Uncommon Descent Serving The Intelligent Design Community

Barna profiles a generation on the cliff’s crumbling edge — 78 million US Millennials

Share
Facebook
Twitter
LinkedIn
Flipboard
Print
Email

Barna’s current report, “New Insights into the Generation of Growing Influence: Millennials In America,” is a portrait of a generation adrift, dancing on the edge of a cliff, and reflective of generations of civilisational betrayal by intellectual, policy/political, media and educational leadership leading to a destabilised culture. And so, this cannot wait, triple bereavement life crisis or no, this needs to be highlighted and preliminarily assessed here at UD:

The report’s snapshot summary tells the grim story in outline:

And:

Also, we may add on Religious identification, affinity and affiliation:

We can start with the obvious, as within living memory of those of us who were of age to notice, between 1989 and 1991, Marxism’s credibility as a principle of economic organisation collapsed before our eyes. So, if the immediately following generation does not understand such after its seventy years of chaos, tyranny, state led murder of over 100 millions and outright economic failure, we are dealing with a generation that were deliberately misled by ideologues who cared not a whit for that horrific track record. One that is actually worse than that of Communism’s kissing cousin, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party (Nazi, for short). (And yes, they meant the “Socialist.”)

So, first and foremost we are dealing with a deeply manipulated generation robbed of objective truth about pivotal worldview, policy, history, ideology and personal matters. That indicts at least two to three full generations of intellectual, policy, media and educational leaders and influencers, with implications across the full span of the pillars of community influence:

Likewise, the Overton Window speaks:

Where, the modified political spectrum is therefore also instructive on the peril:

So, it is unsurprising to see the overall outline being sketched. Selecting key points:

  • almost half of those born 1984 – 2002 prefer socialism to capitalism
  • a majority (likely with a large opposed minority and that’s the obvious trend-direction) “held a positive opinion of Jesus Christ, the United States of America and the Bible”
  • Confirming that inference, 40% “don’t know if God exists, don’t care if God exists, or don’t believe that He exists.” (God, the necessary and maximally great being at reality’s root is the single most important point of knowledge of reality; where, a serious candidate necessary being either exists as framework to any possible world or is impossible of being, the latter never having been shown. So the hyperskeptical indifference is telling on intellectual breakdown.)
  • Unsurprisingly, in this light, only 1/3 claim to “believe in God as the all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect and just creator of the universe who still rules the universe today”
  • parallelling this, “Roughly two-thirds . . . align themselves with the Christian faith”
  • likewise, “[j]ust over one-quarter of them said they do not associate with any religious faith”
  • “39% of 18-24 year olds identify as LGBTQ” (Historically, in the West, 1 – 3% have been practicing homosexuals but this proportion globally ranges from vanishingly small to 100% forced participation through institutionalisation, in different cultures.)
  • “[t]hree out of four . . . believe all religious faiths are of equal value”
  • on “social issues,” 40 percent [a now familiar figure] identify as liberal or progressivist, with 29% as conservative.
  • they identify as Democrats vs Republicans 2:1, revealing the predominant ideological influencers of their formative years
  • “[m]ost Millennials reject the existence of absolute moral truth and identify feelings, experiences, and advice from family and friends as their most trusted sources of moral guidance” (That is, they drift with the cultural flow and thus those who dominate education and media.)
  • likewise, three out of four “said that they are still searching for their purpose in life,” reflecting the influence of worldviews and cultural agendas that are antithetical to purpose, other than arbitrarily selected desires
  • “[o]f the nine cultural influencer categories tested, none of them were trusted by a majority to “always or almost always tell the truth or do what is right.” (This cynicism reflects disintegration of social and cultural capital built up over generations.)
  • “[t]he least trusted entities were entertainment celebrities, popular social media personalities, and elected government officials” (So, the influences come through peers and opinion leaders in families and groups.)
  • “The most highly trusted influencers were their parents and friends”
  • 2 out of 3 “admitted to avoiding interaction with someone if it was likely to produce conflict,” which tends to block change based on mutually critical reflection and to reinforce cultural echo chambers
  • issues they prioritise indicate “never let a crisis go to waste” media domination of their thinking: “CORONAVIRUS MANAGEMENT, CLIMATE CHANGE, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, ABORTION, THE ECONOMY”

