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If You are Going to Be an Atheist, at Least be a Courageous Atheist

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As I have often written in these pages, happy-faced New Atheists are simpering cowards. They say you are a cosmic accident with no more intrinsic value than a grub worm.  There is no meaning.  There is no foundation for ethics.  Everything you do is utterly determined by impersonal natural forces, so free will cannot exist.  Indeed, even “you” cannot exist, because the most primordial of your experiences – your subjective self-awareness – is an illusion.

But, hey, be happy.

Barf.

There is a glaring disconnect between their premises and the conclusions that must follow from those premises, and their unwarranted optimism.  Cowards that they are – they steadfastly avert their gaze from their conclusions so they can retain their optimism.

I can respect (while disagreeing with) a sincere atheist.  Faith – even a reasoned and reasonable faith like Christianity – can be hard.  I am currently reading Job.  That book is, above all, a study in the difficulty of believing in a loving God who, nevertheless, allows evil to exist.  I can certainly understand – and continue to respect and even love – someone who wrestled with that difficulty and succumbed.  My own grandfather lost his faith when one of his sons died.  Yet he had a profound impact on my life, and I loved him dearly until the day he died.

My grandfather was not an optimist; he was deeply pessimistic and cynical, some of which I absorbed.  For example, I learned at his knee that the government sometimes lies to us.  One of my earliest memories – I was probably six or seven – was sitting in my grandfather’s living room watching a news anchor report the latest communist body count numbers from Vietnam.  Papa yelled at the TV, “Shaw, shaw, shaw; they’ve killed everyone in North Vietnam three times.”  Decades later we all learned he was right, that the government had grossly inflated those numbers to prop up support for the war.

The atheists who comment in these pages loudly insist that atheists can be good people.  And I have never disagreed with them.  I am not disgusted by atheists as such.  I am disgusted by the cowardly atheists who whistle past the graveyard while refusing to gaze into Nietzsche’s abyss.  A sincere and honest Christian must wrestle with the theodicy.  A sincere and honest atheist must wrestle with despair.

Camus (Kam-oo) was a brave atheist.  And, given his premises, there cannot be the slightest doubt that he was right when he said the only interesting question is whether to kill yourself in the face of the patent absurdity of life without meaning.

Camus would be just as disgusted with the smiley-faced New Atheists as I am.

UPDATE:  Perhaps Camus had read Dostoyevsky.  In The Possessed, the character Kirillov was an atheist and a nihilist.  Shortly before taking his own life Kirillov, says, “I can’t understand how an atheist could know that there is no God and not kill himself on the spot.”  HT: Dick

Here is the Stanford article on Camus for those interested in a more in-depth look at his views.  An excerpt:

“There is only one really serious philosophical problem,” Camus says, “and that is suicide. Deciding whether or not life is worth living is to answer the fundamental question in philosophy. All other questions follow from that” (MS, 3). One might object that suicide is neither a “problem” nor a “question,” but an act. A proper, philosophical question might rather be: “Under what conditions is suicide warranted?” And a philosophical answer might explore the question, “What does it mean to ask whether life is worth living?” as William James did in The Will to Believe. For the Camus of The Myth of Sisyphus, however, “Should I kill myself?” is the essential philosophical question. For him, it seems clear that the primary result of philosophy is action, not comprehension. His concern about “the most urgent of questions” is less a theoretical one than it is the life-and-death problem of whether and how to live.

Camus sees this question of suicide as a natural response to an underlying premise, namely that life is absurd in a variety of ways. As we have seen, both the presence and absence of life (i.e., death) give rise to the condition: it is absurd to continually seek meaning in life when there is none, and it is absurd to hope for some form of continued existence after death given that the latter results in our extinction. But Camus also thinks it absurd to try to know, understand, or explain the world, for he sees the attempt to gain rational knowledge as futile.

