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A Word About Our Moderation Policy

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Some commenters have raised questions regarding the propriety of recent posts and UD’s moderation policy. UD’s moderation policy is fairly simple: As a general rule, so long as your comment is not defamatory profane, or a vicious personal attack, you can say pretty much what you want. We have no interest in censoring viewpoints, because we believe ID is true and consequently in any full and fair debate we will win — and if we don’t win we either need to learn to debate better or change our position. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not opening this site up to nasty juvenile name-calling fests like one see so often at Panda’s Thumb.  But if you keep your comments restricted to ideas and not attacking people, you should have no problems passing muster here.

What about the “God-bashing” and the defenses of God that have appeared in these pages? God can take care of Himself. We at UD feel no need to protect Him from defamation. Bash away. Those who are offended by (or disagree with) the bashing are welcome to post such defenses as they deem appropriate. There are limits, however. This site is not intended to be a forum for extensive religious debates. Religious issues inevitably come up from time to time and people should feel free to discuss them from both sides when they do. But the moderators will exercise their judgment and gavel discussions that stray too far a field from the purpose of this site for too long.

I personally find the God-bashing disturbing. So why do I allow it? As one of my colleagues has aptly said, the wiser course, when someone attacks God is to let those UD commenters who are theists respond to the charges. Our readers will then be in a position to see: (1) that UD, unlike the Darwinists, doesn’t ban or censor ideas; and (2) that theism in general and Christianity in particular is quite capable of defending itself against lies, distortions, illogical arguments, and misunderstandings. Our role is not to censor ideas but to provide a forum where hard questions can be discussed calmly, fully, and fairly, and we trust that when that happens truth will prevail.

Certainly there is risk to this approach. Some will reject truth and embrace error. But the consequences of pursuing the alternative course – ignoring or even running from the hard questions – would be far worse.

Finally, some have asked whether we should even discuss “peripheral issues” at UD, such as Darwin’s racism or the implications of ID for the theodicy. This site is devoted not only to scientific theories of origins, but also to the metaphysical and moral implications of those theories. Plainly BOTH Darwinism and ID have implications beyond the science. Certainly Darwinsts like “intellectually fulfilled” atheist Richard Dawkins understand the metaphysical implications of Darwinism and talk about those implications ad nauseum. What hypocritical balderdash for anyone to suggest a double standard prohibiting those of us with a different point of view from doing the exact same thing from our perspective – and we will continue to do so.

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Excellent, Ray. All I know are
and . An easy way to embed http's and smiley's would be welcome.
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R. Martinez (#14): "Just recently I have noticed that 'Entries RSS' and 'Comments RSS' bring up the same page and do not show the various codes anymore." And today these links show the codes. But prior to today both links were bringing up the same meaningless "subscribe to our feed" page. RayR. Martinez
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To Barry Arrington: Well said. Recently I protested the banning of dissent here at UD: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/off-topic-newest-book-tough-minded-christianity/#comment-306218 QUESTION: Where is the link to which a person obtains the codes to include boldtype, italics, etc.etc. in their messages? How does a new person discover this information? Just recently I have noticed that "Entries RSS" and "Comments RSS" bring up the same page and do not show the various codes anymore. This seems to not make any sense. RayR. Martinez
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Arthur, "Like many others, Bob also comments elsewhere." Where does Bob comment? Let me know and I'll go take a look.Clive Hayden
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Upright BiPed:
How is Darwin doing in the common sense department…ya know…out there with Joe Public?
Personally, I trust science more than common sense, but to each his own. (What I find interesting is people who generally favor their own common sense over the consensus of scientists, and yet defer to science when something important is on the line, like their own medical health.)R0b
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Oops, messed up on HTML! Last sentence was mine.Arthur Smith
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R0b, "How’s ID doing in forums where there are official establishment materialist judges ideologues like peer review and the courtroon with celeb activists? How is Darwin doing in the common sense department...ya know...out there with Joe Public? How is the front on FSCI working out? Still hoping no one will notice?Upright BiPed
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You’re making an argument against an argument.
I'm expressing my opinion.
If Bob can’t log-in, how are you seeing his comments? I’m asking sincerely.
Like many others, Bob also comments elsewhere.
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"That is commendable, Mr Arrington. However, evidence will always trump opinion, no matter how eloquently expressed and fervently believed." You're making an argument against an argument. Your argument doesn't have evidence; it is not any different in form than Barry's argument that you quoted, in that respect. "I have noticed Bob stating he would like to comment here again but is unable to log in." If Bob can't log-in, how are you seeing his comments? I'm asking sincerely.Clive Hayden
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We have no interest in censoring viewpoints, because we believe ID is true and consequently in any full and fair debate we will win...
Nobody wins in blog debates. Both sides inevitably think they won, but there is no official judge to say who really won. How's ID doing in forums where there are official judges, like peer review and the courtroom?R0b
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We have no interest in censoring viewpoints, because we believe ID is true and consequently in any full and fair debate we will win — and if we don’t win we either need to learn to debate better or change our position.
That is commendable, Mr Arrington. However, evidence will always trump opinion, no matter how eloquently expressed and fervently believed. One poster here, a critic of ID, but who never overstepped the bounds of politeness, was Bob O'Hara, a working scientist. I have noticed Bob stating he would like to comment here again but is unable to log in. Would you like to re-enable his posting facilities?Arthur Smith
March 13, 2009
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My previous comment was placed in the moderation queue, then disappeared. Let's see if this one fares better. In the spirit of the new dedication to open discussion, will those people previously banned for reasons that are not valid under the new policy be allowed to participate again? Will those of us who are subject to the moderation queue, again for reasons that are not valid under the new policy, be allowed to post without the delays that effectively prohibit active participation? JJJayM
March 13, 2009
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"Greater than the tread of mighty armies is an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugoalaninnont
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Off topic: Judge orders advanced homeschoolers back to public school to expose them to "mainstream science": http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4727161/russ
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Well stated, Barry! Thanks!DonaldM
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Thanks Barry, If you think about it the BEST way to expose ID as sophist pseudo-science is by presenting the scientific data which demonstrates that. It is only because such scientific data is unavailable do the ID critics and opponents use those other methods of debate. And that is because if you can't attack the data then attack the person because that is all that is left. That said if anyone feels the need to attack me I have a blog that is open for comments. My only rule is that your response must at least attempt to stay on topic.Joseph
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