This seems to be popular culture day at Uncommon Descent. Like Duck Dynasty and The Nation.
Hey, live with it. Tomorrow could feature roundworm genetics, and we still won’t apologize. We cook what we catch.
Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal explained yesterday why he thinks his political opponents are the true science deniers.
That sent one pair of eyes to the files around here because Jindal faced such criticism himself when he acted to prevent teachers from becoming mere mouthpieces for the Darwin lobby:
The 2008 Louisiana Science Education Act, which was signed into law by Governor Bobby Jindal, expressly forbids the promotion of any religious doctrine in the classroom, but allows teachers to “use supplemental textbooks and other instructional materials to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review scientific theories in an objective manner,” including evolution and origin-of-life theories. Additionally, teachers using supplemental resources must first “teach the material presented in the standard textbook supplied by the school system,” and the State Board of Education reserves the right to veto any inappropriate supplemental materials. Guidelines adopted by the state education board further stipulate that any supplementary information presented by teachers must be “scientifically sound and supported by empirical evidence.”
Well, anything of the kind would be quite unacceptable to Darwin’s followers. Darwin first, last, and only, everywhere and all the time, or they’ll lobby or sue. And anyone who disagrees with any of their precepts is a “creationist,” irrespective of their actual views.
Anyway, Jindal’s current target is something else, climate change:
Republican Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal turned the tables on President Obama yesterday, accusing the White House of being “science deniers” when it comes to energy.
“We now face an administration that is composed of science deniers when it comes to energy and the environment,” Jindal said at a lunch with reporters at The Heritage Foundation. “You are looking at an administration that is holding our economy hostage to their radical views. It really is an article of religious faith amongst this administration the way they approach these questions of policy.”
Pressed after his presentation to identify what specific science the White House was denying, Jindal rattled off a lengthy list:
He is demonstrating, it seems, that any number can play at that “science denial” game.
Partly because Louisiana should really belong to Canada anyway (its roots are French, you know 😉 ), here’s O’Leary for News’s favourite Louisiana song:
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I don’t know how many times Darwinists/Materialists/Atheists have told me that only their worldview was ‘science’ and my Theistic/Christian worldview was not scientific. It is easily over a hundred times that I’ve been told that. ,,,
In fact materialists have a self-serving definition for this arbitrary limit on science. ‘Methodological Naturalism’. i.e. Only naturalisitc causes may be invoked in science.
Now I don’t know the name of the materialist who made that self-serving definition of science up, but I had never heard that term, ‘Methodological Naturalism’, before I got involved in these debates on Origins.
Thus, it was with more than a passing interest for me when I first learned, a few years ago, that,
In fact, the only thing I’ve ever seen undeniable evidence for evolution of from Darwinists is the theory of evolution itself. i.e. The theory is so mallable that it is able to incorporate any contrary finding easily.
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Good news! ID has news allies in the fight against evolution.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/n.....on-schools
Well, so there is at least one thing that ISIS and I agree about. Evolution is not true.
HOWEVER, our strategy is totally different.
Neither IDers nor creationists want the teaching of evolution in the school system to stop. It is important that we all fully understand what the theory of evolution whether we believe it is true or not.
So yes, I disagree with ISIS here. We SHOULD teach it, and teach it fairly showing what we believe is well supported and what is not well supported.
Nice try, REC, but I personally do not know one creationist who says we should NOT teach the theory of evolution, although there are probably some out there.
Darwinism is the only religion that was created specifically to deny science.
REC 2
Stalin and Mao were atheists, so by your logic you support their murder of tens of millions of innocent people. Right?
Anthropic, why did you leave Hitler’s holocaust out of your “atheist” atrocities? Could it be that this was made possible by Hitler playing into the Christian anti semetism that was rampant at the time?
A_b:
Hitler’s core frame of thought, from Mein Kampf, Bk I, Ch XI:
Paul of Tarsus, Apostle, on Mars Hill Athens, c. 50 AD, on racism . . . by way of utterly distinct contrast:
Yes, there have been adherents of Christian beliefs that have said and done awful things. They have always been in the wrong to think and act thusly . . . and there are abundant primary source moral resources to correct and reform such.
The well-poisoning fails.
Where, lastly, it seems Herr Schicklegruber, styled Hitler, was a skeptical neopagan with occultic influences operating in a milieu in material part shaped by Darwinist scientism. He was perfectly wiling to apply the nihilist principle, might and manipulation make ‘right’ and ‘truth,’ as history demonstrates.
Now, after several threads, can you kindly provide a basis on which lab coat clad evo mat thought has an IS that grounds OUGHT, apart from nihilism or amorality that opens the door to nihilism, once people are sufficiently poisoned against and/or forgetful of the Judaeo-Christian worldview and ethical frame?
With Hitler’s Germany joining Stalin’s USSR and Mao’s China as living memory cases in point.
