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Barna profiles a generation on the cliff’s crumbling edge — 78 million US Millennials

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Barna’s current report, “New Insights into the Generation of Growing Influence: Millennials In America,” is a portrait of a generation adrift, dancing on the edge of a cliff, and reflective of generations of civilisational betrayal by intellectual, policy/political, media and educational leadership leading to a destabilised culture. And so, this cannot wait, triple bereavement life crisis or no, this needs to be highlighted and preliminarily assessed here at UD:

The report’s snapshot summary tells the grim story in outline:

And:

Also, we may add on Religious identification, affinity and affiliation:

We can start with the obvious, as within living memory of those of us who were of age to notice, between 1989 and 1991, Marxism’s credibility as a principle of economic organisation collapsed before our eyes. So, if the immediately following generation does not understand such after its seventy years of chaos, tyranny, state led murder of over 100 millions and outright economic failure, we are dealing with a generation that were deliberately misled by ideologues who cared not a whit for that horrific track record. One that is actually worse than that of Communism’s kissing cousin, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party (Nazi, for short). (And yes, they meant the “Socialist.”)

So, first and foremost we are dealing with a deeply manipulated generation robbed of objective truth about pivotal worldview, policy, history, ideology and personal matters. That indicts at least two to three full generations of intellectual, policy, media and educational leaders and influencers, with implications across the full span of the pillars of community influence:

Likewise, the Overton Window speaks:

Where, the modified political spectrum is therefore also instructive on the peril:

So, it is unsurprising to see the overall outline being sketched. Selecting key points:

  • almost half of those born 1984 – 2002 prefer socialism to capitalism
  • a majority (likely with a large opposed minority and that’s the obvious trend-direction) “held a positive opinion of Jesus Christ, the United States of America and the Bible”
  • Confirming that inference, 40% “don’t know if God exists, don’t care if God exists, or don’t believe that He exists.” (God, the necessary and maximally great being at reality’s root is the single most important point of knowledge of reality; where, a serious candidate necessary being either exists as framework to any possible world or is impossible of being, the latter never having been shown. So the hyperskeptical indifference is telling on intellectual breakdown.)
  • Unsurprisingly, in this light, only 1/3 claim to “believe in God as the all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect and just creator of the universe who still rules the universe today”
  • parallelling this, “Roughly two-thirds . . . align themselves with the Christian faith”
  • likewise, “[j]ust over one-quarter of them said they do not associate with any religious faith”
  • “39% of 18-24 year olds identify as LGBTQ” (Historically, in the West, 1 – 3% have been practicing homosexuals but this proportion globally ranges from vanishingly small to 100% forced participation through institutionalisation, in different cultures.)
  • “[t]hree out of four . . . believe all religious faiths are of equal value”
  • on “social issues,” 40 percent [a now familiar figure] identify as liberal or progressivist, with 29% as conservative.
  • they identify as Democrats vs Republicans 2:1, revealing the predominant ideological influencers of their formative years
  • “[m]ost Millennials reject the existence of absolute moral truth and identify feelings, experiences, and advice from family and friends as their most trusted sources of moral guidance” (That is, they drift with the cultural flow and thus those who dominate education and media.)
  • likewise, three out of four “said that they are still searching for their purpose in life,” reflecting the influence of worldviews and cultural agendas that are antithetical to purpose, other than arbitrarily selected desires
  • “[o]f the nine cultural influencer categories tested, none of them were trusted by a majority to “always or almost always tell the truth or do what is right.” (This cynicism reflects disintegration of social and cultural capital built up over generations.)
  • “[t]he least trusted entities were entertainment celebrities, popular social media personalities, and elected government officials” (So, the influences come through peers and opinion leaders in families and groups.)