The need for a sound counter-culture is patent. END

Comments
MNY, objectivity rests on recognising that we are error prone in our perceptions, ideas, attempted inferences etc and secondly that successful warrant -- drawing on first principles of right reason, evidence etc -- gives grounds for recognising reliability and soundness of claims. That is the opposite of arbitrariness or emotional decision-making. KF PS: Further, we are self-aware conscious agents, subjects. All our thought, perception, ideation, argument, inference etc passes through our cognitive processing. Being subjects is at core of being human; computers by opposite case, are non rational as they lack freedom to choose, dynamic-stochastic processes and steps etc are not acts of free reason governed by duties of responsible thought, they are GIGO limited and of course good design is the duty of hardware engineers and programmers who are rational, responsible and significantly free. However as such processes are error prone it behooves us to take steps founded in right reason, logic, epistemology to do due diligence towards reliability and truth, reducing likelihood of error.kairosfocus
November 14, 2021
November
11
Nov
14
14
2021
05:09 AM
5
05
09
AM
PDT
@KF Your concept of objectivity is arbitrary, based on emotion. You argue for objectivity like, it is "absurd" to deny it. And there are "penalties" for denying it. You argue about objectivity, in emotive terms, those are emotive terms. You conceive of all statements as rooted in subjectivity, because the subject has the initial perceptions. And then you use "warrant" to build up the subjective perceptions to the level of objectivity. But what is the point that there is enough warrant that something becomes objective? That point is completely arbitrary, based on emotion. The root you use is subjective. You make it some kind of ritual of being saved, starting from the errorprone subjectivity, and ending up with the error free objectivity, through warranting of statements. It's a total mess. You are wrong, I am right. You have no chance to be right in the first place, because you do not even try to accurately describe the logic of subjectivity and objectivity as it is used in common discourse. You are just fantasizing. Meanwhile free society is systematically being destroyed, because of academics undermining subjectivity. And you are only making things worse. I am right. I am the only one who is right. All the rest of you are just fantasizing how subjectivity and objectivity works, which is a total outrage. Straight from the fantasy of Kairosfocus, promulgated as the truth about how things work. Shameless. But everyone else here does the same thing, each their own delusional fantasy about subjectivity and objectivity. Except me. I am the only one who did his homework, trying to accurately describe the underlying logic used with subjective statements and objective statements in common discourse.mohammadnursyamsu
November 14, 2021
November
11
Nov
14
14
2021
04:28 AM
4
04
28
AM
PDT
F/N: I should comment further on the truth by the clock fallacy. For example Pythagoras' theorem in general form is probably 2500 years old, and of course Pythagoras was a philosophical mystic. Do we dismiss it as automatically outdated by age? No. As, it is an established property of planar figures, right angle triangle, is objective and once established, is generally recognised. First principles of right reason are like that too, let's clip a 2,000 year old use from an often resented classical source, of what was probably a rhetoric 101 example, here an epistle of the Apostle Paul . . . and yes that says something about willingness to accept and use genuinely established findings in foundational Christian teachings:
1 Cor 14:7 If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will anyone know what is played? 8 And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? 9 So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, 11 but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. [ESV]
This is of course the law of distinct identity, here shown as inescapable and inescapably true so self-evident by way of being critical to linguistic communication so too propositional thought. Its close immediate corollaries are instantly also present, non-contradiction and excluded middle. Symbolically, W = {A|~A}, so A= A, in light of its core characteristics. Likewise no x in W can be A AND ~A in the same sense and circumstances. No y in W can be neither A nor ~A nor both of course. Once we have that the distinguishing partition obtains. So, we see established longstanding truths as matters of fact. Going further, the implicit claim, that we cannot know the world sufficiently to warrant objective truths about it or its features, is a self-referential objective truth-claim. It therefore refutes itself. We may err but knowable objective truths exist. And relevance can be seen from how one day we will be remote past so if we already claim right to discount our remote past we discount our present too. The fallacy of trying to tell truth by the clock and dismiss past thinkers without consideration collapses, exposed. KFkairosfocus
November 14, 2021
November
11
Nov
14
14
2021
02:19 AM
2
02
19
AM
PDT
Jerry:
