Recently, Bill Dembski, founder of Uncommon Descent, got together with Fred Skiff, chair of the physics department at the University of Iowa, to discuss themes from his book, *Being as Communion:*

Jon Garvey on William Dembski’s *Being as Communion*

Goodreads quotes from *Being as Communion*

The conversation examines why information is the most basic object of study in science and how Conservation of Information naturally leads to the conclusion that intelligence is the ultimate source of information.

Bill Dembski, “Conversation about the Primacy of Information for Science” atBill Dembski.com

For me personally, I think that Dr. Dembski, in a video entitled “The Primacy of Information for Science” could have taken the principle of “Conservation of Information” much further, from merely a mathematical proof, into physics.

For instance, in the video Dr. Dembski defines information as such:

And as to relating information, i.e. “the reduction of possibilities within a reference class”, to physics we find that the in quantum physics that quantum wave function, prior to collapse, is mathematically defined as being in a ‘infinite dimensional’ state,

Moreover, we find that it takes an infinite amount of information to describe the quantum wave function prior to its collapse,

In what should be needless to say, the collapse of a wave function from a infinite dimensional-infinite information state to a single bit state within the four-dimensional space-time of this universe is the most dramatic example of a “reduction of possibilities within a reference class” that is possible.

In further relating information, i.e. “the reduction of possibilities within a reference class”, to physics we also find that, as far as entropy itself is concerned, the universe itself is a severe example of “the reduction of possibilities within a reference class.”

Entropy is also, by a wide margin, the most finely tuned of the initial conditions of the Big Bang. Finely tuned to an almost incomprehensible degree of precision, 1 part in 10 to the 10 to the 123rd power. As Roger Penrose himself stated that, “This now tells us how precise the Creator’s aim must have been: namely to an accuracy of one part in 10^10^123.”

To give us a clue just how much of a “reduction of possibilities within a reference class” 1 in 10^10^123 actually = is, in the following video Dr. Bruce Gordon states, “you would need a hundred million, trillion, trillion, trillion, universes our size, with a zero on every proton and neutron in all of those universes just to write out this number. That is how fine tuned the initial entropy of our universe is.”

As should be needless to say, entropy itself is certainly one heck of a “reduction of possibilities within a reference class” and thus entropy itself, on top of quantum physics, also gives us compelling evidence, via William Dembski’s definition of information, that the universe must be ‘information theoretic’ in its foundational basis.

In further solidifying the connection between information, entropy, and quantum mechanics, Tom Seigfried states that “The equations of information theory and the second law are the same, suggesting that the idea of entropy is something fundamental…”

And now it has been demonstrated that ‘information has a thermodynamic content’.

In the following 2010 experimental realization of Maxwell’s demon thought experiment, it was demonstrated that knowledge of a particle’s location and/or position converts information into energy.

And as the following 2010 article stated about the preceding experiment, “This is a beautiful experimental demonstration that information has a thermodynamic content,”

Moreover, this following 2011 paper goes even further and states that the entropy of a system is always dependent on how much knowledge of the system an ‘observer’ may have of the system. Specifically, “an an object does not have a certain amount of entropy per se, instead an object’s entropy is always dependent on the observer. Applied to the example of deleting data, this means that if two individuals delete data in a memory and one has more knowledge of this data, she perceives the memory to have lower entropy and can then delete the memory using less energy.,,,”

And as the following 2017 article states: James Clerk Maxwell (said), “The idea of dissipation of energy depends on the extent of our knowledge.”,,,

quantum information theory,,, describes the spread of information through quantum systems.,,,

Fifteen years ago, “we thought of entropy as a property of a thermodynamic system,” he said. “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,,

What is so interesting about finding “entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”, is that the information content that is found to be in a simple one cell bacterium, when working from the thermodynamic perspective, is found to be around 10 to the 12 bits,,,

,,, Which is the equivalent of about 100 million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica. ‘In comparison,,, the largest libraries in the world,, have about 10 million volumes or 10^12 bits.”

And thus since Bacterial cells are about 10 times smaller than most plant and animal cells.

And since there are conservatively estimated to be around 30 trillion cells within the average human body,

Then that gives us a rough ballpark estimate of around 300 trillion times 100 million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica. Or about 300 trillion times the information content contained within the books of all the largest libraries in the world.

Needless to say, that is a massive amount of positional information.

As the following article states, the information to build a human infant, atom by atom, would take up the equivalent of enough thumb drives to fill the Titanic, multiplied by 2,000.

On top of that we can add the fairly recent findings that demonstrate that quantum information is ubiquitous within biology. As Dr Reiper remarks in the following video, “practically the whole DNA molecule can be viewed as quantum information with classical information embedded within it.”

The interesting thing about quantum information is that it is experimentally shown to “non-local” as well as “conserved”.

As the following paper entitled “Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory” stated, ““Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,”

And as the following article states, “In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed.”

The implication of finding ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, and ‘conserved’, quantum information in molecular biology on such a massive scale, in every important biomolecule in our bodies, is fairly, and pleasantly, obvious.

That pleasant implication, of course, being the fact that we now have very strong empirical evidence suggesting that we do indeed have an eternal soul that is capable of living beyond the death of our material bodies. As Stuart Hameroff states in the following article, the quantum information,,, isn’t destroyed. It can’t be destroyed.,,, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body. Perhaps indefinitely as a soul.”

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Thus in conclusion, the principle of ‘Conservation of Information” plays far deeper into physics, and even into quantum biology, than, IMHO, Dr. Dembski has thus far elucidated mathematically.

Myself, I think it is well worth exploring this issue of ‘Conservation of Information” in full as to how it relates to quantum physics, and quantum biology in particular, and not just, basically, exploring it mathematically (no matter how mathematically rigorous that exploration may be by Dembski and company)..

After all, is not science equally dependent of both mathematical models and the experimental confirmation of those mathematical models?

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