  • “The most highly trusted influencers were their parents and friends”
  • 2 out of 3 “admitted to avoiding interaction with someone if it was likely to produce conflict,” which tends to block change based on mutually critical reflection and to reinforce cultural echo chambers
  • issues they prioritise indicate “never let a crisis go to waste” media domination of their thinking: “CORONAVIRUS MANAGEMENT, CLIMATE CHANGE, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, ABORTION, THE ECONOMY”

The need for a sound counter-culture is patent. END

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Sev, I suggest you read here and revise your ill informed misconception that it is "religion" that causes wars, tumults etc. A much sounder one liner would be, lawless oligarchy, which is unfortunately the natural state of human government, and it is in fact the truth that religious thinkers and innovators acting on religiously motivated ethical and governance principles -- e.g. Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos and the double covenant view of nationhood and government under God -- who played key roles in the rise of modern liberty in constitutional democracies, scroll up to the OP on a more historically justified political spectrum. KFkairosfocus
November 21, 2021
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Querius Here’s what Dreher writes: Progressivism in all its forms [left and right] appeals to the same desire in intelligent young people today—both secular and those within churches who are alienated from authoritative ecclesial traditions [or those who are ignorant of the scriptures and the authentic Christianity described in them -Q]
:) That authoritative ecclesial tradition compiled and kept the Bible (for 2000 years )that was stolen by many "churches" appeared yesterday like mushrooms after rain. I invite you to read the history of the Church from Jesus till todays to "detect" which one is the real Church. The Sacraments and grace must be transmitted uninterrupted from Pentecost, the descent of the Holy Spirit on the disciples of Jesus. How Meeting an Eastern Orthodox Priest Changed my Protestant Theology Why Would A Protestant Christian Convert to Eastern Orthodox ChristianityLieutenant Commander Data
November 19, 2021
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F/N: Dinesh D'Sousa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uS8A0TVE9Akairosfocus
November 19, 2021
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Or the millions lost over the preceding millennia in religious conflicts.Seversky
November 19, 2021
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MNY, one can compare loss, e.g. the 100+ millions murdered by Marx-inspired totalitarian regimes across C20kairosfocus
November 19, 2021
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Looking at it. Useful. (Use the look inside feature here.)kairosfocus
November 19, 2021
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Kairosfocus @163, I hope you at least consider getting the book I recommended, Live Not By Lies, a Manual for Christian Dissidents by Rod Dreher (2021). -QQuerius
November 18, 2021
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Kairosfocus @162, Yes, and as soon as an entrepreneur looks for external private funding, the venture becomes capitalist. And even venture capitalists will tell you that not all promising ventures should be externally capitalized. There's a book on the subject published by the Harvard School of Business IIRC. In addition to capital, VCs require a seasoned business manager to run ventures in which they invest, and will choose one if not already employed. -QQuerius
November 18, 2021
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Querius, distortion is the operative word, tantamount to cult. Yes, there is a culture form marxist hierarchy of the victim/oppressor classes based on sociocultural identity or personal factors such as race/ethnicity, sex etc, leading to breakdown of rational conduct through imposition of a procrustean bed narrative of oppression that then undermines due balance of rights, freedoms and duties. Such is currently being pushed hard as a cultic claim in our civilisation but is patently ruinous. KFkairosfocus
November 17, 2021
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Querius, strictly, free enterprise can obtain with socialised or communal ownership, so it is not equivalent to capitalism. As for, capital being external to entrepreneurship, that is why there is recognition of sweat equity and it is why stock options used to be issued. KFkairosfocus
November 17, 2021
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Kairosfocus @155,
Querius, a religion, it is not. A demonically destructive, idolatrous political messianism cult, maybe. KF
Here’s what Dreher writes:
As a perversion of religion, Progress as an ideology speaks appealingly to hungry human hearts. As Milosz and other [Soviet bloc] dissidents testify, communism answered an essentially religious longing in the souls of young intellectuals. Progressivism in all its forms [left and right] appeals to the same desire in intelligent young people today—both secular and those within churches who are alienated from authoritative ecclesial traditions [or those who are ignorant of the scriptures and the authentic Christianity described in them -Q] This is why Christians today must understand that, fundamentally, they aren’t resisting a different politics but rather what is effectively a rival religion.
