out, such requires additional FSCO/I. Or, setting aside functional organisation, ponder text strings. There, with suitable allowance for redundancy [e,g. qu -- means most info is in the q] we can pretty directly read info content. Such as in your objections. This of course reflects how we are 200 years beyond Paley now. KFkairosfocus
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Ori: However, there is little to no FSCO/I i/l/o Kolmogorov complexity to identify.
As I said, meaningless. Unless you can explain how we measure the "FSC etc" of, well, anything.Alan Fox
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CR
Can a stone brick not be replaced with a concrete block?
Sure. Why do you ask? You seemed to have missed this:
Ori: However, there is little to no FSCO/I i/l/o Kolmogorov complexity to identify. This shows you that the term “well adapted” does not quite capture those aspects of an artifact that ID is interested in to argue for design.
Origenes
March 30, 2023
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Arguably, a brick stone is “well adapted” for a purpose.
It is? But, again…
… a rock can be used to tell time by using it as a sun dial. But it’s not well adapted to serve that purpose. You could replace it with some other rock, or even some non-rock, like a stick, tree, even a person. The knowledge of how to tell time is in us, not the rock.
Can a stone brick not be replaced with a concrete block? What about adobe? Or even rocks, found in nature, by using the knowledge in us?critical rationalist
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CR claims that "We are well adapted to use a rock to tell time, not the rock." Yet, "Bergson would no doubt ask why we build clocks in the first place. ‘He argued that if we didn’t have a prior sense of time we wouldn’t have been led to build clocks and we wouldn’t even use them … unless we wanted to go places and to events that mattered,’ says Canales. ‘You can see that their points of view were very different.’ In a theoretical nutshell this expressed perfectly the division between lived time and spacetime: subjective experience versus objective reality.,,,"
Einstein vs Bergson, science vs philosophy and the meaning of time – Wednesday 24 June 2015 Excerpt: The meeting of April 6 was supposed to be a cordial affair, though it ended up being anything but. ‘I have to say that day exploded and it was referenced over and over again in the 20th century,’ says Canales. ‘The key sentence was something that Einstein said: “The time of the philosophers did not exist.”’ It’s hard to know whether Bergson was expecting such a sharp jab. In just one sentence, Bergson’s notion of duration—a major part of his thesis on time—was dealt a mortal blow. As Canales reads it, the line was carefully crafted for maximum impact. ‘What he meant was that philosophers frequently based their stories on a psychological approach and [new] physical knowledge showed that these philosophical approaches were nothing more than errors of the mind.’ The night would only get worse. ‘This was extremely scandalous,’ says Canales. ‘Einstein had been invited by philosophers to speak at their society, and you had this physicist say very clearly that their time did not exist.’ Bergson was outraged, but the philosopher did not take it lying down. A few months later Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize for the discovery of the law of photoelectric effect, an area of science that Canales noted, ‘hardly jolted the public’s imagination’. In truth, Einstein coveted recognition for his work on relativity. Bergson inflicted some return humiliation of his own. By casting doubt on Einstein’s theoretical trajectory, Bergson dissuaded the committee from awarding the prize for relativity. In 1922, the jury was still out on the correct interpretation of time. So began a dispute that festered for years and played into the larger rift between physics and philosophy, science and the humanities. Bergson was fond of saying that time was the experience of waiting for a lump of sugar to dissolve in a glass of water. It was a declaration that one could not talk about time without reference to human consciousness and human perception. Einstein would say that time is what clocks measure. Bergson would no doubt ask why we build clocks in the first place. ‘He argued that if we didn’t have a prior sense of time we wouldn’t have been led to build clocks and we wouldn’t even use them … unless we wanted to go places and to events that mattered,’ says Canales. ‘You can see that their points of view were very different.’ In a theoretical nutshell this expressed perfectly the division between lived time and spacetime: subjective experience versus objective reality.,,, Just when Einstein thought he had it worked out, along came the discovery of quantum theory and with it the possibility of a Bergsonian universe of indeterminacy and change. God did, it seems, play dice with the universe, contra to Einstein’s famous aphorism. Some supporters went as far as to say that Bergson’s earlier work anticipated the quantum revolution of Niels Bohr and Werner Heisenberg by four decades or more. Canales quotes the literary critic Andre Rousseaux, writing at the time of Bergson’s death. ‘The Bergson revolution will be doubled by a scientific revolution that, on its own, would have demanded the philosophical revolution that Bergson led, even if he had not done it.’ Was Bergson right after all? Time will tell. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/philosopherszone/science-vs-philosophy-and-the-meaning-of-time/6539568
More specifically, "the division between lived time and spacetime: subjective experience versus objective reality" is captured with what is termed the ‘Persistence of Self-Identity" (which may also be termed ‘the experience of ‘the Now”), which is a defining quality of the immaterial mind that is irreducible to the materialistic explanations of Darwinian evolution.