'Asabiyyah or 'asabiyya (Arabic: ???????, 'group feeling' or 'social cohesion') is a concept of social solidarity with an emphasis on unity, group consciousness, and a sense of shared purpose and social cohesion, originally used in the context of tribalism and clanism.[1] Asabiyya is neither necessarily nomadic nor based on blood relations; rather, it resembles a philosophy of classical republicanism. In the modern period, it is generally analogous to solidarity. However, it is often negatively associated because it can sometimes suggest nationalism or partisanship, i.e., loyalty to one's group regardless of circumstances.[2] The concept was familiar in the pre-Islamic era, but became popularized in Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah, in which it is described as the fundamental bond of human society and the basic motive force of history, pure only in its nomadic form.[3] Ibn Khaldun argued that asabiyya is cyclical and directly related to the rise and fall of civilizations: it is strongest at the start of a civilization, declines as the civilization advances, and then another more compelling asabiyyah eventually takes its place to help establish a different civilization.[4]
The issue of social capital vs fatal disaffection is pivotal. Those who seek to divide and polarise can reasonably be suspected of playing at divide and subjugate games. They fail to see that divisiveness becomes a habit, the crabs in a barrel mentality. I pointed out that we seldom hear of ants in a barrel, except our struggle to keep them out . . . they know how to work together. KFkairosfocus
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
06:31 PM
6
06
31
PM
PDT
PS: Ship of State, no prizes for guessing why it is still highly relevant:
It is not too hard to figure out that our civilisation is in deep trouble and is most likely headed for shipwreck. (And of course, that sort of concern is dismissed as “apocalyptic,” or neurotic pessimism that refuses to pause and smell the roses.) Plato’s Socrates spoke to this sort of situation, long since, in the ship of state parable in The Republic, Bk VI:
>>[Soc.] I perceive, I said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged me into such a hopeless discussion; but now hear the parable, and then you will be still more amused at the meagreness of my imagination: for the manner in which the best men are treated in their own States is so grievous that no single thing on earth is comparable to it; and therefore, if I am to plead their cause, I must have recourse to fiction, and put together a figure made up of many things, like the fabulous unions of goats and stags which are found in pictures. Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain [–> often interpreted, ship’s owner] who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. [= The people own the community and in the mass are overwhelmingly strong, but are ill equipped on the whole to guide, guard and lead it] The sailors are quarrelling with one another about the steering – every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer [= selfish ambition to rule and dominate], though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them [–> kubernetes, steersman, from which both cybernetics and government come in English]; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard [ = ruthless contest for domination of the community], and having first chained up the noble captain’s senses with drink or some narcotic drug [ = manipulation and befuddlement, cf. the parable of the cave], they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them [–> Cf here Luke’s subtle case study in Ac 27]. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain’s hands into their own whether by force or persuasion [–> Nihilistic will to power on the premise of might and manipulation making ‘right’ ‘truth’ ‘justice’ ‘rights’ etc], they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer’s art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing? [Ad.] Of course, said Adeimantus. [Soc.] Then you will hardly need, I said, to hear the interpretation of the figure, which describes the true philosopher in his relation to the State [ --> here we see Plato's philosoppher-king emerging]; for you understand already. [Ad.] Certainly. [Soc.] Then suppose you now take this parable to the gentleman who is surprised at finding that philosophers have no honour in their cities; explain it to him and try to convince him that their having honour would be far more extraordinary. [Ad.] I will. [Soc.] Say to him, that, in deeming the best votaries of philosophy to be useless to the rest of the world, he is right; but also tell him to attribute their uselessness to the fault of those who will not use them, and not to themselves. The pilot should not humbly beg the sailors to be commanded by him –that is not the order of nature; neither are ‘the wise to go to the doors of the rich’ –the ingenious author of this saying told a lie –but the truth is, that, when a man is ill, whether he be rich or poor, to the physician he must go, and he who wants to be governed, to him who is able to govern. [--> the issue of competence and character as qualifications to rule] The ruler who is good for anything ought not to beg his subjects to be ruled by him [ --> down this road lies the modern solution: a sound, well informed people will seek sound leaders, who will not need to manipulate or bribe or worse, and such a ruler will in turn be checked by the soundness of the people, cf. US DoI, 1776]; although the present governors of mankind are of a different stamp; they may be justly compared to the mutinous sailors, and the true helmsmen to those who are called by them good-for-nothings and star-gazers. [Ad.] Precisely so, he said. [Soc] For these reasons, and among men like these, philosophy, the noblest pursuit of all, is not likely to be much esteemed by those of the opposite faction [--> the sophists, the Demagogues, Alcibiades and co, etc]; not that the greatest and most lasting injury is done to her by her opponents, but by her own professing followers, the same of whom you suppose the accuser to say, that the greater number of them are arrant rogues, and the best are useless; in which opinion I agreed [--> even among the students of the sound state (here, political philosophy and likely history etc.), many are of unsound motivation and intent, so mere education is not enough, character transformation is critical]. [Ad.] Yes. [Soc.] And the reason why the good are useless has now been explained? [Ad.] True. [Soc.] Then shall we proceed to show that the corruption of the majority is also unavoidable [--> implies a need for a corruption-restraining minority providing proverbial salt and light, cf. Ac 27, as well as justifying a governing structure turning on separation of powers, checks and balances], and that this is not to be laid to the charge of philosophy any more than the other? [Ad.] By all means. [Soc.] And let us ask and answer in turn, first going back to the description of the gentle and noble nature.