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Abraham Redux: Please Focus on the Issue

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In the post below Dr. Dembski brought the Abraham case to our attention and asked whether it is legitimate to fire an employee merely because of his beliefs as opposed to his job performance.  The discussion rapidly deteriated into speculation about possible reasons Woods Hole might have terminated Abraham for poor performance.  All of those speculations are idle and beside the point.  Dr. Dembski asked, “Is it legitimate to fire someone because of their beliefs?”  It is simply no answer to that question to say, “Well maybe they fired him for reasons other than his beliefs.”

The purpose of this post is to attempt to focus the discussion back on the issue Dr. Dembski raised, which is a very profound issue in my view.

A copy of Abrham’s federal court complaint is here.   I would like to focus on the following sworn allegations:

16. Plaintiff’s work with Defendants focused on zebrafish developmental biology, toxicology and programmed cell death areas of reseach which required no acceptance, or application of , the theory of evolution as scientific fact.

17. Plaintiff at all times, before his employment began while helping to design and construct the lab and during his employment, performed exemplary work and was often praised and commended by [his supervisor] and other staff members for the quality of his research, commitment and scientific presentations.

20.  Plaintiff assured Defendants that he was willing to analyze aspects of his research using evolutionary concepts if warranted . . . but his sincerely held religous belief did not allow him to accept the theory of evolution as a scientific fact.

30.  Plaintiff was fired even though acceptance of evolution as scientific fact rather than theory (in contravention of his sincerely held religious beliefs) was in no way a bona fide occupational qualification of employment, was not previously mentioned or implied as a requisite for hiring, and was never listed among necessary critera for the advertised position by Defendants.

 I am not saying these sworn allegations are true.  We do not know if Abraham will be able to prove them at trial.  However, in order to focus the discussion on the issue Dr. Dembski raised, all commenters to this thread should assume for the sake of argument that the sworn allegations are in fact true.

The debate question for this post is:  “Assuming paragraphs 16, 17, 20 and 30 of Abraham’s complaint are true, Woods Hole’s termination of Abraham was wrong.”

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And yet, all the "skeptics" need to do is hear is a single narrative that a woman got fired for a emailing a talk by Barbara Forrest, and they're all over wrongful termination. And they don't mind speculating on "what if" at the very least. As in what if Comer's "insubordination" is only holding the line against ID. By the way Barry, postmodern thinking isn't so bad, you just have to apply consistency to the principles that you use, which I don't find to be generally true of evolutionocrats.jjcassidy
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I would say it's wrong to fire someone only on the basis of their beliefs. But I have some strange beliefs myself, so . . . Whether it's illegal is another matter, which I'm not qualified to comment on. As BarryA knows, first-year law students are regularly confronted with morally outrageous cases that are not legally actionable.getawitness
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getawitness, all you need to do is justify the requirment of doctrinal allegiance on the part of scientists. If you establish that or its negation you will have addressed William Dembski's larger point.pk4_paul
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Seriously, why would "Darwinists" argue for the negative? It's set up to be obviously in favor of Abraham. If we limit the facts to one person's narrative, does that person have a point? Yeah. But that's not the way things are in the world. That's all I'm saying.getawitness
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I love you too BarryA. XOXOXOgetawitness
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Getawitness writes: “Funny how nobody tried to rig that debate by excluding everything other than her account.” I am not rigging the debate. I am focusing it. Now that the facts have been established at least for purposes of the discussion, you are free to take either side of the question. And as pk4_paul points out, it is a real question. I invite the Darwinists to argue for the negative. You’re just mad because you can no longer indulge your postmodernist compulsion to wallow in factual incoherence and never resolve anything. If you are repulsed by clarity, you are free not to participate.BarryA
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pk4_paul: Abraham. Abrahamson's first name is not Nathaniel but either Ishmael or Isaac.getawitness
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pk4_paul, it is Abraham. The post has been corrected.BarryA
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This is an allegiance issue. Do scientists need to pledge allegiance to specified theories in order to gain and maintain employment?pk4_paul
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Barry, is it Abraham or Abrahamson?pk4_paul
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My answer: Yes. And so what? Just as if the facts as Comer alleges are true, the firing of Comer was wrong. Funny how nobody tried to rig that debate by excluding everything other than her account.getawitness
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