The Mind and Materialist Superstition – Michael Egnor – 2008 Six “conditions of mind” that are irreconcilable with materialism: – Excerpt: Intentionality,,, Qualia,,, Persistence of Self-Identity,,, Restricted Access,,, Incorrigibility,,, Free Will,,, http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/11/the_mind_and_materialist_super013961.html Six reasons why you should believe in non-physical minds – 01/30/2014 1) First-person access to mental properties 2) Our experience of consciousness implies that we are not our bodies 3) Persistent self-identity through time 4) Mental properties cannot be measured like physical objects 5) Intentionality or About-ness 6) Free will and personal responsibility http://winteryknight.com/2014/01/30/six-reasons-why-you-should-believe-in-non-physical-minds/
The mental experience of 'the now' is far more problematic for Darwinian materialists than they apparently realize. Dr. Suarez states the irresolvable dilemma for reductive materialists as such, (paraphrase) “it is impossible for us to be ‘persons’ experiencing ‘now’ if we are nothing but particles flowing in space time. Moreover, for us to refer to ourselves as ‘persons’, we cannot refer to space-time as the ultimate substratum upon which everything exists, but must refer to a Person who is not bound by space time. (In other words) We must refer to God!”
Nothing: God’s new Name – Antoine Suarez – video Paraphrased quote: (“it is impossible for us to be ‘persons’ experiencing ‘now’ if we are nothing but particles flowing in space time. Moreover, for us to refer to ourselves as ‘persons’, we cannot refer to space-time as the ultimate substratum upon which everything exists, but must refer to a Person who is not bound by space time. i.e. We must refer to God!”) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOr9QqyaLlA
In short, we each seemingly watch from some mysterious outside perspective of time as time seemingly passes us by. Simply put, we seem to be standing on our own personal, tiny, 'island of now’ as the river of time continually flows past each of us. And in the following article Stanley Jaki states the irresolvable dilemma for materialists as such “There can be no active mind without its sensing its existence in the moment called now.,,, ,,,There is no physical parallel to the mind’s ability to extend from its position in the momentary present to its past moments, or in its ability to imagine its future. The mind remains identical with itself while it lives through its momentary nows.”
The Mind and Its Now – Stanley L. Jaki, May 2008 Excerpts: There can be no active mind without its sensing its existence in the moment called now.,,, Three quarters of a century ago Charles Sherrington, the greatest modern student of the brain, spoke memorably on the mind’s baffling independence of the brain. The mind lives in a self-continued now or rather in the now continued in the self. This life involves the entire brain, some parts of which overlap, others do not. ,,,There is no physical parallel to the mind’s ability to extend from its position in the momentary present to its past moments, or in its ability to imagine its future. The mind remains identical with itself while it lives through its momentary nows. ,,, the now is immensely richer an experience than any marvelous set of numbers, even if science could give an account of the set of numbers, in terms of energy levels. The now is not a number. It is rather a word, the most decisive of all words. It is through experiencing that word that the mind comes alive and registers all existence around and well beyond. ,,, All our moments, all our nows, flow into a personal continuum, of which the supreme form is the NOW which is uncreated, because it simply IS. http://metanexus.net/essay/mind-and-its-now
In fact, around 1935 Einstein was directly asked by Rudolf Carnap (who was also a fairly well respected philosopher of his time), “Can physics demonstrate the existence of ‘the now’ in order to make the notion of ‘now’ into a scientifically valid term?”
