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Walter Bradley and Casey Luskin write:

Major scientific magazines and journals often feature articles on the “Biggest Unsolved Mysteries in Science”1 — and the origin of life is almost always on that list, sometimes as the number one mystery.2 In this and coming posts we will explore key challenges to a natural, chemical origin of life. We’ll examine the formation of the essential functional polymers of life — proteins, DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid), and RNA (ribonucleic acid). How might these extraordinarily complex molecules have formed in oceans, lakes, or ponds from simple, naturally occurring molecular building blocks like sugars and amino acids? What is life? How does it operate? Could life originate by strictly natural means?

Three Scientific Discoveries

Darwin’s theory of evolution and the development of the second law of thermodynamics by Boltzmann and Gibbs are two of the three major scientific discoveries of the 19th century. Maxwell’s field equations for electricity and magnetism are the third. The second law of thermodynamics has had a unifying effect in the physical sciences much like the theory of evolution has had in the life sciences. What is intriguing is that the predictions of one seem to contradict the predictions of the other. The grand story of evolution teaches that living systems have generally moved from simpler to more complex over time.3 The second law of thermodynamics teaches just the opposite, a progression from order to disorder, from complexity to simplicity in the physical universe. Your garden and your house, left to themselves, go from order to disorder. But you can restore the order if you do the necessary work. In the winter, when it is cold, the interior of your house will gradually drop in temperature toward the outside temperature. But a gas heater can reverse this process by converting the chemical energy in natural gas into thermal energy in the house. 

True Everywhere in Life

This simple analogy illustrates what is true of all living systems: they can only live by having access to energy and a means of converting this energy into the alternative forms of energy or work required to oppose the pull toward thermodynamic equilibrium, from complexity to simplicity. Living systems are much more complex than nonliving systems. Like a lawnmower with gasoline as a source of energy and an engine to convert that energy into movement of a blade to cut the grass, living systems must have access to sources of energy and systems to convert the energy into the needs of plants and animals.

Nonliving objects in nature exist without any complex functional systems or any energy flow requirements. They are generally made of simple crystalline or amorphous materials.

The second law of thermodynamics is a law of nature (like gravity, everyone is subject to it). Living plants and animals can survive only with energy flowing through their systems. Nonliving objects such as mountains, rocks, sand, rivers, and soil have no need for energy flow, nor do they have the complexity to utilize energy toward some goal. 

To Utilize and Store Energy

To summarize, plants can utilize solar energy to levitate above thermodynamic equilibrium. Nonliving objects such as mountains, oceans, rocks, sand, and soil have no need for such complexity; they do not store chemical energy like plants do; nor can they process solar or other forms of energy. Living matter is much more complex (e.g., RNA, DNA, protein, etc.), needing as it does to be able to utilize and store available energy from the sun or from the consumption of plants and animals. 

Notes

  1. See for example Ronak Gupta, “The 7 biggest unsolved mysteries in science,” Digit (May 26, 2015), https://www.digit.in/features/general/7-greatest-unsolved-problems-in-science-26132.html (accessed November 18, 2020).
  2. See for example Philip Ball, “10 Unsolved Mysteries in Chemistry,” Scientific American (October 2011), https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/10-unsolved-mysteries/ (accessed November 18, 2020).
  3. Technically the official line from neo-Darwinian evolutionists is that evolution knows nothing of “progress” and does not necessarily move from “simple to more complex.” Nonetheless, it is also true that the grand arc of the evolutionary story moves from simpler organisms toward more complex ones. In this evolutionary story, biological and organic systems began with a single self-replicating molecule and ended up at us. Evolutionary theorists sometimes try to trivialize this clear progression by calling it “bouncing off the lower wall of complexity,” but it cannot be denied that their story entails a march towards greater complexity. See for example Stephen Jay Gould, Full House: The Spread of Excellence from Plato to Darwin (New York: Three Rivers, 1996). 

Full article at Evolution News.