KF
PS: It should be noted that Hitler’s hatred of Jews was primarily rooted in racial-ideological-evolutionary (sex selection and Aryans vs inferior breeds . . . ) terms, and that the attempted genocide (he “only” killed 1/3 of global Jews) was not driven as a religious pogrom. The myth of the stab in the back in 1918 with the victorious Allies riddled with a Jewish conspiracy, with Bolshevism cast as a Jewish conspiracy [as in, Marx and Trotsky among others] harks back to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, not the NT. Ironically, the Iron Cross holding Captain of his unit in WWI was Jewish and there seemed to be a fair bit of Jewish heritage in his entourage, most recently it seems hairs from Ms Eva Braun . . . nice Jewish name, too . . . point to Jewish genetic markers. Yes, Luther’s writings and behaviour were utterly out of order; out of order precisely because they were in direct, blatant disobedience to the teachings and examples of the very NT Luther sought to obey. No, there is no way that Judaeo-Christian ethics in light of its core moral teachings — an utter contrast to say Quran Surah 9:5 and 29 or the highly relevant Gharqad Tree hadith that is cited in the Hamas Covenant Article 7 — can be twisted into justification for racially motivated mass murder, i.e. genocide as properly defined as a neologism coined to describe what Hitler did.
F/N: To clear the air of well-poisoning strawman distortions, here is the central summary of Judaeo-Christian ethical teaching as presented by its principal teacher:
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>>Matthew 5-7 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Sermon on the Mount
5 Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him.
The Beatitudes
2 And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[a] of God.
10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people’s feet.
14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that[b] they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Christ Came to Fulfill the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Anger
21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[c] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[d] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[e] of fire. 23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. 26 Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.[f]
Lust
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Divorce
31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths
33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[g]
Retaliation
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[h] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Love Your Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers,[i] what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Giving to the Needy
6 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2 “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
The Lord’s Prayer
5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 Pray then like this:
“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.[j]
10 Your kingdom come,
your will be done,[k]
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread,[l]
12 and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.[m]
14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Fasting
16 “And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Lay Up Treasures in Heaven
19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[n] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, 23 but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.[o]
Do Not Be Anxious
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?[p] 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Judging Others
7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
Ask, and It Will Be Given
7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 9 Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? 11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
The Golden Rule
12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[q] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Build Your House on the Rock
24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
The Authority of Jesus
28 And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, 29 for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.
Footnotes:
Matthew 5:9 Greek huioi; see Preface
Matthew 5:16 Or house. 16Let your light so shine before others that
Matthew 5:22 Some manuscripts insert without cause
Matthew 5:22 Greek says Raca to (a term of abuse)
Matthew 5:22 Greek Gehenna; also verses 29, 30
Matthew 5:26 Greek kodrantes, Roman copper coin (Latin quadrans) worth about 1/64 of a denarius (which was a day’s wage for a laborer)
Matthew 5:37 Or the evil one
Matthew 5:40 Greek chiton, a long garment worn under the cloak next to the skin
Matthew 5:47 Or brothers and sisters. The plural Greek word adelphoi (translated “brothers”) refers to siblings in a family. In New Testament usage, depending on the context, adelphoi may refer either to brothers or to brothers and sisters
Matthew 6:9 Or Let your name be kept holy, or Let your name be treated with reverence
Matthew 6:10 Or Let your kingdom come, let your will be done
Matthew 6:11 Or our bread for tomorrow
Matthew 6:13 Or the evil one; some manuscripts add For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever. Amen
Matthew 6:19 Or worm; also verse 20
Matthew 6:24 Greek mammon, a Semitic word for money or possessions
Matthew 6:27 Or a single cubit to his stature; a cubit was about 18 inches or 45 centimeters
Matthew 7:13 Some manuscripts For the way is wide and easy >>
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I trust that this will be duly borne in mind henceforwards.
KF
PS: For those taken in by Hitler was a Catholic Christian rhetoric [even in the teeth of the above], kindly cf here for a visual exposure of his demonically blasphemous anti-Christian political messianism.
F/N: On the stab in the back, c 1918, understand Russia’s exit from the Great War under the Bolsheviks. Where, the German General staff conveyed Lenin across their territory to Russia from exile in Switzerland in order to create chaos in Russia. Multiply by in 1917, after warnings, the USA entered the war over unrestricted submarine warfare. By early 1918, Germany transferred 200 divisions IIRC to the West, and in March launched a series of major offensives (even as the longstanding Royal Navy blockade not broken at Jutland in 1916 took increasing effect). The allies were almost broken but held, with the first major American engagements being a part of the story. By July-August 1918, Germany shot its bolt and exhausted its potential fruitlessly. The counter offensives in France and Belgium gradually restored mobile war, with the Germans in full retreat. IIRC, October, the Balkan fronts broke and advance through central Europe was in the offing. Nov 11 was the negotiated armistice towards surrender. Just before that the High Seas Fleet was ordered to sortie against the Royal Navy reinforced by the US Navy, and mutinied. Revolution was in the air in Germany and the state was broken. But, the myth of a stab in the back took hold. And opened the door to Hitler. KF
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The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches