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Michael Behe writes:

The more science progresses, the more hapless Darwin seems.

In my 2019 book Darwin Devolves I showed that random mutation and natural selection are powerful de-volutionary forces. That is, they quickly lead to the loss of genetic information. The reason is that, in many environmental circumstances, a species’ lot can be improved most quickly by breaking or blunting pre-existing genes. To get the point across, I used an analogy to a quick way to improve a car’s gas mileage — remove the hood, throw out the doors, get rid of any excess weight. That will help the car go further, but it also reduces the number of features of the car. And it sure doesn’t explain how any of those now-jettisoned parts got there in the first place.

Image credit: Thomas Quine, CC BY 2.0 , via Wikimedia Commons.

The Bottom Line

The same goes for biology. Helpful mutations that arrive most quickly are very much more likely to degrade genetic features than to construct new ones. The featured illustration in Darwin Devolves was the polar bear, which has accumulated a number of beneficial mutations since it branched off from the brown bear a few hundred thousand years ago. Yet the large majority of those beneficial mutations were degradative — they broke or damaged pre-existing genes. For example, a gene involved in fur pigmentation was damaged, rendering the beast white — that helped; another gene involved in fat metabolism was degraded, allowing the animal to consume lots of seal blubber, its main food in the Arctic — that helped, too. Those mutations were good for the species in the moment — they did improve its chances of survival. But degradative mutations don’t explain how the functioning genes got there in the first place. Even worse, the relentless burning of genetic information to adapt to a changing environment will make a species evolutionarily brittle and more prone to extinction. The bottom line: Although random mutation and natural selection help a species adapt, Darwinian processes can’t account for the origins of sophisticated biological systems.

In Darwin Devolves, I also mentioned work on DNA extracted from frozen woolly mammoth carcasses that showcased devolution: “26 genes were shown to be seriously degraded, many of which (as with polar bear) were involved in fat metabolism, critical in the extremely cold environments that the mammoth roamed.” It turns out that was an underestimate. A new paper1 that has sequenced DNA from several more woolly mammoth remains says the true number is more than triple that — 87 genes broken compared to their elephant relatives. 

There’s Lots More

The point is that these gene losses aren’t side shows — they are the events that transformed an elephant into a mammoth, that adapted the animal to its changing environment. A job well done, yes, but now those genes are gone forever, unavailable to help with the next change of environment. Perhaps that contributed to eventual mammoth extinction.

As quoted above, the mammoth authors note that gene losses can be adaptive, and they cited a paper that I hadn’t seen before. I checked it out and it’s a wonderful laboratory evolution study of yeast.2 Helsen et al. (2020) used a collection of yeast strains in which one of each different gene in the genome had been knocked out. They grew the knockout yeast in a stressful environment and watched to see how the microbes evolved to handle it. Many of the yeast strains, with different genes initially knocked out, recovered, and some even surpassed the fitness of wild-type yeast under the circumstances. The authors emphasized the fact of the evolutionary recovery. However, they also clearly stated (but don’t seem to have noticed the importance of the fact) that all of the strains rebounded by breaking other genes, ones that had been intact at the beginning of the experiment. None built anything new, all of them devolved.

Well, Duh

That’s hardly a surprise. At least in retrospect, it’s easy to see that devolution must happen — for the simple reason that helpful degradative mutations are more plentiful than helpful constructive ones and thus arrive more quickly for natural selection to multiply. The more recent results recounted here just pile more evidence onto that gathered in Darwin Devolves showing Darwin’s mechanism is powerfully devolutionary. That simple realization neatly explains results ranging from the evolutionary behavior of yeast in a comfy modern laboratory, to the speciation of megafauna in raw nature millions of years ago, and almost certainly to everything in between.

