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Dawkins’ Philosophical Incoherence

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In River out of Eden : A Darwinian View of Life Richard Dawkins wrote:

The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. As that unhappy poet A.E. Housman put it: ‘For Nature, heartless, witless Nature Will neither care nor know.’ DNA neither cares nor knows. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.

In a 2007 New Scientist/Greenpeace Science debate, Dawkins said:

Far from being the most selfish, exploitative species, Homo sapiens is the only species that has at least the possibility of rebelling against the otherwise universally selfish Darwinian impulse . . . If any species in the history of life has the possibility of breaking away from short term selfishness and of long term planning for the distant future, it’s our species. We are earth’s last best hope even if we are simultaneously, the species most capable of destroying life on the planet. But when it comes to taking the long view, we are literally unique. Because the long view is not a view that has ever been taken before in whole history of life. If we don’t plan for the future, no other species will . . .

Dawkins’ does not seem to understand that he cannot have his cake and eat it too, and that leads the world’s most prominent atheist/evolutionary biologist to make mutually exclusive truth claims that I would expect the average high school freshman to avoid. Let us examine a couple:

1. DNA is all there is, and we dance to its music. Yet it is possible for Homo sapiens to rebel against DNA. But how can DNA rebel against itself? I cannot rise above myself. I cannot reach down, grab my bootstraps, and pull myself off the floor.

2. There is no good and no evil. Yet Homo sapiens has the capability of planning for the future (presumably to avoid an undesired outcome or achieve a desired outcome). But if there is no good and no evil, on what grounds should we desire any particular outcome and plan for it?

UPDATE BELOW THE FOLD

From the comments, it seems that the 1st conclusion above is not as obvious as I thought it was.  Let me try to spell it out in small steps.

1. Dawkins is a philosophical materialist.

2. Philosophical materialism compels the conclusion that mind does not exist and that what we call “mind” is an illusion, an epiphenomenon of the chemical processes of the brain.

3. Consequently, to remain logically coherent Dawkins must believe in a pure biological reductionism. And he does. His statement “DNA neither cares nor knows. DNA just is. And we dance to its music” is just another way for Dawkins to say, “Look everyone! I’m a dyed-in-the-wool biological reductionist.” I would have thought that is obvious, but apparently it is not.

4. Biological determinism is an inescapable corollary to biological reductionism. In other words, if every choice we make can be reduced to the chemical processes of the brain, free will is an illusion. This is what Dawkins means when he says we dance to DNA’s music.

5. Then, having said that free will is an illusion, Dawkins sounds like a Cartesian dualist in the Greenpeace debate. He says it is possible for us to “rebel” against the “otherwise universally selfish Darwinian impulse.” If this is not special pleading, I do not know what is.

6. The selfish Darwinian impulse is universal, Dawkins says. We dance to DNA’s music. Our every choice is utterly determined. Free will is an illusion. No, wait, Dawkins replies. The Darwinian impulse is only nearly universal. “I” can rebel against it. Here’s the problem. If we accept Dawkins’ initial premises, the conclusion that “I” can rebel against biological determinism is pure gibberish for the simple reason that the “I” in that statement does not exist. There is only matter in motion, and matter in motion cannot “rebel” against itself. Indeed, the concept of matter in motion rebelling against matter in motion is logically incoherent. If Dawkins’ initial premises are correct, my body is nothing but a complex biological machine, and the self-awareness I feel is an illusion. Therefore, the very idea that “I” have a “choice” about whether to follow selfish Darwinian impulses is meaningless.

So we see that Dawkins is not just any sort of fool.  He is a simpering gutless fool.  He wants to have his atheism with its concomitant materialism, but he does not have the courage to face the earth shattering metaphysical conclusions that follow ineluctability from his premises.  Instead, he tries to smuggle foundational ethics (of a particularly Christian variety at that!) in through the back door.  He shirks not only in ethics but also in politics.  See here.

Give me Nietzsche over Dawkins any day.  One can disagree with Nietzsche, yet still come away with a sort of respect for his courage.  Nietzsche never simpered nor shirked.  He faced the terrifying conclusions of his premises head on.  In our time Will Provine follows in Nietzsche’s footsteps and takes his atheism seriously:  “Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent.”  Evolution: Free Will and Punishment and Meaning in Life, Second Annual Darwin Day Celebration Keynote Address.

