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File:A small cup of coffee.JPG From Simon Oxenham at BigThink:

How to Use the Feynman Technique to Identify Pseudoscience

Last week a new study made headlines worldwide by bluntly demonstrating the human capacity to be misled by “pseudo-profound bullshit” from the likes of Deepak Chopra, infamous for making profound sounding yet entirely meaningless statements by abusing scientific language.

The researchers correlate believing pseudo-profundities will all kinds of things Clever People Aren’t Supposed to Like, and one suspects the paper wouldn’t survive replication. So why is this a job for Feynman?

Richard Feynman (1918-1988)

This is all well and good, but how are we supposed to know that we are being misled when we read a quote about quantum theory from someone like Chopra, if we don’t know the first thing about quantum mechanics?

Actually, one can often detect BS without knowing much about the topic at hand, because it often sounds deep but doesn’t reflect common sense. Anyway, from Feynman,

I finally figured out a way to test whether you have taught an idea or you have only taught a definition. Test it this way: You say, ‘Without using the new word which you have just learned, try to rephrase what you have just learned in your own language. Without using the word “energy,” tell me what you know now about the dog’s motion.’ You cannot. So you learned nothing about science. That may be all right. You may not want to learn something about science right away. You have to learn definitions. But for the very first lesson, is that not possibly destructive? More.

It won’t work because many people who read pop science literature do so for the same reason others listen to Deepak Chopra: They want to be reassured against their better judgement or the evidence.  Whether it’s that there are billions of habitable planets out there or that chimpanzees are entering the Stone Age, or that everything is a cosmic accident, or whatever the current schtick is.

And Feynman won’t help them, nor will a bucket of ice water. And it’s not fair to drag ol’ Feynman into it just because he said some true things like,

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.

Give the guy a break.

That said, Feynman (1918–1988) may have, through no fault of his (long-deceased) own, played a role in getting a science journalist dumped recently on suspicious grounds. See “Scientific American may be owned by Nature, but it is run by Twitter

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Hat tip: Stephanie West Allen at Brains on Purpose