References

  1. Van der Valk, Tom, et al. 2022. Evolutionary consequences of genomic deletions and insertions in the woolly mammoth genome. iScience 25, 104826.
  2. Helsen, J. et al. 2020. Gene loss predictably drives evolutionary adaptation. Molecular Biology and Evolution 37, 2989–3002.

Behe’s conclusions have significant implications: evolutionary adaptation seems to progress by breaking existing genes in such a way as to confer a survival advantage in a niche environment; the result is a more “brittle” species with fewer options for surviving further environmental stresses; the mystery of the origin of the original genes is in no way explained by natural means at any step in the process. Rather than Darwinian evolution providing a mechanism for the “origin of the species,” it more adequately explains the demise of species.

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JVL at 376, I work with professional writers. Using the correct and best words matter. There is a particular area where this applies: Propaganda. Once a person understands how it works it's easy to spot. I notice you accepted my statement as likely true instead of asking: Did you work for the NSA? I did not but I added that example to check on your fact checking ability. You failed.relatd
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JVL at 376, I apologize for any incorrect assumptions but stand by my analysis. You are here for three reasons: 1) Tear down religious belief. 2) Promote blind, unguided chance that is directionless as the reason for development of life on Earth. 3) Tear down ID as valid science. Those three things are easily proven. I know, and others should realize, that you will continue to do these things as long as you can.relatd
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Relatd: Which statement is true? It depends on who the reader thinks is more credible. You are not very credible. They could both be true. My point was that you made assumptions about me and my background which were not correct. I'm suggesting you should not do that. The NSA (who I interviewed with) certainly does hire a lot of programmers and I have no reason to question that you might have worked for them and written code for them.JVL
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Jerry: Transposon and other mutations to junk DNA are the basis for punctuated equilibrium. Pretty sure that's not correct. But, please, show me I'm wrong. The fine tuning of the universe and Earth is pretty definitive of something. It defies probabilities. Assuming things can be tuned at all. You don't know that that is the case. What if that mighty being was rewarding those who obeyed and punishing those who disobeyed? Why would they do that? What ultra-intelligent being just wants sycophants who do whatever they are told? Have you thought this through? My guess is you would change your tune very quickly and you would not defy this being. You would become an automaton. Is that what you would do? But a good question is “are you an actual being without free will?” You say you believe something that you cannot justify. What would cause such a situation. Beliefs that are automatic despite no rational basis to support them. Is that one form of an automaton? What do I believe that I cannot justify? What do you believe that you cannot justify to the same criteria?JVL
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Asauber: What you mean is, someone who proves themselves to you on demand, on your terms. This is complete stupidity as far as what would be required for accepting evidence. You asked me what I would look for. I'm sorry it's not the same as you or what you think is acceptable. Did you ask God what (s)he thinks?JVL
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JVL at 371, Assuming what I think? Here are two statements: You. I wrote computer code for the Navy. Me. I wrote computer code for the NSA. Which statement is true? It depends on who the reader thinks is more credible. You are not very credible.relatd
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evidence I would consider definitive
The fine tuning of the universe and Earth is pretty definitive of something. It defies probabilities.
Why should I, even in the face of a mighty being with lots of power
What if that mighty being was rewarding those who obeyed and punishing those who disobeyed? My guess is you would change your tune very quickly and you would not defy this being. You would become an automaton. As it stands now you have the free will to accept or reject. But a good question is “are you an actual being without free will?” You say you believe something that you cannot justify. What would cause such a situation. Beliefs that are automatic despite no rational basis to support them. Is that one form of an automaton?jerry
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Relatd: All you do is lie and deny, like a few others here. I have not lied. You want to think that's true but it's not.JVL