Dreher also goes on to say that SJWs argue “truth” not by logic or reason [or history -Q] but by the class hierarchy of the person making the truth claim. That’s why SJWs are deaf to logic and reason when it’s not promoted by someone in a non-cancelled class and not strictly current SJW orthodoxy. Thus, it’s absolutely pointless to argue with them. -QQuerius
November 17, 2021
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Kairosfocus @156, Regarding the definition of capitalism, My contention is that the term is often a misnomer based on the assertion that “capitalism” is simply everything that’s not socialism. In contrast, I’m suggesting that “free enterprise” is something that’s different from capitalism. If I start a company with my research and “sweat equity” to provide goods and services that benefit a segment of a society, I’m not relying on someone else’s capital investment. This is particularly obvious if I’m selling my expertise in an area as a consultant. On the other hand, “venture capitalists” will invest in a startup to try and double their investment in 3-5 years. But after that, they will continue to own part of the company, perhaps even a majority share. Regarding my previous comments on the U.S. becoming a totalitarian state, let me recommend a book that I just started reading: Live Not By Lies, a Manual for Christian Dissidents by Rod Dreher (2021). Here’s an excerpt from page 30:
In 1951 after the end of Word War II, [Hannah] Arendt published The Origins of Totalitarianism , the political philosopher’s classic study of what had happened in Germany and the Soviet Union, in an attempt to understand how such radical ideologies had seized the minds of men.
She went on to describe the widespread disillusionment with existing institutions, social “atomization,” and loneliness.
Totalitarian movements, said Arendt, are “mass organizations of atomized, isolated individuals.”
Dreher goes on to show how community cohesion has been lost to political polarization in all aspects of our lives, and how loneliness has become epidemic in our society. So far, it’s well worth the read and I think you would enjoy it. -QQuerius
November 17, 2021
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@Origenes "Truth is truth, there is no sense in breaking it up into multiple parts — such as ‘objective truth’ and ‘subjective truth’." It does make sense to break it up, because there are 2 parts of reality, creator and creation. What you say, it can only mean you have no clue about emotions, God, subjectivity. You stub your toe against the table, it is objective truth, you feel the pain, it is subjective truth. It would be a serious mistake to say that you can objectively measure pain. That would basically say that emotions and God, are material things, creations. It makes no sense, is a total conceptual mess. There is no doubt about it that there is a subjective part of reality, and an objective part of reality. It is proven by the logic used in common discourse with subjective statements and objective statements. 1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion 2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / factmohammadnursyamsu
November 17, 2021
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Jerry, yes, there is reasonable place for lawful intervention especially with monopolies and oligopolies without contestable markets, etc. I have specified, lawful state, free market enterprise economies. After 1991, the big questions were resolved in the direction of planning by distributed firms and households, coupled through markets with the civil peace of justice defended by a lawful state funded through moderate taxation informed by the Armey et al version of the Laffer curve, i.e. the short term tax revenue maximising point is well beyond the long run growth maximising point, which is the long term answer to poverty. And more. KFkairosfocus
November 17, 2021
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This is not really the place to discuss capitalism since little insight will emerge. There are about 20-30 types of capitalism so what does one mean by the term. Lassez faire is not necessarily free markets as large suppliers will often freeze out competition through sheer size advantage and stifle competition. So often there is not freedom on the supply side. This is not advocating for government planning but recognizing that so called free markets especially lassez faire are often not free. For example, there is a large market for consumables, for example tooth paste. Suppose a small innovator invents a process that eliminates the need for tooth paste. A large manufacturer of toothpaste buys the process and then buries the technology while holding the patent rights. Their toothpaste sales remain robust. Did the above happen? Not that I know of but I do know it happened in another very large market not just once but multiple times.jerry
November 17, 2021
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Querius, It seems a basic definition is in order, here, Investopedia:
What Is Capitalism? Capitalism is an economic system in which private individuals or businesses own capital goods. The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the general market—known as a market economy—rather than through central planning—known as a planned economy or command economy. The purest form of capitalism is free market or laissez-faire capitalism. Here, private individuals are unrestrained. They may determine where to invest, what to produce or sell, and at which prices to exchange goods and services. The laissez-faire marketplace operates without checks or controls. Today, most countries practice a mixed capitalist system that includes some degree of government regulation of business and ownership of select industries. 2:05 Capitalism Understanding Capitalism Functionally speaking, capitalism is one process by which the problems of economic production and resource distribution might be resolved. Instead of planning economic decisions through centralized political methods, as with socialism or feudalism, economic planning under capitalism occurs via decentralized and voluntary decisions.