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Alicia the clueless:
Don’t worry yearning, I am very familiar with the kinesins, dyneins, and myosins.
Then you must be familiar with the fact that unguided evolution cannot account for any of them. Cheers, Virgil CainVirgil Cain
December 24, 2015
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Alicia Kartelli wrote: Mohammad, did you forget to take your pills today? I don't take pills, because I keep my emotional life in order with prayer, and all manner of subjectivity. Presently about 50 percent of students at Harvard suffer from debilitating depression during their student career. A pattern of an epidemic of college depression repeated throughout the USA, and across the world. http://www.adaa.org/finding-help/helping-others/college-students/facts http://www.healthline.com/health/depression/college-students Harvard is now a shithole of depression, by reasonable judgement, that's how far things have come. That is the result of evolution theory functioning as a catalyst in the commonly human head vs heart struggle, the head destroying the heart. Subjectivity is an inherently creationist concept. Subjectivity works by choosing what the agency of a decsion is, that procedure results in an opinion. But evolution theory kills all room for agency, removes subjectivity, hence students become depressed. Who Alicia is as being the owner of her decisions, choosing to say what she does, is a matter of opinion. That means the answer to this question can only be reached by choosing it, and any chosen answer would be logically valid. And I choose "puke" as the answer of who she is in her soul. The usual mister Spock personality, the heart dead, and so on. I mean, who ever saw any evolutionist who had any kind of impressive emotional life?mohammadnursyamsu
December 24, 2015
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Mung, on a statistical level, a useful way to view entropy is as a metric of the number of ways mass and energy at micro level may be arranged consistent with macro level state defining variables. KFkairosfocus
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You tell me why it is, Mungy. Demonstrate your knowledge of biology and chemistry. And I didn’t answer the snowflake question because it is asinine. Yes snowflakes are ordered, as are micelles when you place lipids in a water environment. Certain molecules have emergent properties that allow them to counteract entropy, but they are non-living because life only occurs at the macromolecular level.Alicia Cartelli
December 23, 2015
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p.s. Is the universe become more or less ordered over time?Mung
December 23, 2015
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Aleta:
So I wonder what Mung thinks entropy is about if it’s not about changes between order and disorder?
First, if one defines ordered as the lowest entropy state and disordered as the highest entropy state, then one is either begging the question or arguing in a circle (pretty much the same thing). So what we need is the relationship between order/disorder and entropy that doesn't beg the question. Second, because I can come up with counter-examples. Notice how Alicia doesn't answer the snowflake question? Third, because I am 100% sure that I know more about entropy than most people. :) Entropy is a special case of the Shannon Measure of Information. It has to do with probability distributions, not order or disorder.Mung
December 23, 2015
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Dear Alicia, Chapter 6 of the textbook Physical Biology of The Cell (Second Edition) is titled Entropy Rules! Why do you suppose that is? What do you say that we use that chapter as our guide? I'm up for it if you are.Mung
December 23, 2015
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Mung says, "Entropy has nothing to do with moving from order or disorder." Here are some statements from the internet, which all says that entropy is a measure of disorder, and they all talk about a change in entropy as a key concept. So I wonder what Mung thinks entropy is about if it's not about changes between order and disorder? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entropy entropy 1 : a measure of the unavailable energy in a closed thermodynamic system that is also usually considered to be a measure of the system's disorder, that is a property of the system's state, and that varies directly with any reversible change in heat in the system and inversely with the temperature of the system; broadly : the degree of disorder or uncertainty in a system 2 a : the degradation of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity b : a process of degradation or running down or a trend to disorder http://physics.about.com/od/glossary/g/entropy.htm Definition: Entropy is the quantitative measure of disorder in a system. The concept comes out of thermodynamics, which deals with the transfer of heat energy within a system. Instead of talking about some form of "absolute entropy," physicists generally talk about the change in entropy that takes place in a specific thermodynamic process. Wikipedia In thermodynamics, entropy (usual symbol S) is a measure of the number of specific realizations or microstates which may realize a thermodynamic system in a defined state specified by macroscopic observables. Entropy is commonly understood as a measure of disorder. According to the second law of thermodynamics the entropy of an isolated system never decreases; such a system will spontaneously proceed towards thermodynamic equilibrium, the configuration with maximum entropy. Systems that are not isolated may decrease in entropy, provided they increase the entropy of their environment by at least that same amount. http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/entropy The idea of entropy comes from a principle of thermodynamics dealing with energy. It usually refers to the idea that everything in the universe eventually moves from order to disorder, and entropy is the measurement of that change.Aleta
December 23, 2015
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Don’t worry yearning, I am very familiar with the kinesins, dyneins, and myosins. I do not need to watch animations (even if you and you friends here think this counts as “understanding biology”). Also, I never said I was a teaching major. I know plenty of people who do computational work in biology, whether they got their start in biology or in computer science, none of them seem to have a problem with evolution. You are a dying breed. Mungy, you know next to nothing about biology (and apparently chemistry), I guess that is a little more than most people though. Congrats!Alicia Cartelli