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Transposon and other mutations to junk DNA are the basis for punctuated equilibrium. This has been pointed out several times on other threads and need go no further here. Theoretically this is supposedly the origin of new sequences for new proteins. Unlikely but hundreds of journal articles have been written supporting this premise. DNA is a rather sophisticated computer like code that defies all possibilities to have originated through natural processes. This is one attempt to explain it. If one should want to comment on it, they should use the recent Thaxton thread https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/at-evolution-news-from-intelligent-cause-to-intelligent-design-my-debt-to-charles-thaxton/#comment-763124jerry
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"Someone who could violate the laws of physics at will would be a good start" Troll, What you mean is, someone who proves themselves to you on demand, on your terms. This is complete stupidity as far as what would be required for accepting evidence. Andrewasauber
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JVL at 366, Put a sock in your mouth. All you do is lie and deny, like a few others here.relatd
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Jerry: Especially if that God wanted His existence to be in doubt. Answer: there would be definitive evidence but it would not be absolute. Which is what we have. I don't see any evidence I would consider definitive but I might be using the term differently from you. Raising someone from the dead would be definitive IF it were true. But did it actually, absolutely happen . . . Is that what you're thinking? Now some will not believe unless they can see this God up close and personal. But if this were available, then what free will would remain after such an experience. Answer: none. The individual would become an automaton. Maybe for you but I don't think that would be the case for others. Why should I, even in the face of a mighty being with lots of power and knowledge stop thinking and acting for myself? That doesn't follow at all. In fact, if I knew such power and knowledge was possible I think I'd become even more independent hoping I could maybe even partially achieve such loftiness.JVL
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Relatd: I mean if ID gets into the schools, the Marxist-Atheist teachers will be exposed as Marxist-Atheists. Too funny. The most important teacher I had in all my years of education, the one person that most influenced my future in academia was (and still is) a very devote Christian. She was the one that most encouraged me and supported me in learning mathematics. She used to hold prayer sessions before classes, I attended a couple. Without her I would have become a different person. We're still friends. We respect each other. A year or so after I last took a class from her I went back to visit and she gave me a copy of our senior textbook which I still have and treasure. (It's real old school, it's fabulous.) Her also devote husband taught me chemistry and physics and I still remember (and repeat) some of the ways he taught me to think about things. I cannot even begin to tell you how intellectually important those two people were to me. Forty years ago or more. Put a sock in it. In your case – two socks. Put a sock in what? I should just shut up because why? ‘Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” This was after Thomas demanded proof that Jesus had risen from the dead. Does that mean that those you would like more evidence are condemned or shunned or banned? Do you go to hell because you use what you claim is your God-given reason to question and wonder and ask? Why is blind faith better than questioned faith? You don't need to answer that. It just gives you and idea of how I see things. We don't agree which is just fine. We don't have to. And, anyway, none of this has anything to do with science.JVL
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Jerry at 363, You don't know the Bible very well. Seeing God turns no one into an automaton. John 20:29 'Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” This was after Thomas demanded proof that Jesus had risen from the dead.relatd
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JVL at 360, Put a sock in it. In your case - two socks.relatd
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no convincing evidence
If there was a God, how would we know? Especially if that God wanted His existence to be in doubt. Answer: there would be definitive evidence but it would not be absolute. Which is what we have. Now some will not believe unless they can see this God up close and personal. But if this were available, then what free will would remain after such an experience. Answer: none. The individual would become an automaton.jerry
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Relatd: What idiot wrote this? A Darwinist? Junk DNA/transposons again? If you know this guy, tell him I think he’s an idiot and by extension, anyone who believes that. Can you present clear evidence that the statement is not true? Let's start there. The Human Genome project was just completed. There are repeats in the code. Got that? Repeats. Sounds just like a computer program with check-sum restraints. Learn something about computer programs or I will taunt you a second time. Ooo, I'm an idiot about computer programs now am I? Let me see . . . how many lines was that inventory tracking database I created for the US Navy . . . 30,000 lines of code? Something like that. I don't remember having to repeat anything . . . I remember declaring functions or procedures and calling them multiple times though. Repeating the same code over and over is just sloppy and wasteful. And, by the way, I also wrote some interface testing apps in assembler code that used checksums. And some dif eq numerical methods programs. Shall I go on?JVL