Comments
Barry you're mis-interpreting Dawkins:
1. DNA is all there is, and we dance to its music.
Where does Dawkins say that? Has says "DNA just is", but where does he suggest that it is all there is?
Yet it is possible for Homo sapiens to rebel against DNA. But how can DNA rebel against itself?
I don't know about you, but I'm made up of more than DNA: I have a bit of protein and a few other things. More seriously, nobody is a simple product of their genes, and not even Dawkins would argue that. We are also a product of our environment. We are more than the product of our DNA sequence.Heinrich
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#14 DATCG 2 -Yes, philosophers who hold that "the mind is material but that doesn’t make it an illusion" are, not surprisingly, materialist on all other matters. 4 - Compatabilism is a long-standing school of thought about free will. Rather than repeat it all here may I refer you to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry If you wish to dismiss this all as semantics then you need to dismiss the ideas of philosophers such as Hobbes, Hume, Strawson and Dennett as semantics. Maybe they are wrong but you can hardly prove it by just asserting it is all incoherent or just semantics.markf
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KF, "So, much of what goes on I find to be verbal obfuscation of circles of a priori materialism that ends up fatally self-referring into incoherence." mmmHmmm...mmmHmmm...mmmHmmm...yumhum;,.emerging cakeDATCG
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markf, #2 cute, are they materialist? tell Dawkins #4 this does not exonerate Dawkins, but please do elaborate I'm not interested in semantics. Dawkins statements are incoherant.DATCG
August 1, 2010
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MF: When we look at those views, the underlying points BA makes come to bear. In materialistic views, as he addressed, mental phenomena become an upper story, driven and controlled by the mill-gears grinding away at one another on cause-effect through mechanism and statistical manifestations of chance. There is no room for a genuine I who can think credibly and infer logically, without the taint of the grinding neurological gears programmed by aeons of blind forces and psycho-social conditioning, most of it below the reach of consciousness. (Which last is not accounted for save by the poof-magic of "emergence.") So, much of what goes on I find to be verbal obfuscation of circles of a priori materialism that ends up fatally self-referring into incoherence. GEM of TKI.kairosfocus
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#10 Barry - many very respectable philosophers disagree with "small steps" 2 and 4 (as do I). 2 - "Mind" may be material but that doesn't make it an illusion. 4 - There is a long tradition of free will being compatible with determinism. I have no idea whether Dawkins suscribes to either of these.markf
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Clearly Dawkins' philosphy is incoherent. There is almost nothing to say about it. He is the latest in a long list of incoherent philosophers. How anyone could miss the metaphysic in Dawkins' statements (not the least of which is Dawkins himself) is a testimony to the blindness of so much of modern culture. How interesting it is (though ancient and taking many forms), that a person can believe the underlying and ultimate reality is meaningless or untrustworthy, and yet believe in the possibility that we can overcome that ourselves. The idea that we are able to become greater than reality (in the natural sense of course) is nonsensical on the face of it. In doing so we would have to become what can only be described as God or gods. We would by necessity posess what could only be defined as supernatural abilites. Isn't that implication (or temptation) the very thing that begot the fall of man? That is what Satan said. "...you shall become as God" That should be a clue to many who do not have one or resist the dots already being connected for them. There is nothing new under the sun...Lock
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To problem with Dawkins is the same problem I find with many atheists; while they believe the universe is pointless and pitiless they don't *live* as if they really believe that to be the true state of affairs. In fact, they try very, very hard to find meaning in a meaningless universe. It seems to be a very unusual thing to do, to pour their lives into trying to convince others that nothing really matters.gleaner63
July 31, 2010
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Barry, I think you are quite correct that Dawkins is philosophically incoherent on a number of points, but I'm not sure the example you used is the best one. However, we can draw one from the quotes provided. First we have:
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
And then in the next quote we read:
We are earth’s last best hope even if we are simultaneously, the species most capable of destroying life on the planet. But when it comes to taking the long view, we are literally unique. Because the long view is not a view that has ever been taken before in whole history of life. If we don’t plan for the future, no other species will . . .