[ -- > note the character issue] Truth, as you will remember, was his leader, whom he followed always and in all things [ --> The spirit of truth as a marker]; failing in this, he was an impostor, and had no part or lot in true philosophy [--> the spirit of truth is a marker, for good or ill] . . . >>
(There is more than an echo of this in Acts 27, a real world case study. [Luke, a physician, was an educated Greek with a taste for subtle references.] This blog post, on soundness in policy, will also help)
kairosfocus
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
06:20 PM
6
06
20
PM
PDT
JS, trying to tell truth by the clock is a huge fallacy. And in the relevant case the matter is history, not philosophy in the main: Athenian Democracy and the Peloponnesian war, which Plato recast in the terms of the parable of the ship of state. One way to put it in case some have swallowed the history is victory propaganda fallacy: Russian proverb, dwell on the past and you lose an eye; forget the past and you lose both your eyes. Another: the lessons of sound history were bought with blood and tears; those who neglect, deride or dismiss such doom themselves to pay in the same coin over and over again. Then, guess who said history repeats twice, once as tragedy, the next time as farce? A: One certain Karl Marx. KFkairosfocus
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
06:17 PM
6
06
17
PM
PDT
In the 21st century, the vast majority of academics has thrown out subjectivity in it’s entirety.
Not quite. In opposition to objective scientific evidence and truth, the vast majority of academics have chosen to pollute their spiritual life with the delusional subjective opinion that materialism explains the universe & life.Origenes
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
04:26 PM
4
04
26
PM
PDT
In the 21st century, the vast majority of academics has thrown out subjectivity in it's entirety. That is the truth, because subjectivity is an exclusively creationist concept, and creationism has been thrown out. 1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion 2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact For as far as basic acceptance and comprehension of subjectivity goes, emotions, God, personal opinion, modern man is the worst in all the history I know of. That is simply a fair judgement.mohammadnursyamsu
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
03:50 PM
3
03
50
PM
PDT
This is the 21st century. Ponderings of of philosophers that have been dead for 25 centuries is of little interest, and of even less relevance to modern society.
One of the more ignorant statement here in some time. But there is lots of competition. They certainly didn't get everything right, but one should never avoid listening to what they have to say. The human being has not changed since then. So they have may something important to say about today's world. I will suggest one that is only 700 years old to listen to, Ibn Khaldun and his concept of Asabiyyah. If not past philosophers, then who? Name people in today's world who are worth listening to. And why?jerry
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
03:45 PM
3
03
45
PM
PDT
This is the 21st century. Ponderings of of philosophers that have been dead for 25 centuries is of little interest, and of even less relevance to modern society.Joe Schooner
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
02:29 PM
2
02
29
PM
PDT
JS, the history speaks for itself and there are dozens to hundreds of millions of living eyewitnesses to speak further. As for civilisation endures and one generation complains against the other, that is false. The Peloponnesian War is a history of folly leading to catastrophic collapse. In fact the backdrop to Plato's ship of state parable. 476 AD is the conventional date on the collapse of the W Roman empire leading to chaos for centuries and over a thousand years to come back. After centuries, the system of monarchies collapsed through WW1, and of two major successor systems, Nazism collapsed after about a dozen years in power and Marxism after seventy. When a dominant generation of some 80 millions just in the US has been misled to deride constitutional democracy, the BATNA of lawfulness is under threat to trigger collapse into lawless oligarchy which is the natural state of government. Indeed, the US is already in a low kinetic, 4th gen civil war, with agit prop, lawfare, red guards as cannon fodder for colour revolutions and a Reichstag fire analogue already on the ground. I think it will fail, but the distraction is what opens geostrategic opportunity for China's blue ocean breakout push that leads to nuclearisation on the arc surrounding China's coast from Japan to Australia and possibly Singapore. Very, very bad news. KFkairosfocus
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
01:46 PM
1
01
46
PM
PDT
First, if people of ages 18 – 40 are unaware of the 100 million victims, tyranny, economic mismanagement and ruin done by socialist regimes,…