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Querius at 358, JVL's job here - and that's what it is - has to be to tear down ID and promote evolution. You, and every human being on the planet are the end result of a bunch of accidents that just happened - by accident - to have created human beings. You can say that over and over but it won't stop JVL from reading from the prepared script over and over and over and over and over... And over. It's his mission. His commitment. I mean if ID gets into the schools, the Marxist-Atheist teachers will be exposed as Marxist-Atheists. People would start thinking about God. And then people like JVL would disappear from this site as if he never existed.relatd
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Querius: Of course you can’t see with your eyes tightly shut! Shut to what? Show me the evidence. There’s no demonstrable biophysics that can ratchet up complexity to the astonishing level within a living cell! I think the case has been made once there is a basic biological replicator. Meanwhile, back at the ID ranch . . . when did your undefined and unobserved designer do what exactly? Make a smoothy out of bacterial cells, hit it with electricity, heat, cold, atmospheric gases, whatever, to demonstrate this fantasy of self organization into extremely high levels of complexity. You won’t because you know you can’t. No one is claiming it happened quickly or in one big event. Why do you keep railing against an argument no one is making? And then, you claim you don’t have any evidence of external intervention that would otherwise be OBVIOUS in computers, jet aircraft, and cities that are far less complex than a living cell. That's right, I haven't seen any credible evidence that there was any intervention in a process that took literally millions and millions of years just to get to the first multi-celled creature. Great design that eh? If it walks like a duck, flies like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you’re not convinced that it isn’t a giraffe. When you can learn to address the actual case made by the unguided evolutionary theory instead of some cartoon, straw-man version you might get some people to take you seriously. If you're just going to not even address the real issues then you're going to be ignored.JVL
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JVL at 357, "Together with non-functional relics of old transposons, they account for over half of total human DNA." What idiot wrote this? A Darwinist? Junk DNA/transposons again? If you know this guy, tell him I think he's an idiot and by extension, anyone who believes that. The Human Genome Project was just completed. There are repeats in the code. Got that? Repeats. Sounds just like a computer program with check-sum restraints. Learn something about computer programs or I will taunt you a second time. https://www.genome.gov/about-nhgri/Director/genomics-landscape/april-7-2022-the-human-genome-sequence-is-now-completerelatd
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JVL @344
I’ve just seen no convincing evidence any gods exist.
Of course you can't see with your eyes tightly shut! There's no demonstrable biophysics that can ratchet up complexity to the astonishing level within a living cell! Make a smoothy out of bacterial cells, hit it with electricity, heat, cold, atmospheric gases, whatever, to demonstrate this fantasy of self organization into extremely high levels of complexity. You won't because you know you can't. And then, you claim you don't have any evidence of external intervention that would otherwise be OBVIOUS in computers, jet aircraft, and cities that are far less complex than a living cell. If it walks like a duck, flies like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you're not convinced that it isn't a giraffe. Pathetic. -QQuerius
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Relatd: “DNA looks nothing like a computer program. It’s messy. It’s got lots of broken bits. It’s got lots of unnecessary repeats. It’s not well organised.” And evolution got around all that? Stupid. Evolution didn't 'get around' all that. It doesn't work the same is the point. Just stop thinking of DNA like a computer program. It isn't a computer program. It doesn't act like one. It doesn't look like one. It wasn't developed like one. It's not 'executed' like one. How many large computer programs have you written? Did they look anything like DNA?