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The origin of life is one of the biggest mysteries. Positing a naturalistic origin or a Devine origin does not make it any less mysterious. Both postulates suffer from the lack of any compelling evidence, or even any plausible evidence.Sir Giles
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AF@12 I should have started with Darwin himself who mused on life appearing in a pond that had certain chemicals present, plus ‘electricity’. And over 150 years ago, Professor Ernst Haeckel promoted origin of life by chemical evolution. He suggested carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and sulphur reacted to form simple organic compounds. These condensed and self-organised into protoplasma which somehow came to life. Huxley, whom I mentioned earlier, ran with this notion.Belfast
September 21, 2022
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Relatd, I did read your post: one can’t respond to every point someone makes, and I had very little time, but I have more time now and will respond at more length: The first quote you offered was from 1950 and was about the nature of Adam. I am primarily interested in metaphysical perspectives and the nature of causality, so theological dogma about the role of Adam is not of much interest to me. The 1950 document says that Adam was the first “true man”, and that all human beings are descendants of him and Eve. However, the 1996 document says that “Pope John Paul II stated some years ago that “new knowledge leads to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge”. Therefore, the 1996 document focuses on the spiritual aspect of mankind rather than the physical, on the “ontological leap” to the human. However it is not clear if the 1950 document means “true man” physically, which would imply special creation, or, as the 1996 documents implies, might mean a spiritually “true man” with spiritual qualities that fall outside the purview of science. Since other documents, which we have discussed, accept that God’s providence can work within our world of both necessary and contingent causality, more and more religious people are accepting that there is a physical, biological continuity between humans and creatures that lived before them, and the creation of mankind in the image of God is a spiritual event. The 1996 document, (which is now 25 years old) seems to accept the possibility of a physical continuity between humans and earlier creatures. I don’t know if there are any more official Catholic statements about this since then. Do you know of any? And to be clear, all of this discussion rejects a materialistic interpretation of events. From a philosophical or theological perspective, which the 1996 document says is essential, there is no reason why a biological continuity of creatures before humans leading up to the infusion of spirit in the first man couldn’t be as God willed.Viola Lee
September 21, 2022
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AF @12 I missed your comment earlier ‘I’ve not seen any “evolutionists” making this claim. Sure, some origin-of-life ideas are optimistic, but “chemical evolution”? First time I’ve seen that phrase is in your comment.” Such an admission suggests some other forum is better suited to you. Oparin raised the concept clearly over 80 years ago, and Nobel Laureate Melvin Calvin wrote “Chemical evolution: molecular evolution towards the origin of living systems on the earth and elsewhere.” about 50 years ago. Professing personal ignorance to hint unreliability doesn’t work.Belfast
September 21, 2022
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VL at 31, I don't think you read my post or, if you did, you are only focusing on what you want to draw the conclusion you want.relatd
September 21, 2022
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This is a new point on your part, although what I have quoted so far hasn't brought that up. There are, I believe, different Catholic views on this, one being that humans came about by a special spiritual infusion of the soul: the physical creatures were there but they weren't "true men". The church believes their is an “ontological leap” to the human which cannot be explained in purely scientific terms. The Church’s interest in evolution thus focuses particularly on “the conception of man” who, as created in the image of God, “. That doesn't mean there isn't a physical line of descent.Viola Lee
September 21, 2022
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VL at 29, No offense meant but don't you get it? The idea that there were no true men before Adam? Don't you see what that means? No pre-humans. No ape-like ancestors. I'll stop there.relatd
September 21, 2022
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Realtd writes, "Respectfully, you are not reporting on this correctly." I am pretty much just quoting the Pope, so I don't see how that could be incorrect reporting. Your quote from Communion and Stewardship repeats some of what I quoted, and brings up again the theistic interpretation that does indeed give to "divine providence a truly causal role in the development of life in the universe", which I discussed earlier in respect to TE. So what specifically is incorrect about my reporting?Viola Lee
September 21, 2022
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Caspian
...when compared with the nearly innumerable useless ways its constituents could be arranged.
