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At Mind Matters News: Can quantum physics, neuroscience merge as quantum consciousness?

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Physicist Marcelo Gleiser looks at the pros and cons of current theories:

Physicist and astronomer Marcelo Gleiser offers some thoughts as to the light quantum mechanics — as opposed to classical physics — can shed on consciousness. The problem, he thinks, is that both quantum mechanics and consciousness are mysteries and adding them two mysteries together doesn’t produce simple answers:

News, “Can quantum physics, neuroscience merge as quantum consciousness?” at Mind Matters News (November 28, 2021)

The truth is that despite the tremendous success of quantum physics when it comes to its applications — the digital and nuclear technologies that define much of modern life — its interpretation remains uncertain, a target of heated debate among physicists. We know how to use quantum physics, but we do not know what it is telling us about the nature of reality.

Marcelo Gleiser, “Can quantum mechanics explain consciousness?” at Big Think (November 24, 2021)

It’s the same with the brain and the mind:

In a nutshell, the issue here is that tagging neuronal activity is the easy part of the task. The hard part is understanding how active neurons conspire to create the sense of who we are — that is, translating bioelectrical activity and blood flow into self-awareness.

Marcelo Gleiser, “Can quantum mechanics explain consciousness?” at Big Think (November 24, 2021)

Indeed. For example, in a recent discussion, neuropsychologist Mark Solms and neurosurgeon Michael Egnor agreed that, while neuroscientists tend to see the prefrontal cortex of the human brain as the seat of consciousness, clinical experience points to portions of the brain stem, which we share with other vertebrates, of varying degrees of intelligence or self-awareness. [Not much help.]

[Wethinks they’ll be at this a long time.]


Takehome: The problem is, if we assume that “the mind is nothing more than the brain,” there may be nothing we can discover about how it works. Gleiser wishes we could prove that that’s wrong but he can’t.

You may also wish to read: Does science disprove free will? A physicist says no. Marcelo Gleiser notes that the mind is not a solar system with strict deterministic laws. Apart from simple laws governing neurons, we have no clue what laws the mind follows, though it does show complex nonlinear dynamics. (Michael Egnor)

4 Replies to “At Mind Matters News: Can quantum physics, neuroscience merge as quantum consciousness?

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    chuckdarwin says:

    Sounds like the Vulcan Mind Meld to me, Mr. Spock……

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    doubter says:

    “Can quantum mechanics explain consciousness?” I don’t think so, because this still invokes the very very Hard Problem of consciousness, and the mystery of mind-body interaction. I prefer interactive mind-body dualism (they are fundamentally different substances where the immaterial spirit is irreducible to the fields, forces and quantum mechanical entities and interactions that constitute our physical reality).

    The standard objection to mind-body dualism is the question, how can an immaterial mind interact with a material body? My suggestion is that this known interaction is simply the way things work in our reality. A brute fact of the nature of our reality, built in by the powers-that-be to allow immaterial spirits to effectively inhabit and manifest in physical bodies and live their lives. No need to analyze further, because it is part of the underlying body of laws that govern our Universe. Like the interaction between an electron current and electrical conductors involving generated electromagnetic fields and induced electromotive forces. Of course this automatic lawlike behavior originates due to yet lower-level interactions involving quantum mechanics, but physicists just don’t know why this interactivity and its nature are built into our reality, perhaps except for the metaphysical philosophical observation that they are necessary for our physical world to exist.

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    Seversky says:

    Chuckdarwin/1

    Sounds like the Vulcan Mind Meld to me, Mr. Spock……

    Fascinating!

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    William J Murray says:

    Nothing can “explain” consciousness. What quantum physics has demonstrated is that consciousness is fundamental and that what we call “physical reality” is caused by and responsive to consciousness interacting with abstract information. Both matter and energy are patterns of informational constructs experienced by consciousness in mind.

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