Breaking the Peer-Review Barrier

"Grand Canyon, as another example. In our opinion, such suggestions are clearly not universal enough, and they seem to require direct intervention by the Creator during the evolution of the universe.” I drove through the south Utah desert last month, and the whole time I kept thinking how purposeful those mountain formations look. Like some kind of deliberate extraterrestrial artwork. Very enchanting. mike1962

I think we could cite the paper if we can come up with a disclaimer. Anyone care to come up with some? Mung

If you go here: http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-6-t-000622.html I think you'll see that there is a chance the authors' paper was inspired by an IDist. Bilbo

For those interested, the first and final versions and their pdf links are below. Version 1 http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0510102v1 We argue that the cosmic microwave background (CMB) provides a stupendous opportunity for the Creator of our universe (assuming one exists) to have sent a message to its occupants, using known physics. The medium for the message is unique. We elaborate on this observation, noting that it requires only careful adjustment of the fundamental Lagrangian, but no direct intervention in the subsequent evolution of the universe. full pdf version 1 http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0510/0510102v1.pdf version 2 http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0510102v2 We argue that the cosmic microwave background (CMB) provides a stupendous opportunity for the Creator of universe our (assuming one exists) to have sent a message to its occupants, using known physics. Our work does not support the Intelligent Design movement in any way whatsoever, but asks, and attempts to answer, the entirely scientific question of what the medium and message might be IF there was actually a message. The medium for the message is unique. We elaborate on this observation, noting that it requires only careful adjustment of the fundamental Lagrangian, but no direct intervention in the subsequent evolution of the universe. full pdf version 2 http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0510/0510102v2.pdf Final version pdf http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0510/0510102.pdf These are priceless. Will they leave them there where we can trace their evolution so easily? idnet.com.au

Quite interesting Bill; but now a million dollar question about a paradoxical situation: Are we allowed to cite this paper as ACTUAL EXAMPLE OF ID PEER-REVIEWED PAPER according to its content and in spite of A MERE STATEMENT? If the answer is Yes what do you thik will be the reaction of NDE supporters? In any case, this fact is good news. Kairos kairos

DK, "Read the book idiots". That'd never work. The Christians, Jews and Muslims would go to war over which book to read. I think a few others would throw their hat into the brawl too. bFast

I think if there is a message it would be: "Read the book idiots." DK

I remember that clever fellow, Jules, over at ISCID, suggesting just such an idea a few years ago. I wonder if he could get any credit for this. Bilbo

From the paper: "In the United States, people with cer- tain religious convictions have even imagined that the message might be encoded in the rock formation of the Grand Canyon, as another example. In our opinion, such suggestions are clearly not universal enough, and they seem to require direct intervention by the Creator during the evolution of the universe." Gee, that sounds like the polar opposite of Intelligent Design, since irreducibly complex structures would *require* the intervention of the Creator during the evolution of the universe. And this was from the first draft of the paper, so I don't think that the editors forced the authors to put it in there. zyncod

Conviction is a wonderful thing, depending on who is doing the convincing. "We have convinced ourselves that the medium for the message is unique: it could only be the cosmic microwave background." By the same argument, the medium could also be introns. Any information in the CMB is subject to entropy and is fading. A probable message to look for might be: "My love for you will never die." Collin DuCrâne

That requisite line . . . …Question: Which sentence was introduced by the peer-reviewers? ... The Design Paradigm

"Taunted by the Universe": http://looneytunes.warnerbros.com/stars_of_the_show/elmer_fudd/elmer_story.html ohhhhhhhhhh.... you waassscawwwwy wabbitt! No Elmer no! There's an outbreak of Rabbititus!!! Don't eat the Wabbit! Michaels7

The paper begins like this... Let us pose the following question. Suppose some superior Being or Beings got the universe going. AHA! They capitalized the word 'Being' which obviously belies their subversive theological agenda to get schoolchildren everywhere listening for messages from God. What's next, snakehandling?!?!? chunkdz

You see, they are not actually looking for a message. But once they have investigated their questions, having identified possible medium and messages, what then? Will they actually look for a message? Would that support ID? Maybe they'll turn it over to SETI, lol, since we all know that SETI is not in the business of ID detection. Also, you see, this is real science. They actually identify the designer and examine the motives of the designer. Of course, that's not really relevant, since their work does not support the Intelligent Design movement in any way whatsoever. I wonder if that is how they reason that their work does not support ID, since they actually identify the designer whereas ID does not. Mung

ABSTRACT

In our paper we are attempting to show that the bacterial flagellum is irreducibly complex, that our planet is in a privileged place in the universe, that the information in the DNA sequences present an instruction manual for life, and that and that the blood clotting cascade demonstrates an example that could not have occurred without the intervention of a higher intelligence. However, our work does not support the Intelligent Design movement in any way whatsoever but asks, and attempts to answer, the entirely scientific question of if their was a creator, how would it go about creating life in the universe.

Now write the paper and submit it to PNAS. Good luck. --WmAD ajl

This is hilarious!! bFast