Ah, the assumed denominator.Alan Fox
September 21, 2022
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Seversky, @ 25. Bluster gets you nowhere. Chemical evolution is no “placeholder”. Millions are spent each year on the hypothesis of chemical evolution; see the latest from NASA on 24th August last, “The topic of chemical evolution and the origins of life is a primary focus of astrobiology, and is an essential part of understanding life’s origins on Earth and the potential for life beyond our planet. These studies cross disciplines, from prebiotic chemistry to astrophysics, and are relevant to fields that cover the breadth of research funded by the NASA Astrobiology Program….” Chemical evolution is the only horse in the race of a “natural means” explanation - the only one getting funding. “Placeholder,” ranks well below “hypothesis’’ - even below “guess” - it is a WORD that will do for now.Belfast
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To Seversky @25: Any "as-yet-unknown explanation" for the origin of life cannot contradict already established principles of how nature works. For example, we know that if two "macrostates" of a system have the same energy, the one that is most likely to occur is the one with the most microstates. Apply this concept to the attempt to form any complex, functional bio-molecule, and the probability of its natural formation fades into impossibility when compared with the nearly innumerable useless ways its constituents could be arranged. Knowing what we know about nature, and seeing the phenomenally complex, functional molecular workings of the cell suggests an unnatural origin. You could call it intelligent design or God. Granted, we don't know how a designer could have made living systems, but our knowledge of the natural world argues that life could not have arisen naturally. Sure, we don't want to unnecessarily jump to a "God did it" conclusion, but when the evidence from our study of nature points in that direction, who's to say that it's unreasonable to believe it?Caspian
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Belfast/11
But evolutionists DO know how life began,, Seversky, and they call it ‘chemical evolution’ – it has been the case for over 150 years starting big-time with Huxley and Tyndall in 1869 and 1874 respectively, and reaffirmed to this day.
No, we don't know. "Chemical evolution" is as much of a placeholder for an as-yet-unknown explanation as "God did it".Seversky
September 21, 2022
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VL at 23, Respectfully, you are not reporting on this correctly. When Pope Pius XII wrote about evolution in 1950, he made a few comments. "37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.[12]" You are not exhibiting an understanding of what the Church teaches or proper scholarship. From Communion and Stewardship: "64. Pope John Paul II stated some years ago that “new knowledge leads to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge”(“Message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on Evolution”1996). In continuity with previous twentieth century papal teaching on evolution (especially Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani Generis ), the Holy Father’s message acknowledges that there are “several theories of evolution” that are “materialist, reductionist and spiritualist” and thus incompatible with the Catholic faith. It follows that the message of Pope John Paul II cannot be read as a blanket approbation of all theories of evolution, including those of a neo-Darwinian provenance which explicitly deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe. Mainly concerned with evolution as it “involves the question of man,” however, Pope John Paul’s message is specifically critical of materialistic theories of human origins and insists on the relevance of philosophy and theology for an adequate understanding of the “ontological leap” to the human which cannot be explained in purely scientific terms. The Church’s interest in evolution thus focuses particularly on “the conception of man” who, as created in the image of God, “cannot be subordinated as a pure means or instrument either to the species or to society.” As a person created in the image of God, he is capable of forming relationships of communion with other persons and with the triune God, as well as of exercising sovereignty and stewardship in the created universe. The implication of these remarks is that theories of evolution and of the origin of the universe possess particular theological interest when they touch on the doctrines of the creation ex nihilo and the creation of man in the image of God." The following needs to be emphasized: "... including those of a neo-Darwinian provenance which explicitly deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe."relatd
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Relatd quotes the Pope about “theories” of evolution. The full quote is
And to tell the truth, rather than speaking about the theory of evolution, it is more accurate to speak of the theories of evolution. The use of the plural is required here—in part because of the diversity of explanations regarding the mechanism of evolution, and in part because of the diversity of philosophies involved. There are materialist and reductionist theories, as well as spiritualist theories. Here the final judgment is within the competence of philosophy and, beyond that, of theology.
When the Pope says “theories of evolution” he is talking about metaphysical interpretations of the science, not the science itself. As he says, “the final judgment is within the competence of philosophy and, beyond that, of theology.” Science itself can’t resolve the metaphysical interpretation issue: that goes beyond science into philosophy and theology. Some have materialistic interpretations, some theistic, and some with many other variations of metaphysics. The Pope then goes on to say,
With man, we find ourselves facing a different ontological order—an ontological leap, we could say. But in posing such a great ontological discontinuity, are we not breaking up the physical continuity which seems to be the main line of research about evolution in the fields of physics and chemistry? An appreciation for the different methods used in different fields of scholarship allows us to bring together two points of view which at first might seem irreconcilable. The sciences of observation describe and measure, with ever greater precision, the many manifestations of life, and write them down along the time-line. The moment of passage into the spiritual realm is not something that can be observed in this way—although we can nevertheless discern, through experimental research, a series of very valuable signs of what is specifically human life. But the experience of metaphysical knowledge, of self-consciousness and self-awareness, of moral conscience, of liberty, or of aesthetic and religious experience—these must be analyzed through philosophical reflection, while theology seeks to clarify the ultimate meaning of the Creator's designs.