“Can physics demonstrate the existence of ‘the now’ in order to make the notion of ‘now’ into a scientifically valid term?” Rudolf Carnap – Philosopher
Einstein’s answer to Carnap was ‘categorical’, he said, “The experience of ‘the now’ cannot be turned into an object of physical measurement, it can never be a part of physics.”
The Mind and Its Now – May 22, 2008 – By Stanley L. Jaki Excerpt: ,,, Rudolf Carnap, and the only one among them who was bothered with the mind’s experience of its now. His concern for this is noteworthy because he went about it in the wrong way. He thought that physics was the only sound way to know and to know anything. It was therefore only logical on his part that he should approach, we are around 1935, Albert Einstein, the greatest physicist of the day, with the question whether it was possible to turn the experience of the now into a scientific knowledge. Such knowledge must of course be verified with measurement. We do not have the exact record of Carnap’s conversation with Einstein whom he went to visit in Princeton, at eighteen hours by train at that time from Chicago. But from Einstein’s reply which Carnap jotted down later, it is safe to assume that Carnap reasoned with him as outlined above. Einstein’s answer was categorical: The experience of the now cannot be turned into an object of physical measurement. It can never be part of physics. http://metanexus.net/essay/mind-and-its-now Stanley L. Jaki: “The Mind and Its Now” https://vimeo.com/10588094
The specific statement that Einstein made to Carnap on the train, “The experience of ‘the now’ cannot be turned into an object of physical measurement, it can never be a part of physics.” was a very interesting statement for Einstein to make to the philosopher since “The experience of ‘the now’ has, from many recent experiments in quantum mechanics, established itself as very much being a defining part of our physical measurements in quantum mechanics.
from multiple lines of experimental evidence, (i.e. Wheeler’s delayed choice experiment with atoms, the violation of Leggett’s inequality, the Quantum Zeno effect, Quantum information theory, Quantum entanglement in time, and quantum contextuality, etc..), Einstein’s belief that “The experience of ‘the now’ cannot be turned into an object of physical measurement, it can never be a part of physics” has been thoroughly, and impressively, falsified.,,, March 2023 - https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/is-there-a-center-of-the-universe/#comment-777672
In fact, I hold that it would now be much more appropriate to rephrase Einstein’s answer to the philosopher Rudolph Carnap in this way; “It is impossible for “the experience of ‘the now’” to ever be divorced from physical measurement, it will always be a part of physics.” Thus CR may claim that humans "are well adapted to use a rock to tell time, not the rock" but the fact of the matter is that we could never tell time in the first place unless we first had an immaterial mind with the subjective experience of 'the now' which is completely transcendent of space time itself. Without that 'outside perspective' of 'the now' we simply could not tell if time was passing in the first place. Moreover, our ability to tell time, i.e. 'the now', is shown, via quantum mechanics, to precede the existence of space-time, matter-energy, itself and is therefore irreducible to the reductive materialistic explanations, (i.e. just-so stories), of Darwinian evolution. Verse:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
bornagain77
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Emergent! Emergent! No intelligence required!
As I just said in comment #22, I am comfortable with the idea of some Deistic Creator setting up this universe with all that that entails, including emergent properties. Water is not like oxygen and hydrogen. (Google sp3). But I cannot think why this Deistic Creator created this universe? Science cannot answer "why" questions. Philosophy asks such questions but so far fails to find answers. Religion? Most here would be better placed than me to offer the religious answer to this "why".Alan Fox
March 30, 2023
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I find it quite reasonable to assume a Deistic Creator of the Universe as the answer to "Design", apart from motive. Why did the Creator create the Universe and everything in it? I have no idea, myself. I suggest the question is unanswerable.Alan Fox
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...to argue for design.