The premise here is the mutually beneficial economic exchange. The baker prefers the cash with built in contribution margin to holding the perishable loaf, the consumer is willing to pay the price to get a fresh loaf of bread. Later on, the value of the loaf is lower as it becomes stale. The same obtains for the mass of information required to real-time plan an economy centrally, and the implication is, the central planning or state domination effort fails due to information chaos and choking. By having families and firms plan locally and interact through markets with the state defending the lawful civil peace of justice, we have a more robust and flexible, rapid framework for planning. one that automatically includes markets for innovation and investment. It is no mystery why lawful, free market enterprise with distributed, stakeholder planning interacting through markets shielded by the lawful state will in the long run outperform other seemingly plausible schemes. And it is no surprise that those with an over-inflated notion of their wisdom and capacity will resent the implication that no, they cannot successfully plan an economy and society as they cannot know enough, fast enough and how fast to respond consistently. Where, value is locked away in many minds, who see opportunities and risks that will never occur to a cabal of central planning Commissars. Now, we can speak of market failures, safety cushions etc, but must balance against the doctrine of ignorance/information choking and unintended consequences of central intervention. So, there must be responsible balance, which starts with recognising that capitalism does not equal robber baronism. Then we can proceed to draw lessons the ghosts of 100 million victims and the survivors have to tell us about what happened from 1917 to 1991. When we face these truths, we can then proceed to a sounder future. Meanwhile, institutions and individuals who spread the warped picture reported in the OP stand discredited, for those willing to pay attention. Frankly, in some cases this rises to malfeasance and willing betrayal of duty, duty to students and their parents, to the taxpayer and public (thus, to civilisation, which allows us to thrive), duty frankly to God who gave us the power of right reason and sound action under truth. Some investigations would be in order, with consequences. But I won't hold my breath waiting. KFkairosfocus
November 17, 2021
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Querius, a religion, it is not. A demonically destructive, idolatrous political messianism cult, maybe. KFkairosfocus
November 17, 2021
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Origenes, Fauci and others of officialdom have posed a false dilemma, used it to polarise and demonise, suppressing truth accessible for over a year about effective treatments as say Uttar Pradesh, India shows. Now, they must defend themselves in blood guilt and cannot ever concede truth about their malfeasance. So, their speaking in disregard to truth to try to profit at expense of those they mislead is of utterly no relevance. Save this, yet again we see that untruth is the premise of injustice and needless harm. KFkairosfocus
November 17, 2021
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What, philosophers, or intellectuals, cannot be liars, cheaters? They can be. Accusation, and praise is part of normal discourse. And I don't appreciate that whole atmosphere where people cannot be accused of being evil. Not just mistaken, but evil. The rules are that you must make a definition of subjectivity and objectivity that is the same as used in common discourse. But you don't do that. Neither does Origines, and LCD, and Animated Dust, and a few others I forget now. You break the rules, then you are accused of being a cheater. It's normal discourse. You never give a normal answer to the accusation. But neither does LCD or Origenes. As far as I know I never engage in that kind of intellectual fraudulence. But maybe I do engage in it unwittingly, because it is shown to be very common. You're going to hit the woke with even more objectivity. This is your plan. All these woke who typically have 20+ years of education, getting drilled in objectivity and fact all the time. Even the social sciences are full off sophisticated statistics. These woke who typically spend zero time on serious religion, faith, don't pray much. The communists who have banned faith altogether. Then you say that the problem with the woke is, lack of comprehension and acceptance of objectivity. A totally absurd analysis. The woke follow the standard socialist scheme: 1. conceiving of making a choice in terms of figuring out the best option 2. materialism 3. socialism 4. adopt left wing socialism, communism, or right wing socialism, nazism Step 1 is the essential step. In step 1 all what is subjective, emotions and God, are thrown out. Choice is redefined as like a chesscomputer calculating a move, instead of the subjective spirit spontaneously making one of alternative futures the present. That is why smugness of being the best is noticeably endemic among the woke. It's derived from their idea of making a choice in terms of figuring out the best option. That is why the woke are pre-occupied with superiority and inferiority, derived from the better and lesser options in a choice.mohammadnursyamsu