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c. r. But how do you know what the purpose actually is? Thank you for that. A perfectly succinct summary of the dilemma of the materialist. A dilemma as mind set which requires a certain psychological state as prerequisite. At the risk of oversimplification, such a mind set can be simply described as fear. The fear is existential and is fear of our source or more properly our Source and our future encounter with. How can one have a deep intuitive feeling of one's purpose in such a state? A personal note. My life has been a double decker sandwich of two periods of materialist fundamentalism sandwiched between the typical universal early childhood belief, a middle period of interest in mysticism and and current dualist interest in transpersonal psychology. My second materialistic period (ca. age 28) saw infrequent lapses into dope smoking which sometimes led me into a metaphysical terror based on a perceived inevitable annihilation of my being. Such an existence was not bound to last, and ended at age 32 with a realization that my stance was not sustainable, along with a sudden personal interest in studying the literature regarding psychedelic therapy and its corroboration of what Aldous Huxley called the "perennial philosophy" at the core of all traditions. You know what? for several days after regaining belief in my own immutable core being, I literally perceived a cosmic host rejoicing at my return to the path of sanity. Pretty remarkable for someone just a few days before a committed atheist. Here is how Grof puts it, when materialists confront in themselves the cosmic implications of a shattering encounter with birth and death in deep experiential psychotherapy (sometimes with the aid of psychedelics): "The individual comes to realize, through these [perinatal] experiences, that no matter what he does in his life, he cannot escape the inevitable; he will have to leave this world bereft of everything that he has accumulated and achieved and to which he has been emotionally attached. The similarity between birth and death - the startling realization that the beginning of life is the same as its end - is the major philosophical issue that accompanies the perinatal experiences. The other important consequence of the shocking emotional and physical encounter with the phenomenon of death is the opening up of areas of spiritual and religious experiences that appear to be an intrinsic part of the human personality and are independent of the individual's cultural and religious background and programming. In my experience, everyone who has reached these levels develops convincing insights into the utmost relevance of the spiritual and religious dimensions in the universal scheme of things. Even hard-core materialists, positively oriented scientists, skeptics and cynics, and uncompromising Marxist philosophers suddenly became interested in a spiritual search after they confronted these levels in themselves." (Realms Of The Human Unconscious pp 95-96) Note the important phrase "an intrinsic part of the human personality" In other words materialists due to their perceived involuntary psychology, have cut themselves off from an intrinsic part of their being and cannot help but post questions like the one above by Critical Rationalist.groovamos
February 25, 2018
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critical rationalist @ 29: You say that as if people haven't described human fetuses as "clumps of cells" and "simple as a potato", where people run puppy mills. You're assuming we wouldn't have buildings full of growing embryos that get poured into the trash like surplus milk at the end of the season. Technology doesn't solve morality.LocalMinimum
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“On related note: The rate of abortions in so-called Christian countries has skyrocketed. Who should be blamed?”
Unless something is prohibited by the laws of physics, the only thing that would prevent us from achieving it is knowing how. This would include the knowledge of how to transfer embryos into women who cannot conceive to build artificial wombs that could bring them to term for adoption for parents who cannot have children of their own. IOW, we don't need a miracle. We just need the knowledge of how to make the necessary transformations. Does God possess this knowledge? If so, it seems that it would be simple for him to provide us this moral knowledge, as he supposedly provides other moral knowledge. What gives?critical rationalist
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@Origenes
Life having no meaning is only a minor problem. That is, if I were an atheist, the non-existence of rationality, fee will and personhood would be a more prominent reason for acute depression.
Except you'd have to add the assumption that reason and rationality comes from authoritative sources. That's a philosophical assumption we do not share. IOW, you're projecting your problem on me.critical rationalist
February 25, 2018
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“On related note: The rate of abortions in so-called Christian countries has skyrocketed. Who should be blamed?” Actually, abortion rates have been declining. Is it because people are increasingly only having sex for procreation purposes? Not bloody likely. Or is it because more Christians are doing what I chose to do decades ago and not listen to the priest about birth control? Christianity, like any other faith, is greatly affected by those who find themselves in positions of power within their respective religious denomination. The world would be a much better place if followers were more courageous and questioned what they were being told “as gospel” by their leaders.Molson Bleu