December 23, 2015
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Alicia Cartelli:
Entropy is the amount of disorder in a system and it is a fact that things tend to move from order to disorder. Life counteracts this move toward disorder.
Snowflakes are ordered. Did they get that way by going from more ordered to less ordered? Did they get that way by counteracting entropy? Entropy has nothing to do with moving from order to disorder. Didn't they teach you that in your biology classes? No? Shame.Mung
December 23, 2015
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Alicia, I likewise am 100% sure that I know more about biology than most people. So you're not giving us much to go on there. :)Mung
December 23, 2015
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Alicia; I'm going to leave you with a bit of advice that was given to me back in 1970 when I was a graduating Math major. DR. Smith advised us to get into computer programming, as computers were the up-and-coming thing. Dr. Smith was right back then, and he would have been right saying the same thing up until 2009 when I retired from the field, and would be right were he saying the same thing today. This advice has been more than validated in my own life and career, and I would just like to pass it along (not in vain I hope). I offer this to you because another professor, from the Perelman Medical School at the University of Pennsylvania elaborated on Dr. Smith's advice in a conversation I had with him about a year ago. We didn't talk specifically about Dr. Smith or his advise, but the Penn Professor's advice fits quite nicely. We were talking about machines in the cells, and in particular the Kinesin (if you haven't seen these animations, you should seek them out, watch and learn more of them.) The Dr. advised me to check into a couple of hot fields today; Computational Biology and Systems Biology - which I have been doing. As to how all this translates to life advise to you, I would suggest that you change your major from teaching to Computer Science with emphasis on design. Then take on a biology minor or even dual degrees in Biology and Computer Science. You would then be well positioned to jump into fields such as Biomimetics, Systems Biology and Computational Biology. You could get in on the ground floor and wind up with an exciting career if that is what you seek. And you would learn a great deal about design in complex systems. I've had my career, and it was a good one, but if I could start anew, these fields would be it for me. And -- I do wish you well.ayearningforpublius
December 23, 2015
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Mungy, I don’t pretend to know it all. But I am 100% sure that I know more about biology than most people. Entropy is the amount of disorder in a system and it is a fact that things tend to move from order to disorder. Life counteracts this move toward disorder. If you need to be told that snowflakes are non-living, then I’m just going to see myself out. Yearning, you are beyond confused. First we talk about the process of evolution, now you want to talk about embryologic development. You should make up your mind because this is obviously way too much biology for you to handle at once. The “information and manufacturing processes arrived in that tiny space” when a gamete from both the mom and dad fused. Again, Bio 101. I hope you are not trying to take over the role of “teacher” here, because boy, that would be the day. Mohammad, did you forget to take your pills today?Alicia Cartelli
December 23, 2015
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Alicia unaware:
Entropy is basically when things move toward a more disordered state. All life counteracts this, while non-life does not.
Life is intelligently designed to counteract that, while non-life requires our help or it meets that certain fate. Cheers, Virgil CainVirgil Cain
December 23, 2015
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Alicia Kartelli wrote: "Mungy, the difference between you and I is that I don’t have to lie through my teeth." All people know for a fact that freedom is real and relevant in the universe, that things in the universe are chosen. They come to this knowledge naturally at a very early age, even without religious instruction. Evolution theory is in denial of this fact that they know to be true. So evolution theory requires to promote falsehoods, which the people know themselves are falsehoods. In the future students will be taught that once there was a time that scientists denied that freedom is real and relevant in the universe. The students will be astonished to hear of the majority of the most educated men and women denying the totally obvious. How could the majority have been liars? It must have been total chaos then. And yes it was chaos, the holocaust, the impending threat of thermonuclear war, environmental destruction. All sorts of anti-freedom ideologies like nazism, communism, materialism, atheism, came from the universities where evolution theory had taken hold, resulting in mayhem, world wars.mohammadnursyamsu
December 23, 2015
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Alisia: It seems obvious that you haven't watched the embryonic development of the chicken egg. I could have made it easier for you to find at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ah-gT0hTto It's only 4 minutes long so why don't you watch it and then get back to me. Yes I can focus on a single species at a certain point in time, and that's what this video so clearly illustrates. Not counting external sunshine, food and water, all that is required to develop that chicken from fertilized egg to the frying pan is contained right there from the beginning in the first fertilized egg. We see blue-print like information being transformed into a working body plan. We see the results of a computer like mechanism assembling chicken parts in a timely sequence resulting in a hatched chick, and eventually the bird in a pan. So what I see from biology is information and a mechanism to translate that information in a manufacturing like sense to a fully working model of a Rhode Island Red. In other words, an Intelligent Design. Similar to the various major brand auto manufacturing factories producing Ford's, Volvo's, John Deere's from plans and via manufacturing processes. Now watch the 4 minute video and explain to me again how all this information and manufacturing processes arrived in that very tiny space. I think you can get it Alicia ... I think you are smart enough to sit back and really think about this, and I really believe you can pass this course. You are worth it and you can do it.ayearningforpublius