November 16, 2021
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Kairosfocus,
If so many are so misled on such a central matter, what else has gone wrong? Should we even bother to waste time watching news-views coverage by such proved deceivers, or go to schools that systematically deceive us like that? or vote for our taxes to go to support bureaucrats who enforce deception, including of course on pandemic management etc? How did we end up in captivity to such clear large scale manipulation?
This is due to a religion that's been a long time coming to the U.S. John Dewey prioritized the goal of education as forming the new socialist person over learning boring sums and reading. This new socialist person responds to appeals for the exalted position of victimhood, the cause of fairness and pursuit of cosmic justice, and is overwhelmed with waves of emotion, justifying all failures with good intentions or blaming them on climate change, racism, capitalism, or whatever. This new socialist person is rewarded for their *Spectacular Success* in merely participating and are constantly assured that participation alone warrants massive self esteem. Truth and reasoning are tools to support the current narrative and are replaced by force when they're no longer useful. The new socialist person is easily angered and very fragile. Currently, there's a filtering process reminiscent of Mao's statement that the Chinese don't need doctors, they need Communist doctors. Achievement is demonized as part of a "meritocracy." The "commanding heights" of society are being restaffed by incompetents, so it's vital to tear down monuments and rewrite history to conform with their worldview and to avoid embarrassment when the history repeats. Today must be day 1. Reset as often as needed. And when it all comes crashing down because they ran out of other people's hard-earned money, it was due to "bad luck" and not "true" socialism. But it was an exhilarating ride while it lasted and the new socialist person will then need to find a new country to liberate. Hey, I know. After Canada, how about Germany again? Their per capita GDP is attractive enough to consider redistributing . . . For more ideas, compare PPP with GDP Per Capita here: https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/ Incidentally, I consider "capitalism" merely a distasteful and optional method of finance, while the true driver of the economy is actually innovation through Free Enterprise. Note that Free Enterprise terrifies capitalists and corporatists! -QQuerius
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Fauci: "There is a Misplaced Perception About People’s Individual Right to Make a Decision that Supersedes the Societal Safety." How to answer Fauci? video on twitterOrigenes
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Origenes, first, 2 + 3 = 5 is from the beginning tied to the core framework of the logic of structure and quantity, so is tied to a vast framework of equally certain and trans-world mathematical truths. Truths which are demonstrably objective, publicly warranted and relate to intangible abstracta, things contemplated and communicated between reasoning creatures. This is also the case on understanding the import of being self-aware. Meanwhile, something crucial at survival of civilisation level is being distracted from. I note, again, from the OP, which reveals how a generation has been manipulated in the face of massive evidence and dozens to hundreds of millions of still living eyewitnesses:
within living memory of those of us who were of age to notice, between 1989 and 1991, Marxism’s credibility as a principle of economic organisation collapsed before our eyes. So, if the immediately following generation does not understand such after its seventy years of chaos, tyranny, state led murder of over 100 millions and outright economic failure, we are dealing with a generation that were deliberately misled by ideologues who cared not a whit for that horrific track record. One that is actually worse than that of Communism’s kissing cousin, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party (Nazi, for short). (And yes, they meant the “Socialist.”) So, first and foremost we are dealing with a deeply manipulated generation robbed of objective truth about pivotal worldview, policy, history, ideology and personal matters. That indicts at least two to three full generations of intellectual, policy, media and educational leaders and influencers . . .