February 25, 2018
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"Catholic dogmas are killing people in Africa" https://www.salon.com/2015/11/30/catholic_dogmas_are_killing_people_in_africa/J-Mac
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My problem is understanding the idea that one should kill oneself because life had no meaning. Why?
Life having no meaning is only a minor problem. That is, if I were an atheist, the non-existence of rationality, fee will and personhood would be a more prominent reason for acute depression.Origenes
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Aeneas Pietas @ 14
Well, you know what they say: there is never an atheist in a foxhole
Military Association of Atheists and FreethinkersSeversky
February 25, 2018
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J-Mac@21 It's estimated from various polls that world wide about 85% of Catholics use birth control. That includes Africa though the percent there is probably somewhat lower. Apparently that teaching from the Church is not very effective nor believed. I'm not Catholic and have no love loss towards the Catholic church. Happy to lay problems that they cause at their feet but in the case of HIV in Africa it's not rampant because of the Catholic Church or their stance on condoms. Catholics only make up 16% of sub-Saharan Africa of which at least 70% are happy to use condoms. Not that influential one way or the other in the HIV epidemic.Latemarch
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"Did you know that they believe that HIV can be cured by deflowering a virgin?" Could using a condom help?J-Mac
February 24, 2018
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@20 Latemarch, Why would religious people use condoms, if hell fire is supposedly awaiting them for doing so? Can you see the contradiction?J-Mac
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J-Mac@19
So, do you deny the prohibition to use contraceptives, such as condoms, by the Holy See?
No. What I deny is that it has anything to do with why they refuse to use condoms. Did you know that they believe that HIV can be cured by deflowering a virgin?Latemarch
February 24, 2018
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Latemarch, So, do you deny the prohibition to use contraceptives, such as condoms, by the Holy See?J-Mac
February 24, 2018
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Re: J-Mac Luke 6:22,23 (NET) “Blessed are you when people hate you, and when they exclude you and insult you and reject you as evil on account of the Son of Man! Rejoice in that day, and jump for joy, because your reward is great in heaven. For their ancestors did the same things to the prophets."
On related note: The rate of abortions in so-called Christian countries has skyrocketed. Who should be blamed? The Christians who have too much sex but can’t afford to raise the family of too many kids? How about the Church that insists that contraceptives are the curse from Satan?
It's not the Christians having abortions. And hardly anyone pays attention to the teachings of the Catholic Church on contraception.
BTW: There are thousands of villages in Africa where there are no adults because they all died of HIV. If the Church allowed the use of condoms, the majority would have been saved.
As if you had even the vaguest notion of the root causes of the HIV epidemic in Africa. Would it be too much to ask you to educate yourself?Latemarch
February 24, 2018
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On related note: The rate of abortions in so-called Christian countries has skyrocketed. Who should be blamed? The Christians who have too much sex but can't afford to raise the family of too many kids? How about the Church that insists that contraceptives are the curse from Satan? BTW: There are thousands of villages in Africa where there are no adults because they all died of HIV. If the Church allowed the use of condoms, the majority would have been saved. I think the Lord must have been proud of those Christians that stuck to the Church dogma rather God's command to value human life...J-Mac
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Whether or not atheists have the courage to 'gaze into Nietzsche’s abyss', the hopelessness inherent to the atheist's worldview still rears its ugly head and, regardless, still takes its toll on their life:
“I maintain that whatever else faith may be, it cannot be a delusion. The advantageous effect of religious belief and spirituality on mental and physical health is one of the best-kept secrets in psychiatry and medicine generally. If the findings of the huge volume of research on this topic had gone in the opposite direction and it had been found that religion damages your mental health, it would have been front-page news in every newspaper in the land.” - Professor Andrew Sims former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists - Is Faith Delusion?: Why religion is good for your health - preface https://books.google.com/books?id=PREdCgAAQBAJ&pg=PR11#v=onepage&q&f=false “In the majority of studies, religious involvement is correlated with well-being, happiness and life satisfaction; hope and optimism; purpose and meaning in life; higher self-esteem; better adaptation to bereavement; greater social support and less loneliness; lower rates of depression and faster recovery from depression; lower rates of suicide and fewer positive attitudes towards suicide; less anxiety; less psychosis and fewer