That is, the theory of the evolution of the physical human being is not in conflict with the religious theory of the spirit of man. You can read the whole thing here.Viola Lee
September 21, 2022
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CD at 21, Wow. Just look at that battle... Ba77 has made a convincing case that "science" can't be done without the right approach, and that does mean Christianity. However, the atheist runs from God and religion. He holds up the words of men as the only source of knowledge. Religion is just old superstition. It's not. God is real. Yes, the real battle I'm watching is men today who want sexual perversion. Who want to do everything they want. To make everyone call it good. And if you think this is something new, keep in mind that men have two choices only: right and wrong, good and evil. That is it. Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" THAT is the conflict today. The falsely called "culture wars" between good and wrong ways to live. I suggest you face that.relatd
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Querius/10 Gould's magisterium model (NOMA) has been rejected by both atheists and theists for the obvious reason that the conflict between religion and science continues unabated. It permeates this blog and the comments. IDers, especially those at the Discovery Institute, don't like being hemmed in by NOMA because their whole raison d'etre is to make science a tool of religion rather than an independent path to knowledge. Look at Meyer's book on the so-called "God Hypothesis." Look at BA77's comments shot through with religiosity, Bible quotes, etc. Look at the internecine war between the Discovery Institute and BioLogos. Despite ID's ongoing attempts at historical revisionism attempting to make all of Western science the progeny of Christianity, the battle between science and religion seems to be getting worse. More, not less polarized, just like everything else today.....chuckdarwin
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Seversky at 17, I watched online as atheists "celebrated" when the Church "accepted" evolution. They were making a reference to statements made by Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1996. The problem was that they left out the part where the Pope referenced "theories" of evolution. That's right - more than one. You seem to think that the Church only deals with spiritual matters. That is not true. She is competent to evaluate scientific information as well. When an Op-Ed appeared in the New York Times titled Finding Design in Nature by Christoph Cardinal Schönborn, a few scientists were alarmed that he favored actual design in nature. They sent a letter to the Vatican cautioning that the Church would be 'on the wrong side of history' regarding this. Well, the Church tells us there is actual design in nature. Truth claims are not limited to scientists.relatd
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Martin_r at 15, I understand. The problem is brainwashed scientists who believe everything, including life, has a natural, meaning non-God, explanation. Living cells are made of parts and those parts are made of chemicals, right? So "all" they have to do is find the right chemicals and make a living thing. You know, like getting the ingredients to making a cake. It's that easy... :)relatd
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Seversky, "It can if religious dogma takes priority over scientific explanation where there is any conflict between the two." Seversky, you do realize that Darwinism itself is a religious dogma that is impervious to empirical falsification do you not?