Who says they are unaware of the history? The fact that they view socialism in a different way than is defined in the dictionary is not their fault. After all, any time there are pushes for things like universal health care and other social policies, they are pasted with the socialist label.
Those are basics of history, as is the impact of lawful state based [and regulated] free market enterprise in finally breaking the back of poverty.
It was through the combination of capitalism and regulations placed upon it that provided the opportunity for many to lift themselves out of poverty.
The red guard rioting, mayhem, arson, destruction of small businesses and media gaslighting over the past 20+ months underscores the point.
No, it underscores the frustration of people who for decades have only been paid lip-service over their legitimate grievances. There is a long history of rioting where businesses, property owners and government officials have been the innocent victims. The Baltimore riots in the early 1800s; the hard scrabble and snow town race riots in the early 1800s; the Cincinnati riots of 1829; the anti abolition riots of 1834; the Lombard street riots of 1842; and many, many more. Hardly the result of millennials.
So, no I do not buy the yardstick of the previous generations.
It is not a yardstick. It is simply reflecting on history to make sense of today, and to make predictions for tomorrow. Another thing to be learned from history is that the previous generation almost always complains about the upcoming generation. Yet civilization endures.Joe Schooner
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
12:36 PM
12
12
36
PM
PDT
JS, actually, yes but not as you imagine. That's because of the specifically anti-democratic, anti-American attitudes associated. That lends colour to the picture. First, if people of ages 18 - 40 are unaware of the 100 million victims, tyranny, economic mismanagement and ruin done by socialist regimes, that is a red flag as that is history that should be known. Events in Cuba, Venezuela, Hong Kong, China, North Korea and more are all very recent also and should have led to a major public education moment. Now, Democracy was in bad odour after the failure of Athens through the Peloponnessian war [and that too is another point of ignorance], but in aftermath of the printing revolution, the ferment surrounding the Reformation [e.g. Vindicia Contra Tyrannos etc], the 1688 Glorious Revolution, the American Revolution showed that there was a viable sustainable Constitutional democratic alternative to the challenge of hoping for lawful oligarchy while fending off -- if you were lucky -- the repeated threat of lawless oligarchy. (See chart in OP.) Those are basics of history, as is the impact of lawful state based free market enterprise in finally breaking the back of poverty. That the 18 - 40 cohort in such proportions have been led to be hostile to that speaks volumes in general, and in specific it speaks to the sense of "Socialism" that is on the table. Namely, lawless ideological oligarchy through the totalitarian state, however disguised. The red guard rioting, mayhem, arson, destruction of small businesses and media gaslighting over the past 20+ months underscores the point. So, we need to see that over the past 100 years previous generations were responsible for two world wars that cost what 80 - 100 million lives, the second one featuring National Socialism (and yes they meant the socialist). The Marxists in addition accounted for 100 million victims and the worst single tyrannical ideology in human history. Globally, our culture is additionally responsible for the worst holocaust, 800+ million of our living posterity in the womb. So, no I do not buy the yardstick of the previous generations. It is time for sober reformation. KFkairosfocus
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
10:23 AM
10
10
23
AM
PDT
As noted, a previous study found that most Americans – and Millennials, in particular – who generally express a preference for socialism do not actually know what socialism entails in practice.
Which only proves the point that the millennials who responded to the survey do not follow the dictionary definition of socialism. When asked what socialism is, most millennials would probably point to the Scandinavian countries as an example. Government paid education, health care, welfare, maternity leave and so on. Survey results have to be taken with a grain of salt. Our civilization is changing, as it has with every generation. The role of parents and society is to ensure that the next generation is provided with the information necessary to make informed decisions. There is no indication that the millennials will do any worse than previous generations, and plenty of evidence that they may do better.Joe Schooner
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
09:08 AM
9
09
08
AM
PDT