psychotic tendencies; lower rates of alcohol and drug use and abuse; less delinquency and criminal activity; greater marital stability and satisfaction… We concluded that for the vast majority of people the apparent benefits of devout belief and practice probably outweigh the risks.” - Professor Andrew Sims former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists - Is Faith Delusion?: Why religion is good for your health – page 100 https://books.google.com/books?id=PREdCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false Atheism and health A meta-analysis of all studies, both published and unpublished, relating to religious involvement and longevity was carried out in 2000. Forty-two studies were included, involving some 126,000 subjects. Active religious involvement increased the chance of living longer by some 29%, and participation in public religious practices, such as church attendance, increased the chance of living longer by 43%.[4][5] http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_health Can attending church really help you live longer? This study says yes - June 1, 2017 Excerpt: Specifically, the study says those middle-aged adults who go to church, synagogues, mosques or other houses of worship reduce their mortality risk by 55%. The Plos One journal published the "Church Attendance, Allostatic Load and Mortality in Middle Aged Adults" study May 16. "For those who did not attend church at all, they were twice as likely to die prematurely than those who did who attended church at some point over the last year," Bruce said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/06/02/can-attending-church-really-help-you-live-longer-study-says-yes/364375001/ Of snakebites and suicide - February 18, 2014 RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/of-snakebites-and-suicide/
bornagain77
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I'd say Billy Graham was one of those cowards who knew what was right; what he should be doing but never got around to do it because his influential friends would have been disappointed with his actions... If you choose friendship with the politician over the friendship with the Lord, how can you expect to be in the presence of the Lord after you die, if you betrayed the Lord? I may not be a smart man, but I know where Billy's love was...J-Mac
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Well, you know what they say: there is never an atheist in a foxhole.Aeneas Pietas
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"If You are Going to Be an Atheist, at Least be a Courageous Atheist I'd say the same should apply to Christians: If You are Going to Be an Christian, at Least be a Courageous Christian. What I mean by that is, if a Christian can't face the reality because his Christian faith prevents him from doing so, he or she is a coward, the same way an atheists is a coward who can't face the reality of his beliefs... So, Barry's formula should equally apply to both systems of belief and not just one, as he suggests because of his obvious bias...J-Mac
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What does it mean to say life has meaning? If it is that we were created for a purpose in the mind of the creator then meaning is whatever an intelligent agent decides. So if God can choose a purpose/meaning then why can’t we?
You can choose a purpose/ meaning. Yours doesn't transcend your life. Yours may or may not be for the common good.
You assume that if the Universe – which includes us – were created for a purpose then it must be for the benefit of humanity.
Not necessarily. What we would want/ need to do is determine that purpose. Of course we would all hope it would be for some benefit and hopefully for us.
Yet the suffering and evil in this world and the unremitting hostility of the vast majority Universe to life as we know it would suggest otherwise.
It is how we deal with such things that we will be judged. In a perfect world there isn't any impetus for learning. "Vaal hungers" isn't the type of world I want to be part of.
As an a/mat I believe that the natural world is all there is.
Good for you. Your faith is very, very strong as you don't have any evidence to support it.ET
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What does it mean to say life has meaning? If it is that we were created for a purpose in the mind of the creator then meaning is whatever an intelligent agent decides. So if God can choose a purpose/meaning then why can't we? You assume that if the Universe - which includes us - were created for a purpose then it must be for the benefit of humanity. Yet the suffering and evil in this world and the unremitting hostility of the vast majority Universe to life as we know it would suggest otherwise. You ask why don't atheists commit suicide out of despair at the hopelessness of it all? Very simple, if this life is the only one we get then why not enjoy it to the full while we can? In fact, you can turn the question around. I remember a line from the only novel written by Winston Churchill when he was a young. In it, the hero is quoted as saying - I can't remember the exact words - something along the lines of "If I really thought there were life after death then I would kill myself out of irresistible curiosity." So why don't you? Why suffer here unnecessarily? As for the nonsense about natural moral law or objective morality, who cares about how we behave towards each other except ourselves? The Universe? Unless you are buying into the conscious Universe idea, it doesn't care about us one way or the other. It's not capable of it. If we were created