If so many are so misled on such a central matter, what else has gone wrong? Should we even bother to waste time watching news-views coverage by such proved deceivers, or go to schools that systematically deceive us like that? or vote for our taxes to go to support bureaucrats who enforce deception, including of course on pandemic management etc? How did we end up in captivity to such clear large scale manipulation? It is time for a counter cultural reformation that goes back to soundness as point of beginning. Which includes recognising first duties to truth, right reason, warrant and wider prudence etc. Further to that we must face implications of being finite, fallible, morally struggling, too often ill-willed. KFkairosfocus
November 15, 2021
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MNY, projection, now inviting analysis on cognitive dissonance but there is no point. There is sufficient long since noted and at this point you have regrettably become distractive, accusatory and uncivil. Please, do better. KFkairosfocus
November 15, 2021
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Certainty, Importance, undeniable, these are emotive terms. 2+3=5, it is totally irrellevant to the logic of it, how certain you are about it. Feelings of certainty, are just emotive.mohammadnursyamsu
November 15, 2021
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Kairosfocus @141
you will note that I have consistently noted that our accessible degree of warrant is in most cases defeatable, but that warrant must be reliable, similar to say scientific knowledge. That is our lot with knowledge, commonly used sense.
I can agree with that.
However start with say 3 + 2 = 5, warranted by || + ||| –> ||||| and we will see that while relatively few, there are indeed many cases where warrant can and does provide utter certainty.
Again I agree. When I follow your line of reasoning and warrant 3 + 2 = 5 with || + ||| –> |||||, then we both have certainty about the fact that “3 + 2 = 5”. And (this is important) we are talking about one single thing, namely “3 + 2 = 5”
Already, the import of having to be to doubt existence shows that I exist as a self aware being is undeniable and readily communicated to similar agents, triggering the same degree of warrant in them.
Here we disagree. “I think therefore I am” can be readily communicated just like “3 + 2 = 5, warranted by || + ||| –> |||||”, however when we both execute “I think therefore I am”, the result is certainty of two distinct things , as opposed to us executing “3 + 2 = 5, warranted by || + ||| –> |||||”, which results in certainty in one single thing. To be clear, when you execute “I think therefore I am”, you have certainty of your existence —— Kairosfocus exists. And my attempt will result in certainty about … Origenes exists. We may both say “I exist”, but unlike when we both say “3 + 2 = 5”, we are not talking about one single thing — not the same thing. When you say “I exist” you are talking about your existence (not mine). When I say “I exist” I am talking about my existence (not yours). You and you alone have certainty of your existence as a conscious self-aware “I”.Origenes
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For crying out loud, what an absolute child you are. You, and all the rest of you, solely argue in emotive terms. You evaluate my words solely on an emotional basis, not on a logical basis. And likewise the backup for your own positions is solely feelings, and not functional logical definitions that work together coherently in an integrated conceptual scheme. You complain that I am angry, and all that total crap that is totally besides the point. You have no clue whatsoever about following rules, doing logic. It should be totally obvious to anyone, that these woke people are clueless about subjectivity. hint number 1: the wokeness is most prevalent at universities, where people are generally fact obsessed hint number 2: they are generally atheists, or atheist friendly. So rejecting that whole subjective faith business. hint number 3: the personal opinions of woke people are absolutely attrocious. Makes perfect sense that people who are clueless about subjectivity, would have horrific personal opinions. hint number 4: subjectivity is an exclusively creationist concept, and creationism has been banned in academics. etc. Totally obvious. But you have your fantasy about how subjectivity and objectivity works. You want to hit the woke people with even more objectivity, so that they become even more materialistic and obsessed with facts, than that they already are.mohammadnursyamsu
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MNY, there you go again, sadly. KFkairosfocus
November 15, 2021