PPS: I dig up some excerpts from inside: >>The progressive leanings of the generation are no more obvious than in regard to their feelings about socialism. Over the past five years, more than one-third of Millennials has consistently favored socialism over capitalism. However, the current research generated the highest proportion of support yet for socialism: 48 percent. >> >>The fact that only a slight majority consider themselves to be patriots makes more sense in the context of the reactions of Millennials to a handful of political words and phrases. When asked to provide their reaction to “United States of America,” barely half (53 percent) had a positive reaction. Further, only half (50 percent) had a favorable reaction to the term “democracy.” In both cases, the positive reactions outweighed the negative by about a 2:1 margin. But the research also revealed that a very small proportion of Millennials had a “very positive” reaction to either the “United States of America” (just 23 percent) or “democracy” (18 percent). Positive opinions of both liberals and conservatives were even more suppressed. Overall, only about one-third had favorable impressions of either conservatives (33 percent) or progressives/liberals (36 percent). Very small percentages held a “very positive” view of conservatives (13 percent) or progressives/ liberals (10 percent). The other term explored was “socialism,” which generated a positive impression among one- third of young adults (33 percent) and nearly as widespread of a negative impression (28 percent). It is noteworthy that Millennials are more willing to express their preference of socialism to capitalism in spite of the fact that fewer of them have a positive point- of-view on socialism. As noted, a previous study found that most Americans – and Millennials, in particular – who generally express a preference for socialism do not actually know what socialism entails in practice. iv>> That pattern is telling.kairosfocus
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
08:43 AM
8
08
43
AM
PDT
JS, not likely, it is clear that Marxism has been repackaged and promoted using Frankfurt School and Gramsci-derived techniques, that Capitalism has been framed as a grave evil and that what is reasonably advocated, free market enterprise in a lawful state has been sidelined and painted in lurid colours that often refuse to recognise its achievements and the verdict of 1989 - 91. Besides, Scandinavian states are cases of high tax welfare states not of socialist ones. Further to all this, no responsible educator -- formal or informal -- could ignore the empirical verdict of history 30 years ago. It is the blatant want of balance that is telling us that something is really rotten and indicts generations of intellectual leaders as betrayers of their duty, starting with, to history. KF PS: Sorry, I also don't buy the attempted redefining of tolerance. For cause. "Tolerating" those who tow, enable or are silent in the face of an agenda is not a virtue, especially when principled objection is routinely pounced on in the most extreme or even outright defamatory terms and subjected to censorship and worse. We see the red guard tactics in action, we see the defamation, we see the censorship, we see the career busting and more.kairosfocus
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
08:38 AM
8
08
38
AM
PDT
Late to the game. But better late than never.
Close to one-half of young adults say they prefer socialism to capitalism.
But did the survey define what they meant by socialism? It is likely that the millennials’ ideas of socialism are closer to the Scandinavian system than to KF’s extremes. I fear that KF is unknowingly erecting a strawman. Millennials are more tolerant of differences and less tolerant of the acceptance and promotion of intolerance against previously marginalized groups than previous generations. That is definitely an improvement.Joe Schooner
November 13, 2021
November
11
Nov
13
13
2021
06:55 AM
6
06
55
AM
PDT
PS: All of this points to the key sign highlighted in Barna's survey, that within living memory, a generation has been brought up to be ignorant of a lesson regarding socialist political messianism bought with 100 million lives across seventy years of ruinous dictatorship in the name of liberating oppressed classes.kairosfocus
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
09:55 PM
9
09
55
PM
PDT
Jerry, the fascist principle of man-of-the-crisis-moment, above normal law political messianism, dictatorship and linked capture of power centres into a total system [hence, cartelisation of corporations, turning Capitalists into pensioners of the State [speak to the ghost of Professor Hugo Junkers -- yes, THAT Junkers -- here] bringing of churches under umbrellas etc] needs not be tied to nationalism in a racist sense. This is, just as we are seeing how the Frankfurt School and Gramsci [a co-founder of the specifically Communist Party in Italy, I gather] showed that marxism needs not be tied to economic mode of production based classes but can be tied to socio-cultural identity groups and used to exploit fissures in the society, the fascist imperative can be tied to any critical mass coalition of those open to that idolatry. For, the cult of the Nietzschean super-man above ordinary law who emerges as rescuer in the face of allegedly unprecedented crisis will attract those who are open to lawlessness and are in a state of panic and loss of confidence in existing arrangements. And in effect, it is creation of a cult with a demi-god. Or a Pantheon, observe, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, likewise Hitler, Mussolini, even some of the lionisation of Roosevelt (and concealment of his crippled condition), etc. George Orwell adds, the two minute hate of the designated scapegoat of the hour. 1984 should be prescribed reading and/or viewing. This is of course one of the key missing ingredients in the Fascist Manifesto as identified, a cult of political messianism tied to a crisis mentality and breakdown of support for lawfulness so due balance of rights, freedoms and duties. Likewise, such would attack the natural law, universal jurisdiction themes in the linked first duties [contrast, the US DoI, 1776, which is a sound natural law argument in its key 2nd paragraph] . . . which directly imply, there are no exceptions that allow us to surrender conscience-guided and guarded moral and prudential government of our responsible rational freedom, pivoting on truthfulness and right reason. That leads to a context in which we should be suspicious of those who create a crisis narrative in disregard of truth and who set up lawless political cults and linked violent factions, as well as would be super-men. Similarly, the shame the past culture revolution mentality undermines the value of learning sound lessons of history paid for with blood and tears, undermining prudence and cooperative reform rather than violent, lawless revolution. Where, dangerous and opaque, unbalanced concentrations of power such as cartelisation of key economic sectors or institutions are obvious further sources of danger. Hence, BTW, the Big Tech, one party media culture and Big Pharma concerns. And more. KFkairosfocus