but we are not working out as the Creator intended then why bother with some embedded moral force when it is only marginally effective? Why not just wipe the slate clean and start afresh? God did it with the Great Flood so apparently He has no qualms about mass biocide when it suits his purpose. As an a/mat I believe that the natural world is all there is. We only have limited access to it through our senses and we have only been able to build up a limited stock of knowledge about it in the brief time we've been investigating it. I suspect we have only scratched the surface of the true nature of reality. I would love to know what humanity will know a thousand years from now. That isn't going to happen but it doesn't stop me being curious. I see no compelling reason to believe in the God of Christianity or any other faith but I can't absolutely rule one out. When it comes right down to it all we have in the first instance are each other so that's where we should start. If we can't make a go of things on our own then maybe there is no hope for us.Seversky
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Dick @ 1: Thanks for sharing that link.Truth Will Set You Free
February 24, 2018
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A/mats are mildly entertaining when they make value judgments and then complain about others making value judgments. As for life being absurd under the a/mat banner, I recommend books and videos by William Lane Craig, Ravi Zacharias, and Dennis Prager. All moral judgments are absurd under the a/mat faith. Even a/mats know this... but rarely admit it.Truth Will Set You Free
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To clarify my thought, its obvious that if Athesism is true, then life has no meaning. Any half-wit can see that. Even me. My problem is understanding the idea that one should kill oneself because life had no meaning. Why? To those who adhere to Atheism, the only three things you should care about are me, myself and I. But why kill yourself? Why don't you just milk it for everything you can get? Get a cushy BS job. Be a con man, or maybe an upscale parasite. Perhaps a NASA Astrobiologist. After all, there's no reason to do anything useful. No need to sacrifice for others, to be courageous, to show virtue. Of course, knowledge of the Natural Law is given to all man. Which means Atheists too. As a result Atheists are often nice people, even though they can offer no coherent reason for being such.chris haynes
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@Barry And, if you're speaking theologically, as opposed to supposedly "scientifically", you still have the same problem. Identifying a infallible source of meaning, interpreting it, determine when it's relevant to a specific problem to solve, etc.critical rationalist
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@Barry, You seem to be oblivious to your own philosophical view that life can only have meaning if it was specially created by some creator. But that's a value judgment on your part. Nor does it seem to fit with the idea that ID doesn't say anything about the designer. Specifically, you seem to find the meaning in what some other creator supposedly had for you. But how do you know what the purpose actually is? if ID isn't about the designer, then how do we even know it's actually achieved its goal, as opposed to ended up with something incomplete? What competence level doe it have? Or perhaps the designer is actually a committee of designers and we're a series of compromises, in that none of them actually got what they wanted, etc. I could go on, but I think you get the point. Also, if the designer wasn't created for a purpose, why didn't it think its life was meaningless? Why did it bother creating anything? Or, if it was created for a purpose, why should its purpose be any more important than the purpose we have for the things we create? IOW, your belief that only a life that was created for a purpose has value is, in and of itself, a value decision on your part. So, value comes from sources which you deem authoritative, which is a philosophical view. Not to mention the problem of having to use reason to identity a supposed authoritative source of meaning, interpreting that source, etc. Again, it all comes down to authoritative sources, identifying them and interpreting them.critical rationalist
February 24, 2018
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Chris, if Latemarch is correct, I apologize.Barry Arrington
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Barry@3: I may be wrong. Often am. But I suspect that Chris has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek.Latemarch
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Chris at 2. You obviously did not read the linked Camus article or even the excerpt in the post. Go back and read them. If you still don't know the answer to your question, come back and we will talk.Barry Arrington
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Why should an Atheist say that life is absurd?. Meaningless yes, but absurd, not necessarily. And why is suicide the proper response to the meaninglessness of life? Wouldn't a better response be a life of ease and pleasure? Follow the path laid out by the Europeans. Get yourself a cushy nothingburger job, say as a NASA Astrobiologist, with nobody watching how late you come in, and great bennies to milk. Add a hedonistic lifestyle, and make sure there are no kids or anything else that might require more than the minimum of effort. You'll have lots of company.chris haynes
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