The role of theology in current evolutionary reasoning - Paul A. Nelson - Biology and Philosophy, 1996, Volume 11, Number 4, Pages 493-517 Excerpt: Evolutionists have long contended that the organic world falls short of what one might expect from an omnipotent and benevolent creator. Yet many of the same scientists who argue theologically for evolution are committed to the philosophical doctrine of methodological naturalism, which maintains that theology has no place in science. Furthermore, the arguments themselves are problematical, employing concepts that cannot perform the work required of them, or resting on unsupported conjectures about suboptimality. Evolutionary theorists should reconsider both the arguments and the influence of Darwinian theological metaphysics on their understanding of evolution. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00138329 Charles Darwin, Theologian: Major New Article on Darwin's Use of Theology in the Origin of Species - May 2011 Excerpt: The Origin supplies abundant evidence of theology in action; as Dilley observes: I have argued that, in the first edition of the Origin, Darwin drew upon at least the following positiva theological claims in his case for descent with modification (and against special creation):?1. Human beings are not justified in believing that God creates in ways analogous to the intellectual powers of the human mind. 2. A God who is free to create as He wishes would create new biological limbs de novo rather than from a common pattern. 3. A respectable deity would create biological structures in accord with a human conception of the 'simplest mode' to accomplish the functions of these structures. 4. God would only create the minimum structure required for a given part's function. 5. God does not provide false empirical information about the origins of organisms. 6. God impressed the laws of nature on matter. 7. God directly created the first 'primordial' life. 8. God did not perform miracles within organic history subsequent to the creation of the first life. 9. A 'distant' God is not morally culpable for natural pain and suffering. 10. The God of special creation, who allegedly performed miracles in organic history, is not plausible given the presence of natural pain and suffering. https://evolutionnews.org/2011/05/charles_darwin_theologian_majo/ Evolution as a Theological Research Program - by Cornelius Hunter - August 2021 Abstract Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution interacted with non-empirical factors including a range of theological concerns. The influence of these theological concerns is typically modeled as secondary to that of empirical evidence. In both Darwin’s thought and later development of the theory of evolution, theological concerns have been viewed as serving in a range of possible roles. However, the theological concerns have consistently been viewed as, ultimately, subservient to empirical science. In the end, science has the final say regarding the content and evaluation of the theory. Here, this paper demonstrates the failure of this model. Theological concerns do have primacy over the science. They motivate the development of evolutionary theory, and they control the interpretation of the empirical evidence and justification of the theory. It is more accurate to view evolution as a theological research program. Introduction Excerpt: ,,, theological claims are common in Darwin’s On the Origin of Species (Darwin 1859), where they are essential to his science. The religion is not a tangential message, and one need not read between the lines to see it. In the Origin, it would not be an exaggeration to say the religion drives the science. Darwin’s religion is not merely present, it is prominent and has primacy over the science. The religion is foundational. The importance of religion in Darwin’s theory is also apparent in the science he presented. As Section 5 shows, Darwin did not have sufficient scientific arguments and evidence to advance his theory. Finally, as Section 6 and Section 7 demonstrate, these roles and relationships between religion and science persisted after Darwin. This religious foundation was by no means peculiar to Darwin’s thought. It has remained foundational since Darwin in motivating and justifying the theory. What we find in Darwin continued in later evolutionary thought. Therefore, the thesis of this paper is that evolution is best understood as a theological research program. https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/12/9/694/htm Devil’s Chaplain: Evolution as a “Theological Research Program” Michael Flannery - September 10, 2021 Excerpt: this research program’s principal investigator was Charles Darwin, and the epithet he chose for himself, “a Devil’s chaplain” — which he shared in a letter on July 13, 1856, to his close friend and confidant Joseph Dalton Hooker — is revealing: “What a book a Devil’s chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering low & horridly cruel works of nature!” Hunter answers claims of Darwinian orthodoxy. They are as follows: Darwin’s religious views preceded (not followed) his transmutation ideas; Darwin’s theological premises are essential (not peripheral) to his argument; Darwin’s references to theology attach direct significance to the theory itself — he is not practicing reductio theology, employing it merely for its contrastive heuristic effect — the theology and the theory are inextricably intertwined; the epistemic assistance received from theology is central to the theory itself (the “scientific” evidence marshalled on its behalf is pretty thin); and finally, Darwin’s theological claims persisted well into the period of the neo-Darwinian synthesis (1930s and ’40s) and after. Readers should examine the