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
09:50 PM
9
09
50
PM
PDT
This is why I disagree that the threat to America is Communism, what we are witnessing before our very eyes is the transition into a fascist country
I disagree. I believe the Marxists hope for collapse and then some form of mass government control to reach their utopia. They are not interested in any sort of nationalism. That’s why they promote mass immigration and racism. They want endless internal conflict. However, basic human nature will prevent any coherence for their ideas. So that won’t succeed because it never works. There is the Big Tech WEF crew who hopes to establish a world government by fiat to solve all the problems. This is just the opposite of fascism. They believe they are in control. That’s why Wall Street temporarily supports the Left. Then there is China who wants to rule the world and Islam waiting in the wings to clean up. They don’t care how many die. None of it will lead to anything sensible so let’s hope none of it happens. But fascism is out since few want a nationalist system. Nobody wants a white supremacist country anywhere. That’s the joke. The US is the least racist country in the history of the world but all you hear is racism.jerry
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
02:55 PM
2
02
55
PM
PDT
Jerry “When the private corporation ends up essentially under government control, a different form of socialism happens. This is what happened in Mussolini’s Italy snd Hitler’s Germany.” This is why I disagree that the threat to America is Communism, what we are witnessing before our very eyes is the transition into a fascist country. We are well down that path and unfortunately it is to late to stop it. Vividvividbleau
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
02:30 PM
2
02
30
PM
PDT
The conservatives in the USA are making a good pushback against socialism. However, they are still clueless that the root problem is lack of acceptance of subjectivity. Conservatives have more or less accurately identified universities, and materialism, as the root of the problem. The root from which socialism comes. So then conservatives will try to get academics to accept the spiritual is real. But then these conservatives assert the spiritual is objective. Which is a total lie. So the "conservatives" will try to make God scientific, which would then supposedly kill of socialism. However, doing that will only make faith dysfunction, taking the emotion out of belief in God, so that conservatives become corrupt. The idea of freedom of opinion, doest not really comport with being FORCED by evidence to the conclusion that God is real. The conservatives would become to reject subjectivity, the concept of personal opinion, just the same as materialists reject subjectivity.mohammadnursyamsu
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
01:00 PM
1
01
00
PM
PDT
Jerry @80, Thanks for the references to Nicola Bombacci--fascinating! Also found out that Nicola Bombacci was a friend of Lenin and recommended Mussolini to him. and that he participated in the Bolshevik revolution. He and Antonio Gramsci founded the Communist Party of Italy in the 1920’s. The primary split between Fascism and Communism was over nationalism versus internationalism, and it still is. However, any system is vulnerable to human corruption. To Kairosfocus mentioning Lord Acton's famous quote about power corrupts, I'd add that Lord Acton also once said,
Freedom consists of the distribution of power, and despotism its concentration.
It's funny how people always want to accumulate power in the name of something--social justice, economic redistribution, universal education, the plight of the poor, saving the planet. Sadly, it always turns out to be hypocrisy and self-delusion resulting in yet another human hellhole. The answer then is not in creating massive bureaucracies, spending insane amounts of money, passing draconian laws, consolidating businesses and governmental entities, or creating ultra-high density urban populations, but rather the exact opposite. -QQuerius
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
12:55 PM
12
12
55
PM
PDT
Sev, strictly, Lord Acton -- a great Christian historian, BTW -- said, "power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely, great men are bad men." He was discussing popes of the Renaissance era. The problem is that the natural state of government is lawless oligarchy and we need to build . . . and now, rebuild . . . a culture of lawfulness and liberty with justice. Which, those who so busily undermine first duties hasten to undermine. Then, there are issues such as the principal-agent challenge and regulatory capture. KFkairosfocus
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
09:59 AM
9
09
59
AM
PDT
Is there any doubt that the old saw about power corrupting is perfectly true?
Sounds like something Kf has been discussing the last couple years and is part of this OP.jerry
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
08:47 AM
8
08
47
AM
PDT