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@KF That is just sophisticated excuses on your part. Do your homework. I did my homework. You do not even try to answer the question, which is why your definitions of subjectivity and objectivity, are fantasy, unrelated to the rules used with subjective statements and objective statements in common discourse. You are wrong, I am right. As you say 2+2=4, and not 5. The answer 5 is wrong, your definitions of subjectivity and objectivity are wrong.mohammadnursyamsu
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MNY, your drumbeat assertion does not create reality though it may shape perception of those not alert to the rhetorical impact. You have been repeatedly given answers, have been corrected as necessary, only to find attempted smears such as calling us liars and worse. Beyond a certain point where adequate analysis has been given, there is no duty to try to further answer especially where there is a manifestly uncivil attitude. Here, for example, your questions are not real questions as answers are not taken seriously, they are only being used to try to derail, domineer and poison discussion. If you doubt, kindly observe the title and OP, which are on a highly important issue of a manipulated generation:
We can start with the obvious, as within living memory of those of us who were of age to notice, between 1989 and 1991, Marxism’s credibility as a principle of economic organisation collapsed before our eyes. So, if the immediately following generation does not understand such after its seventy years of chaos, tyranny, state led murder of over 100 millions and outright economic failure, we are dealing with a generation that were deliberately misled by ideologues who cared not a whit for that horrific track record. One that is actually worse than that of Communism’s kissing cousin, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party (Nazi, for short). (And yes, they meant the “Socialist.”) So, first and foremost we are dealing with a deeply manipulated generation robbed of objective truth about pivotal worldview, policy, history, ideology and personal matters. That indicts at least two to three full generations of intellectual, policy, media and educational leaders and influencers . . .
Objective truth is of course processed through our self-aware agency with due recognition of our error-proneness, and application of principles and tools of right reason to yield a more reliable, warranted result. Which is doubly important in an age of manipulation and the cynical spreading of the grand objective truth claim that we cannot come to know objective truths. But of course, those enmeshed in this do not recognise that its self referential incoherence is self-falsifying and a root of confusion. It is time to return to soundness, understanding a point long since put on the table by Aristotle in The Rhetoric Bk 1 Ch 2, that of the main rhetorical appeals pathos, ethos, logos, only facts and logic with sound underlying assumptions, can properly ground or warrant conclusions. Yes, our judgements when we are pleased and friendly are quite different from those made when we are pained and hostile. That is an example of the potential for distorted perception and evaluation. Similarly, the smoothness, seeming authority etc of experts and presenters have no ability to enhance conclusions beyond the merits of fact and reasoning. So, to the facts, first principles and first duties of right reason, we must go. KFkairosfocus
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@Origenes You are supposed to investigate what the underlying rules are in objective statements, like to say that there is a camel out back, and subjective statements, like to say, I find this painting beautiful. What you do, what Kairosfocus does, what LCD does, is to fantasize how subjectivity and objectivity works, without investigating the logic used in common discourse. You just fantasize complete nonsense, why is that? Subjectivity and objectivity are much like any other issue. Like photosynthesis. You don't go fantasizing about how photosynthesis works, you investigate, and accurately reflect how it works. Same subjectivity and objectivity. Subjectivity and objectivity are phenomenon apparent in language people use, so then you investigate the common discourse to find the rules about how they work. But you all just keep on blatantly fantasizing about how it works. Which is so revolting and outrageous. And you enquiring about "interpretation", that is just about you meandering in your fantasizing. Not focusing on the rules used in common discourse, but making up your own rules. So now again, what rules are used with subjective statements, and objective statements, in common discourse? Answer the question.mohammadnursyamsu
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