Are you arguing that entities display an aspect of being designed. I think that argument, as far as it goes, is won. What would be far more interesting would be some sort of demonstration that entities are "Designed" and what that process of "Design" entails. What "Designed"? How did it "Design"? Where did it "Design"? When did it "Design"? And the biggie... Why did it "Design"?Alan Fox
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However, there is little to no FSCO/I i/l/o Kolmogorov complexity to identify.
Baseless (meaningless, really) assumption unless you can explain how to measure "FSC" and its growing undefined variants. Can you distinguish whether a brick stone (?) indeed has little or no "FSC"?Alan Fox
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Thanks for confirming your penchant for inappropriate analogies, KF. An oil refinery is like a living cell. Mind you, neither refineries nor living cells break the (descriptive and predictive) laws of physics or chemistry.Alan Fox
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AF, the process-flow reaction set as a whole is highly complex, key to life and easily exceeds the organisation of an oil refinery. KFkairosfocus
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CR Arguably, a brick stone is "well adapted" for a purpose. However, there is little to no FSCO/I i/l/o Kolmogorov complexity to identify. This shows you that the term "well adapted" does not quite capture those aspects of an artifact that ID is interested in to argue for design.Origenes
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AF, metabolising, encapsulated, smart gated, coded information using self replicating cell. KF
Nice poster! I, as an undergraduate, had a much earlier version on my wall way back. It shows how much progress has been made over the last half-century in biochemistry. What have "Intelligent Design" and its proponents contributed to that advance? As everyone here seems to like poor analogies (in fact, KF's poster can be described as a poor analogy of what happens inside a living cell) note how all the chemical pathways illustrated involve small steps and chemical intermediates. A bit like biological evolution with transitional species.Alan Fox
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From an earlier thread, starting out regarding information.
Only organized systems are well adapted to serve a purpose. Strings that are random, in they merely have some order, are adapted, but not well adapted. If you can swap one string’s content with the content of some other random string and it has no impact on how well it serves purpose of, say, being the recipe of a bacterium, then it wasn’t well adapted to serve that purpose in the first place. Both strings are both equally poorly adapted at serving that purpose. Their ability to serve that purpose does not get any worse. However, if a string that is well adapted to serve the purpose of being the recipe for a bacterium, then you cannot replace it with just any other string. Right? You cannot change it without causing a significant reduction in its ability to serve that purpose. If you could, then it’s unclear how the string was actually playing the role of the recipe of a bacterium in the first place. Again, a rock can be used to tell time by using it as a sun dial. But it’s not well adapted to serve that purpose. You could replace it with some other rock, or even some non-rock, like a stick, tree, even a person. The knowledge of how to tell time is in us, not the rock. However, this is not the case with the watch. It is well adapted to serve the purpose of telling time. You cannot vary it significantly without a corresponding reduction in its ability to tell time.
Is this not a more fundamental way of saying the same thing? IOW, Paley perfected the criteria for the appearance of design.
Oddly, functional specificity was easier, it is easy to see that for configuration-sensitive function, missing, disoriented, poorly coupled, defective or missing parts, beyond reasonable tolerance, will undermine function.
When something is well adapted to serve a purpose (configuration-sensitive), changing it will cause it to serve that purpose less, if even at all (undermine function).
So, the issue will not fit into the small bag you are trying to stuff it into to disregard key issues that make all the difference.
See above. It's unclear how the criteria of being well adapted to serve a purpose is a small bag. It's a more fundamental criterion that actual scales. It's a far bigger bag. In fact, it's a bag that is so big it has universal reach. As I pointed out in an earlier thread...