Transposable genetic elements, DNA sequences that can replicate and insert copies of themselves at other locations within a host genome, are an abundant component in the human genome. The most abundant transposon lineage, Alu, has about 50,000 active copies, and can be inserted into intragenic and intergenic regions. One other lineage, LINE-1, has about 100 active copies per genome (the number varies between people). Together with non-functional relics of old transposons, they account for over half of total human DNA.
What kind of computer program is like that?JVL
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Relatd: Fantasy Games Unlimited did a Bushido RPG Ah, yes. I had a friend who was big fan. Steve Jackson used to publish a magazine called Space Gamer, so yes he did SF. I remember the magazine. There was a particular space D&D like game . . . it had shotguns which we all figured out pretty quickly were great weapons against people in spacesuits. This would have been 1983 or so . . .JVL
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JVL at 353, The stupidest thing you've ever posted: "DNA looks nothing like a computer program. It’s messy. It’s got lots of broken bits. It’s got lots of unnecessary repeats. It’s not well organised." And evolution got around all that? Stupid.relatd
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Asauber: You’re in a self-defeating loop. Would you accept God personally introducing Himself at your front door as evidence He exists? What short of that would you accept? Anything? Someone who could violate the laws of physics at will would be a good start. Someone who could answer some intractable mathematics questions would be nice too. Even being able to clear up some particular historical issues would be decent. There is another question of course: whose god am I accepting? Your's? Martin Luther's? The Archbishop of Canterbury's? Thomas Aquinas's? Mohammed's? The god from Zoroastrianism? Which one is the one true god? Who's to say? You? How can I judge who's right?JVL
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Kairosfocus: IYou know there are extensive coded algorithms in the cell, with associated execution machinery using molecular nanotech. In a manner of speaking . . . We were not there, our planet’s bio life was not there when it originated, that is how cell based life on Earth originated and it is how it functions in key part. The FSCO/I involved for first life is 100 – 1,000 kbases, for body plans, 10 – 100+ mn bases. For cause, it is maximally implausible that such FSCO/I could have come about by blind chance and mechanical necessity. Not all at once and at that magnitude. No one is saying that. I rather doubt the first basic replicator had 100 k-bases to start! That's an assertion on your part, can you back it up? But routinely, FSCO/I comes by design. By humans, that's the only being we've observed capable of such things. DNA looks nothing like a computer program. It's messy. It's got lots of broken bits. It's got lots of unnecessary repeats. It's not well organised. There are no comments to help interpret it. I know what some people have said about DNA but, seriously, if you submitted it to a computer science prof as a dissertation they'd kick you out of the university. Additionally, DNA doesn't act like a computer program. Parts can be activated or not NOT based on the progression of some algorithm or logic condition but based on the chemistry of the environment. Bits get turned off and on not because of some IF THEN ELSE statement in the code. It doesn't look like computer code, it doesn't act like computer code, it's not arranged like computer code, massive bits of it are not even transcribed or read. It gets copied when the cell gets an external trigger outside of the code itself. How many computer programs have you written? Did they look anything like DNA? Did they behave like DNA? Were they compiled and executed like DNA? (Hint: DNA is not compiled or even executed in the same way.)JVL
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JVL at 334, Fantasy Games Unlimited did a Bushido RPG. Steve Jackson used to publish a magazine called Space Gamer, so yes he did SF. Then there's GURPS.relatd
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"it’s a question of how credible and solid the evidence is" Troll, You're in a self-defeating loop. Would you accept God personally introducing Himself at your front door as evidence He exists? What short of that would you accept? Anything? Andrewasauber
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JVL, IYou know there are extensive coded algorithms in the cell, with associated execution machinery using molecular nanotech. We were not there, our planet's bio life was not there when it originated, that is how cell based life on Earth originated and it is how it functions in key part. The FSCO/I involved for first life is 100 - 1,000 kbases, for body plans, 10 - 100+ mn bases. For cause, it is maximally implausible that such FSCO/I could have come about by blind chance and mechanical necessity. But routinely, FSCO/I comes by design. Hence, the observed but often unacknowledged SETI wow signal. KFkairosfocus
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Kairosfocus: an extensive SETI signal has been observed. But it is not beaming in from space, it is in the heart of the cell I don't even know what that means!!JVL
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