Baylor Lariat asks for vote on intelligent design

_{Denyse O'Leary

November 16, 2007

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If you go to the campus rag today, at the top you’ll find the following poll on which you can vote:

What do you think?

How should Baylor approach intelligent design research?
Encourage it
Discourage it
Prohibit it
Support it

Update 8:38 am est Saturday November 17:

How should Baylor approach intelligent design research?

How should Baylor approach intelligent design research? print

Encourage it 1001

Discourage it 236

Support it 70

Prohibit it 41

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Original story follows:

At 11:16 am EST, these were the results:

Encourage it 42
Discourage it 22
Prohibit it 6
Support it 4

Total votes: 74

The article accompanies a rambling story – more about Dembski, Marks, and the Baylor admin than they probably know themselves.

Results at 6:20 pm EST:

How should Baylor approach intelligent design research?

How should Baylor approach intelligent design research?		print
Discourage it		118
Encourage it		116
Support it		58
Prohibit it		33
Total Votes Cast: 325

646 p.m. EST: Anika Smith of Discovery Institute calls academic freedom at Baylor a sham and urges alumni to reconsider donations: “Every dollar you donate to Baylor helps to enable the continued persecution of Prof. Marks.”

Well yes but – here I am momentarily taken aback – Anika, I thought that was the kind of thing donors wanted. I mean, they can give money to a respectable Baptist university (which just tickles Aunt Marge, right?). And they NEVER need to worry that Baylor is going to kick them in the face by creating a genuine problem for the 78% of eminent evolutionists who are pure naturalists (no God) by showing – using the methods of science – that their big idea cannot work. And if that ever happens, why, Baylor faculty might be distinguishable from Dan Dennett and Sam Harris.

Either that wouldn’t be cool or cool would change.

Here’s the latest at 6:49 EST:

How should Baylor approach intelligent design research?

How should Baylor approach intelligent design research?		print
Encourage it		183
Discourage it		122
Support it		58
Prohibit it		35
		1
		1
		0
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Total Votes Cast: 398

Better keep checking in yourself here .

7:19 EST:

should Baylor approach intelligent design research?		print
Encourage it		844
Discourage it		227
Support it		61
Prohibit it		35
		1
		1
		1
		0
		0
		0
		0
		0
		0
		0
		0
		0

Comments

Oops, I feel like a total dunce. I meant Southwestern (not Southern). Not sure how those wires got crossed :-) TimToolbox_Tim_{November 16, 2007
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We should be allowed to vote encourage AND support.realpc_{November 16, 2007
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Encourage it 747 Discourage it 227 Support it 60 Prohibit it 35 I just got that result when I clicked view results. Is that correct?Acquiesce_{November 16, 2007
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magnan, let's not over do the "they're out to get me/us" Southern is a Christian college. No one is going to complain if they had an ID research program there. No one. No one there complained when they employed Dr Dembski at Southern. If you'll recall it was the Darwinists at Baylor who brought down the ID center there. There is no Darwin department at Southern. :-) TimToolbox_Tim_{November 16, 2007
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Dr. Dembski, thanks for that update. I am not a scientist and I don't get 50% of what is talked about but it makes sense to me to leverage ID friendly colleges and universities (like Southern) for ID related research instead of trying to convince the Darwin only schools like Baylor to make room for ID. I've read most of the ID history concerning Baylor and I'm convinced I'd rather see a school like Southern get the credit when great ID related scientific accomplishments are achieved. When they start seeing scientific advancements at ID friendly schools I think the Darwin only colleges will begin to open their eyes and not want to be left behind (no pun intended). Who knows, when ID research can get off the ground and start producing fruit maybe one day Baylor will actually *ask* you or other ID scientists to establish an ID research center. TimToolbox_Tim_{November 16, 2007
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Toolbox_Tim: "The only reason I can think of that Southern would not allow Dr Dembski to do ID research there would be money." Another reason would be fear that any such public support would bring "disrepute" to Southern. In the present intolerant academic climate this would be a valid concern.magnan_{November 16, 2007
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Well, I jut looked at it was about 50:50. The Darwinists say there is no controversy, but the poll speaks otherwise.poachy_{November 16, 2007
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Guys: I checked maybe 45 minutes ago, and the numbers were very different, like 2:1 in favor of ID. I think someone is scamming the vote system.Chemfarmer_{November 16, 2007
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Toolbox_Tim: I'm at Southwestern (www.swbts.edu). And yes, there are discussions about funding ID in the way you suggest. By the way, a fuller version of the article with more bells and whistles is at http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/55567.pdf.William Dembski_{November 16, 2007
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I am annoyed by polls like this that don't have enough choices to cover a broader range of opinions. Not that I would have voted differently, but it might have been more interesting if choices like "Ignore it" had been included. That's what happens when you have immature, inexperienced people designing polls.Daniel King_{November 16, 2007
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I just thought of something and I have a question. Does Southern not allow Dr Dembski to do ID research or do they require all of his energies go exclusively to teaching theology? You would think Southern would embrace an ID research component and Dr Dembski is already there. Imagine the noteriety (and prestige) they would gain if Dr Dembski did some ground breaking research/work at their campus. The only reason I can think of that Southern would not allow Dr Dembski to do ID research there would be money. If that's the reason I for one would donate $$ to Southern to sponsor ID research lead by Dr Dembski. I think other people would do the same. TimToolbox_Tim_{November 16, 2007
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Actually some anti-ID people on the Darwin forum are suggestion other anti-ID people vote "encourage". They seem to think if Baylor allows any ID research it will back fire. Or some kind of weird logic like that. TimToolbox_Tim_{November 16, 2007
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Encourage means public endorsement, while support means money for research.Collin_{November 16, 2007
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What's the difference between "encouraging" ID and "supporting" ID?prhean_{November 16, 2007
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To be fair- these results are going to be greatly skewed. First of all, most Baylor students don't read the lariat online- second, any ip can vote- so as soon as an anti-ID site links to the poll, the results will swing. Oh well.bork_{November 16, 2007
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I am encouraged by the responses to the poll! :)Joseph_{November 16, 2007
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bornagain77, "Note to Lilley and Kelley, please develop some Baptist backbone!" AMEN!!bFast_{November 16, 2007
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Encourage it 83 Support it 38 Discourage it 29 Prohibit it 17 Look for the Darwinists to suppress this information. They hate democracy.Solon_{November 16, 2007
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Encourage it 75 Support it 37 Discourage it 23 Prohibit it 14 Total 149 Looking pretty good for ID! Toolbox Tim - If "Encourage It" comes in #1, Dr. Dembski gets to eat at the Baylor Cafateria again!Glarson24_{November 16, 2007
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Is this a popularity poll or will they be taking action on the poll results? TimToolbox_Tim_{November 16, 2007
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I just checked and the numbers are: Encourage it 52 Support it 26 Discourage it 12 Prohibit it 5GilDodgen_{November 16, 2007
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I read the story: What a friggin soap opera! Bottom line; Baylor had a chance to be cutting edge in a field that holds tremendous promise: ID! Yet because of the secondary "God" angle, that comes from the design inference, and the ridicule they might endure from unbelievers, they tucked tail and ran away from the fight! Note to Lilley and Kelley, please develop some Baptist backbone!bornagain77_{November 16, 2007
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