At The Conversation: How could the Big Bang arise from nothing?

_{Denyse O'Leary

January 4, 2022

Big Bang, Intelligent Design}

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The ouroboros of the one cyclic universe is majestic indeed. It contains within its belly our own universe, as well as every one of the weird and wonderful alternative possible universes allowed by quantum physics – and at the point where its head meets its tail, it is completely empty yet also coursing with energy at temperatures of a hundred thousand million billion trillion degrees Celsius. Even Loki, the shapeshifter, would be impressed.
Alastair Wilson, “How could the Big Bang arise from nothing?” at The Conversation (January 3, 2022)

Wait. There is a simpler explanation: In the beginning, the Lord created the heavens and the earth.

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The cosmic egg wasn't "nothing"ET_{January 6, 2022
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Doubter said:
... the material Universe’s constituents of quarks and other elementary particles, fields and forces, ..
Unfortunately (as far as a designing God as a necessary entity is concerned) for your response, science has demonstrated that there is no such thing as a material universe, elementary particles, fields and forces other than as mental experiences of physicality and patterns of mental phenomena. It appears that the intelligence that is selecting, translating and organizing abstract information into the experience of these things is us, as demonstrated by quantum physics experiments. God as a deliberate actor in the deliberate creation of an intelligently-designed universe would be better argued, from the science, as deliberately confining the range of potential that individual people have available to them for the observation-collapsed specifics of their experience of a physical world. IOW, from the evidence and for a God-as-designer argument, God somehow removed most of the possibilities from our capacity to experience, and left us only a tiny range of possibilities, not as an actual material world, but as a kind of accessible subset of potentials.William J Murray_{January 6, 2022
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Louis Pasteur, the father of microbiology, who said it best. "A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you near to Him."BobRyan_{January 6, 2022
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Seversky@4
No, it’s not a simpler explanation. We start with our Universe. I don’t accept it came from absolutely nothing but that explanation doesn’t necessarily require some other entity. Saying God did it invokes another entity, without showing it’s necessary, which means it falls foul of Occam’s Razor.
Not so fast. The Universe and our reality in general incorporate a massive amount of complex specified information in many forms: the immaterial laws of logic and incredible structure of mathematics, the laws of physics including quantum mechanics finely tuned for the existence of life as we know it, the material Universe's constituents of quarks and other elementary particles, fields and forces, and, finally, life itself. All of this can be seen as as a exceedingly complex and intricate system of systems incorporating endless intricate machines of various sorts. Much research has established the existence of a beginning - the Big Bang. The potential including the necessary information in some form for all this to come about must have existed at that moment. The only conceivable source of such a beyond monumental organized structure is some form of creative intelligence. Certainly absolutely nothing has absolutely zero causative efficacy. And to say that it all must be looked at as a brute fact of existence with no explanation required is untenable. And we have only observed great amounts of complex specified information to come about from creative intelligence, namely our own. Never spontaneously from nothing.doubter_{January 5, 2022
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If the arguments point to God, why should religion not come up? If God is who he says he is... everything else is a sub-topic... religion isn't a compartment, but instead the key to all. But, secularism wants religion as a category, not everything. Jesus said, you search the scriptures because you think there is life in them, but what they testify to is me! John 5. Jesus is the key to everything. Everything. Ironically, as they object to an overtly theistic post, it is the skeptics on here that have all the theological questions in the comments, and usually really don't deal honestly with the data and findings of science. The objections and rabbits and theological lack of knowledge by skeptics should only bolster the faith of those reading. Humility is the door one must walk through to find grace. Humility that leads to a surrender to Christ. Come all who are thirsty and drink of Christ! Come all who are weary and heavy burdened and Christ will give you rest... he is better than everything else.zweston_{January 5, 2022
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But, of course, ID and UD have nothing to do with religion…
It has to do with clicks. You and a lot of others would never comment/click if there were no religion allowed. It's a capitalist conspiracy.jerry_{January 5, 2022
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Quite the morning for "God hypotheses."
In the beginning, the Lord created the heavens and the earth.
And then this from "The Million To One Statistical Fluke That Creates Our Universe:"
Which points out the whole problem of abductive reasoning in the historical sciences (which this is) — you have to be exhaustive in your theorizing. And only God is exhaustive. Which makes abductive reasoning somewhat theological.
And finally, from "At Fox News: Adam And Eve Are Compatible With Evolution":
Swamidass argues that genetics and evolutionary theory do not conflict with the existence of Adam and Eve, universal ancestors of all humans whom Jesus died to save.
But, of course, ID and UD have nothing to do with religion...... ;-)chuckdarwin_{January 5, 2022
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"First, there’s an even simpler explanation: our universe exists because it necessarily exists" WJM, Sure, give the universe (whatever that is) God-like properties and declare yourself the winner. Not science. More like wishful thinking. Andrewasauber_{January 5, 2022
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First, there's an even simpler explanation: our universe exists because it necessarily exists. It is simpler because it doesn't require something else to generate or create it. Second, there is no coherent theory of the origin narrative we call "the big bang" because there is no significant theory of time. If, as some physicists claim, what we call time is the perception of motion through a 4th dimension, then the "big bang" is just one location out of countless locations, and our perception of it as an origin point is a matter of perspective, not the actual, causal "origin" of the entire 4D entity we call the past, present and future of the physical universe. And, of course, this is more simply understood as consciousness interacting with eternal potential (information,) which means not only does our universe necessarily exist, so does every potential universe. Everything is thus a necessary being, and contingent cause and effect is just what sequences of necessary entities look like from the motion of one's own perspective. The only true cause and effect would be mental.William J Murray_{January 5, 2022
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"As for worldviews, I don’t think they exist in the sense of being a useful way of classifying peoples views" Sev, Yet you are here, openly hostile to an ID oriented worldview. Andrewasauber_{January 5, 2022
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One God is by far more simple than countless just-so accidents. Duh. Worldviews are great in classifying peoples' views. It gets to the heart of what they are thinking. It's about finding out where they are coming from and correcting it if it is nonsense. And materialism is total nonsense.ET_{January 5, 2022
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No, it's not a simpler explanation. We start with our Universe. I don't accept it came from absolutely nothing but that explanation doesn't necessarily require some other entity. Saying God did it invokes another entity, without showing it's necessary, which means it falls foul of Occam's Razor. As for worldviews, I don't think they exist in the sense of being a useful way of classifying peoples views. It usually comes down to accusing anyone who doesn't share the accusers evangelical Christian faith of being a socialist, Marxist, Communist, atheist, materialist, naturalist, Darwinist, etc. It's about stereotyping, vilifying and demonizing anyone who disagrees with you. That's all.Seversky_{January 5, 2022
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I agree with Martin_r, The worldview must be maintained, even when it goes screaming into absurdity. Andrewasauber_{January 5, 2022
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Remove God and you remove the laws of physics, since not a single one could have come about randomly.BobRyan_{January 5, 2022
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There is a simpler explanation: In the beginning, the Lord created the heavens and the earth.
when you worship Darwinism, this explanation is too simple... When you believe in Darwinism, an explanation/theory/hypothesis should be as complex/absurd/irrational/implausible as possible... and, it has to ignore everything what humans especially engineers learned so far ... because biologists/paleontologists/archeologists developed a 'theory' ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kk37iFgWkmartin_r_{January 5, 2022
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