article itself to see how Hunter establishes each point, all supported with extensive references. https://evolutionnews.org/2021/09/devils-chaplain-evolution-as-a-theological-research-program/ Methodological Naturalism: A Rule That No One Needs or Obeys - Paul Nelson - September 22, 2014 Excerpt: It is a little-remarked but nonetheless deeply significant irony that evolutionary biology is the most theologically entangled science going. Open a book like Jerry Coyne's Why Evolution is True (2009) or John Avise's Inside the Human Genome (2010), and the theology leaps off the page. A wise creator, say Coyne, Avise, and many other evolutionary biologists, would not have made this or that structure; therefore, the structure evolved by undirected processes. Coyne and Avise, like many other evolutionary theorists going back to Darwin himself, make numerous "God-wouldn't-have-done-it-that-way" arguments, thus predicating their arguments for the creative power of natural selection and random mutation on implicit theological assumptions about the character of God and what such an agent (if He existed) would or would not be likely to do.,,, ,,,with respect to one of the most famous texts in 20th-century biology, Theodosius Dobzhansky's essay "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution" (1973). Although its title is widely cited as an aphorism, the text of Dobzhansky's essay is rarely read. It is, in fact, a theological treatise. As Dilley (2013, p. 774) observes: "Strikingly, all seven of Dobzhansky's arguments hinge upon claims about God's nature, actions, purposes, or duties. In fact, without God-talk, the geneticist's arguments for evolution are logically invalid. In short, theology is essential to Dobzhansky's arguments.",, http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/09/methodological_1089971.html Damned if You Do and Damned if You Don't - Steve Dilley- 2019-06-02 The Problem of God-talk in Biology Textbooks Abstract: We argue that a number of biology (and evolution) textbooks face a crippling dilemma. On the one hand, significant difficulties arise if textbooks include theological claims in their case for evolution. (Such claims include, for example, ‘God would never design a suboptimal panda’s thumb, but an imperfect structure is just what we’d expect on natural selection.’) On the other hand, significant difficulties arise if textbooks exclude theological claims in their case for evolution. So, whether textbooks include or exclude theological claims, they face debilitating problems. We attempt to establish this thesis by examining 32 biology (and evolution) textbooks, including the Big 12—that is, the top four in each of the key undergraduate categories (biology majors, non-majors, and evolution courses). In Section 2 of our article, we analyze three specific types of theology these texts use to justify evolutionary theory. We argue that all face significant difficulties. In Section 3, we step back from concrete cases and, instead, explore broader problems created by having theology in general in biology textbooks. We argue that the presence of theology—of whatever kind—comes at a significant cost, one that some textbook authors are likely unwilling to pay. In Section 4, we consider the alternative: Why not simply get rid of theology? Why not just ignore it? In reply, we marshal a range of arguments why avoiding God-talk raises troubles of its own. Finally, in Section 5, we bring together the collective arguments in Sections 2-4 to argue that biology textbooks face an intractable dilemma. We underscore this difficulty by examining a common approach that some textbooks use to solve this predicament. We argue that this approach turns out to be incoherent and self-serving. The poor performance of textbooks on this point highlights just how deep the difficulty is. In the end, the overall dilemma remains. https://journals.blythinstitute.org/ojs/index.php/cbi/article/view/44
Seversky, you might want to 'remove the beam from your eye" before you claim that Christians are putting their religion above what the empirical evidence actually says. Here are a few falsifications of Darwin's theory that Darwinists simply ignore because it conflicts with their religious dogma of Darwinian atheism.
1. Darwin’s theory holds mutations to the genome to be random. The vast majority of mutations to the genome are not random but are now found to be ‘directed’. 2. Darwin’s theory holds that Natural Selection is the ‘designer substitute’ that produces the ‘appearance’ and/or illusion of design. Natural Selection, especially for multicellular organisms, is found to be grossly inadequate as the ‘designer substitute. 3. Darwin’s theory holds that mutations to DNA will eventually change the basic biological form of any given species into a new form of a brand new species. Yet, biological form is found to be irreducible to mutations to DNA, nor is biological form reducible to any other material particulars in biology one may wish to invoke. 4. Darwin’s theory, (via Fisher’s Theorem in population genetics), assumed there to be an equal proportion of good and bad mutations to DNA which were, ultimately, responsible for all the diversity and complexity of life we see on earth. Yet, the ratio of detrimental to beneficial mutations is overwhelmingly detrimental. Detrimental to such a point that it is seriously questioned whether there are any truly beneficial, information building, mutations whatsoever. 