No, I pointed out that the means by which you might choose to represent the watch, in bits, would vary wildly depending on the particular digital format you choose to represent it. Right? For example, the very same watch could appear to have wildly more or less of the appearance of design depending on what format you happened to chose to represent it, digitally. If you store it as a 12K by 12K png, that would be vastly more bits than, say, parametric format. You’d have to somehow use the most efficient digital representation possible, and that format might not have even been invented yet. For example, someone just recently invented a way to reduce the size of a Neural Radiance Field by 100 times. As such, did a watch represented as an NRF suddenly just have much less of the appearance of design? And what about a description in a string of text? Words are shortcuts for ideas, which would represent other information in the receiver, etc. As such, it’s unclear how this could be accurately used, in practice, to identify how much a thing has the appearance of design. Being well adapted to serve a purpose does not have this problem, as it would be format independent and wouldn’t even require a digital representation at all. It simply scales in ways FSCO/I cannot. Again, a watch is well adapted to the purpose of telling time. A rock is not, despite the fact that you can use it to tell time as a sundial. We are well adapted to use a rock to tell time, not the rock. I don’t even need to appeal to Auto CAD, etc.
To reiterate, I have still yet to see an example of how the shoe does't fit. It's that you seem to object to wearing it consistently. At this point, you seem to be hung up on having the "right definition" of words, as opposed to actually addressing the ideas and explanatory theories they represent.critical rationalist
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W, correction for record. KFkairosfocus
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CR, Paley addresses contrivance, there is an onward issue of information content in such organisation, and then a further issue of a threshold beyond which it is maximally implausible that blind chance and/or mechanical necessity are maximally implausible as causal explanations. Until we had a quantifiable metric for information then for inferring information quantity in organisation, we could not address functionally specific, complex information. That is, until K-complexity was on the table the general issue could not be tackled. Though, explicit information such as in DNA could be addressed as the information content is readily accessible; the 500 - 1000 bit threshold obtains for this case also. Oddly, functional specificity was easier, it is easy to see that for configuration-sensitive function, missing, disoriented, poorly coupled, defective or missing parts, beyond reasonable tolerance, will undermine function. So, the issue will not fit into the small bag you are trying to stuff it into to disregard key issues that make all the difference. KFkairosfocus
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It seems that it is exceedingly hard for some to understand what FSCO/I is about. In responding to an objector, I wrote as follows just now, and think it is worth headlining for reference:
Paley make it really simple. The criterion for the appearance of deign is being well adapted to serve a purpose. Nothing in the OP doesn't fit this criteria.critical rationalist
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Alan Fox That is inherent in the emergent properties of RNA. It happens without any codes being necessary or involved.
Why you keep talking with Alan Fox is a mystery for me.whistler
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AF, metabolising, encapsulated, smart gated, coded information using self replicating cell. KFkairosfocus
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Andrew at 8, And there you have it. :)relatd
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It's an Emergent Property of my Comments to be Absolutely Metaphysically Correct. Andrewasauber
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AF at 6, Emergent! Emergent! No intelligence required! Warning: The first sock volley is on its way.relatd
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...you have to get to self replication...
That is inherent in the emergent properties of RNA. It happens without any codes being necessary or involved.Alan Fox
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AF, you have to get to self replication, much less sexual reproduction. But the point is to show how we can identify FSCO/I i/l/o Kolmogorov complexity. KFkairosfocus
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What process of evolution?
In populations of sexually reproducing species, genetic mutations and other sources of variation (google meiosis) result in new genetic combinations (genotypes) resulting in changed phenotypes that are subject to performance testing in their immediate niche environment, leading to differential reproductive success and change in allele frequency. With bacteria, things are much simpler but easier to observe. https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8Alan Fox
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AF at 2, What process of evolution? Note: I have my Multiple Sock Launcher on standby...relatd
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It is thus clear that FSCO/I is a real world concept and the design inference import it carries is real, non trivial, not incoherent, and significant. END
That "thus" is doing a lot of work. Still you give no clue how to quantify "FSCO" for any entity, system, or process. It certainly has no relevance to living systems or the process of evolutionAlan Fox
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L&FP, 69: A way to understand Functionally Specific Complex Organisation and/or associated Information [FSCO/I] i/l/o Kolmogorov-Chaitin Complexity --> or, how d(E) + 3-DP/C + n ==> E, through Kolmogorov-Chaitin Complexity, can help us understand FSCO/I, the design inference and fine tuning etckairosfocus
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