If the first quote is true, then why ought it matter if we plan for the future or not. And, plan for what? The implication is we have the power to create or destroy...to good or do evil...but if the universe really is at bottom cold, pitiless and indifferent, who cares? For that matter, why bother to care? Dawkins seems to want to imply in the second quote that somehow we can and should rise above the plans of our genes and create a different future. But the first quote forces the question, why bother? Dawkins real incoherence is that he has no basis whatsoever for preferring one outcome or choice over another where we humans are concerned, other than his own personal preference. But who cares what his personal preference might be. On the other hand, if there really is an objective, transcendent reason to prefer one outcome over another, then his first quote is meaningless. Taking Dawkins on his own terms, I'm just cold,pitiless and indifferent to his personal preference.
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John Lennox brought this quote up in his debate with Dawkins in which Dawkins replied along the lines of, "We can rebel against the "selfish gene" by using condoms when we have sex, eliminating (for the most part) any chance of reproducing." Being that evolutions "goal" is survival, reproduction being key, it is in this way we can rebel. The problem with this reasoning is that regardless of what you do, you only do said things because you evolved to think you'd want/have to make such decisions. You decide to wear a condom during sex because you evolved not to want to have a child at the moment or get an STD. Of course, you wouldn't really be deciding anything, you're under the illusion that you're making decisions. magnan@5: Even if the selfish gene theory was valid, this would not imply that evolved intelligence could not also have evolved an independent mechanism... Said mechanism would still be subject to the very process that created it. You can't evolve to escape evolution, all life would be created through it and all life is controlled by it. You can't say such a mechanism would enable said intelligence to go against "evolutionary imperatives" because evolution has no imperatives. Evolution is a mindless, unguided process that produces what it produces. If you assume Darwinian evolution a fact, you must accept that all of your senses are a result of it and because of this, you have no real way of knowing if what you evolved to sense is true, including evolution itself. If you evolved through the process of evolution, you are subject to it and it alone. No rebelling, no freewill, no decision making, no planning ahead, you are and always will be dancing to its music. If we don’t plan for the future, no other species will . . . Unless, of course, another species evolves to...Scruffy
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If there is cake, it will evolve.Mung
July 31, 2010
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Dawkins is being somewhat poetic, but I think there is a difference between "DNA is all there is" and "DNA just is". The first phrase implies that DNA is the sole determinate of our behaviour. The second simply acknowledges that whether we like it or not, DNA exists and we are products of it, but does not exclude the possibility that our behaviour cannot rise above a strictly determinate relationship between who we are and our DNA. At least, that's my take on his entire statement taken in context.NormO
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I am an ID advocate, but this just doesn't wash as some sort of incoherence or contradiction. "1. DNA is all there is, and we dance to its music. Yet it is possible for Homo sapiens to rebel against DNA. But how can DNA rebel against itself? I cannot rise above myself. I cannot reach down, grab my bootstraps, and pull myself off the floor." Even if the selfish gene theory was valid, this would not imply that evolved intelligence could not also have evolved an independent mechanism of internal self awareness and complexity that allows choice at a higher level sometimes against evolutionary imperatives. In other words, self awareness would have evolved to respond to the environment in order to survive, and this inevitably enabled the capability to make choices which go against survival. Like the Holocaust rescuers. "2. There is no good and no evil. Yet Homo sapiens has the capability of planning for the future (presumably to avoid an undesired outcome or achieve a desired outcome). But if there is no good and no evil, on what grounds should we desire any particular outcome and plan for it?" Whether or not there are no ultimate metaphysical/ spiritual/moral good and evil, humans obviously desire one thing or another based on other factors such as desire for pleasure and fear of pain. At a minimum, no other motivations are really required (though they may exist).magnan
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Seqenenre writes: Dawkins: “DNA just is. And we dance to its music” Arrington: “DNA is all there is, and we dance to its music.” No, Seqenenre, you tell us the difference. This should be interesting.Barry Arrington
July 31, 2010
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It's absurdities such as these that dawkins explicates that make some of his fellow atheists such as Ruse state that dawkins' work is an embarrasment to atheism and that he is out of his depth on matters of philosophy. It's really sad how fanatical this man is.above
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Dawkins: "DNA just is. And we dance to its music" Arrington: "DNA is all there is, and we dance to its music." Spot the difference.Seqenenre
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Dawkins want there to be no cake and to eat it too.RkBall
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