5. Charles Darwin himself held that the gradual unfolding of life would (someday) be self-evident in the fossil record. Yet, from the Cambrian Explosion onward, the fossil record is consistently characterized by the sudden appearance of a group/kind in the fossil record, (i.e. disparity), then rapid diversity within the group/kind, and then long term stability and even deterioration of variety within the overall group/kind, and within the specific species of the kind, over long periods of time. Of the few dozen or so fossils claimed as transitional, not one is uncontested as a true example of transition between major animal forms out of millions of collected fossils. Moreover, Fossils are found in the “wrong place” all the time (either too early, or too late). 6. Darwin’s theory, due to the randomness postulate, holds that patterns will not repeat themselves in supposedly widely divergent species. Yet thousands of instances of what is ironically called ‘convergent evolution’, on both the morphological and genetic level, falsifies the Darwinian belief that patterns will not repeat themselves in widely divergent species. 7. Charles Darwin himself stated that “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Yet as Doug Axe pointed out, “Basically every gene and every new protein fold, there is nothing of significance that we can show that can be had in that gradualistic way. It’s all a mirage. None of it happens that way.” 8. Charles Darwin himself stated that “If it could be proved that any part of the structure of any one species had been formed for the exclusive good of another species, it would annihilate my theory, for such could not have been produced through natural selection.” Yet as Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig pointed out, “in thousands of plant species often entirely new organs have been formed for the exclusive good of more than 132,930 other species, these ‘ugly facts’ have annihilated Darwin’s theory as well as modern versions of it.” 9. Charles Darwin himself stated that, ““The impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God. Yet ‘our conscious selves’ are certainly not explainable by ‘chance’ (nor is consciousness explainable by any possible reductive materialistic explanation in general), i.e. ‘the hard problem of consciousness’. 10. Besides the mathematics of probability consistently showing that Darwinian evolution is impossible, the mathematics of population genetics itself has now shown Darwinian evolution to be impossible. Moreover, ‘immaterial’ mathematics itself, which undergirds all of science, engineering and technology, is held by most mathematicians to exist in some timeless, unchanging, immaterial, Platonic realm. Yet, the reductive materialism that Darwinian theory is based upon denies the existence of the immaterial realm that mathematics exists in. i.e. Darwinian evolution actually denies the objective reality of the one thing, i.e. mathematics, that it most needs in order to be considered scientific in the first place! 11. Donald Hoffman has, via population genetics, shown that if Darwin’s materialistic theory were true then all our observations of reality would be illusory. Yet the scientific method itself is based on reliable observation. Moreover, Quantum Mechanics itself has now shown that conscious observation must come before material reality, i.e. falsification of ‘realism’ proves that our conscious observations are reliable!. 12. The reductive materialism that undergirds Darwinian thought holds that immaterial information is merely ’emergent’ from a material basis. Yet immaterial Information, via experimental realization of the “Maxwell’s Demon” thought experiment, is now found to be its own distinctive physical entity that, although it can interact in a ‘top down’ manner with matter and energy, is separate from matter and energy. 13. Darwinists hold that Darwin’s theory is true. Yet ‘Truth’ itself is an abstract property of an immaterial mind that is irreducible to the reductive materialistic explanations of Darwinian evolution. i.e. Assuming reductive materialism and/or Naturalism as the starting philosophical position of science actually precludes ‘the truth’ from ever being reached by science! 14. Darwinists, due to their underlying naturalistic philosophy, insist that teleology (i.e. goal directed purpose) does not exist. Yet it is impossible for Biologists to do biological research without constantly invoking words that directly imply teleology. i.e. The very words that Biologists themselves are forced to use when they are doing their research falsifies Darwinian evolution. Darwinism vs. Falsification - link to defense of each claim https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I6fT6ATY700Bsx2-JSFqL6l-rzXpMcZcZKZfYRS45h4/
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More baloney. Religious belief doesn’t undermine science.
It can if religious dogma takes priority over scientific explanation where there is any conflict between the two.
Scientific understanding is (at least supposedly) based on disciplined experimentation, observation, and measurement. Religious belief is based on human experience, witness accounts, culture, philosophical coherence, and tradition. Science and Religion are in two different magisteria. They don’t conflict.
Again, they can if religion makes claims about the nature of the physical world which are also subject to observation, measurement and experimentation. If there is conflict between the two, which should take precedence?
Artistic beauty is in a third magisterium. You never say that appreciation for beauty undermines science, do you?
The appreciation of beauty makes no claims about the nature of objective reality, only our subjective response to it, so there is no conflict.
However, Darwinism is shrouded in slow motion, deep time, and ignorance. It’s a mysterium of the Church of Darwin. It has no experimental evidence demonstrating life spontaneously generating from non-living matter and evolving into increasingly complex structures. It’s a scientific mythology based on faith.