Is there any doubt that the old saw about power corrupting is perfectly true? Whether it's financial, economic, political, military or even religious, when great power is concentrated in the hands of the individual or the few there will be an almost irresistible tendency to exercise it for personal advantage at the expense of the less advantaged. And, as we have seen and continue to see, once the concentration of power becomes great enough, there is all too little that can be done to stop them short of war. The only obvious curbs on the abuse of power are either to find leaders who hold themselves to the highest principles of selfless service or constitutional limits on the extent of the access to power and/or how long access to it is allowed. The problem with establishing either or both of those ultimately depends on the will of populations that are all too often fickle and fragmented. For some reason, the metaphor of herding cats comes to mind.Seversky
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
07:32 AM
7
07
32
AM
PDT
A course published by The Great Courses.
Moral Decision Making: How to Approach Everyday Ethics
https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/moral-decision-making-how-to-approach-everyday-ethics On sale today- 24 lectures for $19.95 - audio. A question is without a common morality/ethical standards, can a civilization persist? Then can a common morality/ethic govern without a belief in God that requires these standards? These are the two main questions for today's society. Barna thinks no on both and so do I.jerry
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
06:50 AM
6
06
50
AM
PDT
F/N2: This from CoG Bk2 Ch 1 is a classic bit of food for thought relevant to UD:
[CoG, Bk 2, Ch] 1. Of the limits which must be put to the necessity of replying to an adversary If the feeble mind of man did not presume to resist the clear evidence of truth, but yielded its infirmity to wholesome doctrines, as to a health-giving medicine, until it obtained from God, by its faith and piety, the grace needed to heal it, they who have just ideas, and express them in suitable language, would need to use no long discourse to refute the errors of empty conjecture. But this mental infirmity is now more prevalent and hurtful than ever, to such an extent that even after the truth has been as fully demonstrated as man can prove it to man, they hold for the very truth their own unreasonable fancies, either on account of their great blindness, which prevents them from seeing what is plainly set before them, or on account of their opinionative obstinacy, which prevents them from acknowledging the force of what they do see. There therefore frequently arises a necessity of speaking more fully on those points which are already clear, that we may, as it were, present them not to the eye, but even to the touch, so that they may be felt even by those who close their eyes against them. And yet to what end shall we ever bring our discussions, or what bounds can be set to our discourse, if we proceed on the principle that we must always reply to those who reply to us? For those who are either unable to understand our arguments, or are so hardened by the habit of contradiction, that though they understand they cannot yield to them, reply to us, and, as it is written, “speak hard things,”[1] and are incorrigibly vain. Now, if we were to propose to confute their objections as often as they with brazen face chose to disregard our arguments, and so often as they could by any means contradict our statements, you see how endless, and fruitless, and painful a task we should be undertaking. And therefore I do not wish my writings to be judged even by you, my son Marcellinus, nor by any of those others at whose service this work of mine is freely and in all Christian charity put, if at least you intend always to require a reply to every exception which you hear taken to what you read in it; for so you would become like those silly women of whom the apostle says that they are “always learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”[2]
KFkairosfocus
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
06:19 AM
6
06
19
AM
PDT
F/N: I think this may be the full book https://www.monergism.com/city-god-ebookkairosfocus
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
06:12 AM
6
06
12
AM
PDT
Jerry, it is actually an old story of the benumbed and warped, darkened conscience that can be summed up in one word, Nero: https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/Suetonius6.php Rom 1 and Eph 4 vv 17 ff speak to this, in contemporary documents 57 and 61/2 AD. I cite the latter:
Eph 4: 17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. 18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. 19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. 20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22 to put off your old self,6 which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. 25 Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another. 26 Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and give no opportunity to the devil. 28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. 29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. [ESV]
Thus, we see the need for counter-culture driven reform in defence of civilisation; thus proper human thriving. Note here, Augustine's City of God against the Pagans, as a classic example still worth the perusal. KF PS: Went a-looking, hard to find the ebook (I have a Penguin paperback), here is web archive https://archive.org/details/city_of_god_ds_librivox oops audio I think this is text https://archive.org/details/citygod00dodsgoog even that is just one piece, try again laterkairosfocus
November 12, 2021
November
11
Nov
12
12
2021
05:53 AM
5
05
53
AM
PDT
1 2 3 4 5 6

Leave a Reply