The theory of evolution says nothing about the origins of life on Earth. If it began through naturalistic processes - which is the only obvious alternative to Creationist accounts - we don't know how.Seversky
September 21, 2022
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Seversky at 9, This is how religious belief can undermine science? Wow. And what "science" was undermined today? Nuns protesting outside of research labs? You apparently live in Seversky Land where you make up accusations - and more accusations - as you go. Sad really.relatd
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Relatd what i wanted to say, was, that i am 100% sure, that our Creator hasn't designed the cell using a common chemistry like OOL-researchers trying to do ... i am not a chemist, but even a layman with basic knowledge of molecular biology/chemistry can see, that when you keep adding more molecular subsystems to your existing molecular system, you will destroy/alter the molecules already in place - using a common chemistry ...martin_r
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Seversky can speak for themself but science is the study of aspects of reality whereas mathematics is the study of numbers, which some mathematicians believe (discussion is ongoing) are fictional, human inventions. There's no denying mathematics is a powerful tool used in the pursuance of science. Constructing mathematical models and testing their predictive power against reality is the major way science advances. But anyone can do science. You don't have to believe everything scientists say. You can make your own observations, do your own experiments, construct your own mathematical models and offer your own hypotheses and theories. Science is democratic. All you really need is curiosity.Alan Fox
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So Sev if someone says, I used science thus my conclusion must be correct ,would you agree with them. Its akin to someone saying I used maths thus my conclusion must be correct . Both disciplines are just methodology's to find the correct answers not absolutes in and of themselves. Christians dont deny science we just deny some of the conclusion reached by scientists , because maybe they are wrong, you know well not every scientific idea , theory, or hypothesis is correct or is it only you atheists who have the liberty to know that.Marfin
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But evolutionists DO know how life began, Seversky, and they call it ‘chemical evolution'.
I've not seen any "evolutionists" making this claim. Sure, some origin-of-life ideas are optimistic, but "chemical evolution"? First time I've seen that phrase is in your comment. I wonder what Google will find. ETA:. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_evolution disambiguation needed!Alan Fox
September 20, 2022
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Once more, Seversky jumps in with his vacuous pre-formed Tu Quoque declarations. This time with his ‘nobody knows’ mantra. But evolutionists DO know how life began,, Seversky, and they call it ‘chemical evolution’ - it has been the case for over 150 years starting big-time with Huxley and Tyndall in 1869 and 1874 respectively, and reaffirmed to this day. Time to update your cut-and-paste collection.Belfast
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Seversky @9, More baloney. Religious belief doesn't undermine science. Scientific understanding is (at least supposedly) based on disciplined experimentation, observation, and measurement. Religious belief is based on human experience, witness accounts, culture, philosophical coherence, and tradition. Science and Religion are in two different magisteria. They don't conflict. Artistic beauty is in a third magisterium. You never say that appreciation for beauty undermines science, do you? However, Darwinism is shrouded in slow motion, deep time, and ignorance. It's a mysterium of the Church of Darwin. It has no experimental evidence demonstrating life spontaneously generating from non-living matter and evolving into increasingly complex structures. It's a scientific mythology based on faith. -QQuerius
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No one knows how life may have arisen from non-life by natural processes, just as no knows how a Creator fashioned a Universe out of whatever preceded it or how Jesus was able to turn water into wine and feed a great crowd with a few loaves and fish. Yet many people will reject one for lack of a credible explanation of how, while accepting the others without question and see no contradiction. This is how religious belief can undermine science.Seversky
September 20, 2022
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@martin Viola Lee, in a different post, wrote, “ID routinely starts with design by human beings as the analog by which to infer design by non-human designers…” [VL was not necessarily giving this as an opinion but was put in the context of identifying inconsistency in an argument] I think I see a commonality with VL’s remark in your 2 & 3, namely, there is no reason whatever to assume cause-and-effect laws and principles in design, physics and chemistry had the slightest role in setting initial conditions - matter/energy from nothing and life from non-life. Is this the case?Belfast
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Martin_r at 5, What is wrong with you? You take some brainwashed scientists who think living things are just mechanisms with parts, like a car. If they find the right parts they can duplicate a car or a living cell. Simple, right? :)relatd
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