December 23, 2015
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Alicia, I prefer to let you know-it-alls continue in your smug superiority. Are snowflakes ordered or disordered? Are snowflakes alive? Is life ordered or disordered, and is life getting more ordered over time or less ordered over time? Entropy has nothing to do with moving from order or disorder. Didn't they teach you that in biology class?Mung
December 23, 2015
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Yearning, apparently you have forgotten everything you learned. This is quite obvious in the way you talk about biology. When you talk about evolution in the way that we are, you can’t really focus in on a single species at a certain point in time. You love to talk about evolution and its occurrence over “deep time” and then you say “well the systems that I have or this other organism has right now are all required.” You’re a walking contradiction. Mungy, the difference between you and I is that I don’t have to lie through my teeth. I don’t have to use the internet when I talk about biology either because I don’t go to Google U like you do. And again, you can open all the books you want, but that doesn’t mean you actually learned anything. Why not just say “I understand basic biology,” if you think that you do? It’s almost like you’re actually trying to admit you don’t know anything about biology. Entropy is basically when things move toward a more disordered state. All life counteracts this, while non-life does not.Alicia Cartelli
December 23, 2015
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That is true. I just open them the normal way.Virgil Cain
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Well, Virgil, it's just obvious that you have never cracked open a biology book.Mung
December 23, 2015
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Zachriel:
Lungs evolved, along with air bladders, in fish. Lungfish are intermediate.
That is the propaganda but propaganda is not evidence. The fossil record shows fish-> tetrapods-> fish-a-pods whereas Common Descent predicts fish-> fish-a-pods-> tetrapods. Zachriel's willful ignorance, while entertaining, is still ignorance and should be ignored.Virgil Cain
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ayearningforpublius: A strange way of addressing my questions It's an important point, though not a comprehensive answer. The evolution of metazoan complexity is complex and only partly understood. As always, it's best to start with establishing the historical transition. Given the evidence for common descent, some of the pieces start to fall into place. The fossil record shows that the earliest life was unicellular. This was followed by primitive sponges, then more complex metazoa including bilaterians. Based on fossil and molecular evidence, metazoan evolution probably started with colonial cell behavior, followed by increasing cell differentiation. The basic transition is from diploblastic to triploblastic. From there, protostomic to deuterostomic. Whole-genome sequencing is helping to unravel the details. ayearningforpublius: My lungs Lungs evolved, along with air bladders, in fish. Lungfish are intermediate. ayearningforpublius: My heart … My circulatory system … The four-chamber heart evolved from a simpler heart. There are ample extant intermediates. The first internal circulatory system appeared in ancestors of triploblasts, and endothelium appeared in ancestral vertebrates. Again, there are extant intermediates. Flatworms lack a vascular system or coelom, but circulate nutrients in the gap between the ectoderm and endoderm. The next step was a coelom with cilia providing simple circulation. ayearningforpublius: My muscular system … Cell contraction to create mechanical movement is deeply rooted in the tree of life. Sponges don't have muscles, but have some of the proteins associated with muscles. As for your own, striated muscles, see Seipel & Schmid, Evolution of striated muscle: Jellyfish and the origin of triploblasty, Developmental Biology 2005. ayearningforpublius: My digestive system … Some organisms only have a single opening for their digestive system, however, you have two! The story of your digestive system is the story of your anus. Yes, you are an elaborated deuterostome, with appendages to stuff food into one end. Your digestive system develops the same way it does in a fish or a starfish.Zachriel
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Life, all life, is miraculous. Even Alicia. :)Mung
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Alicia Cartelli:
Mungy, you can give away all the textbooks you’d like. That doesn’t mean you actually opened them.
And you can say anything at all you like here and it doesn't mean you're not lying through your teeth. See how that works? The fact is that I did open them all, each and every one. What does it mean, exactly, to counteract entropy and how does we know whether or not counteracting entropy is actually taking place? Is there a measuring stick?Mung
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ayearningforpublius@4: Since I failed miserably in answering my own questions @29, I guess I'll take another crack at answering those questions. This time I will forgo sarcasm and just use some basic biology. The answers lie in basic biology, in particular cellular biology as follows: The body systems I list all arise from a single fertilized cell. The various types of body systems develop as the cells split and differentiate into cells of various parts necessary to produce the "directed" end product; muscle, brain, nerve, bone cells etc. The various cell types required, for example, to build a heart are directed to do so as the overall body grows and develops into the final finished product e.g. a seagull. And what is the Intelligently Designed mechanism at the root of all of this? Information is contained at the cellular level by such mechanisms as DNA and probably other mechanisms as well. This information can be likened to a set of blueprints containing all that is needed to construct and maintain a living animal. Also at the cellular level are mechanisms that act much like computer hardware and software that determine the type of cell to be produced, and when in the sequence of development those cells are expressed to become muscle, bone, nerve, brain etc. The sequence I've described can be seen vividly in the video "Flight the Genius of Birds at: http://flightthegeniusofbirds.com/ produced by Discovery Institute. A sequence in this video shows a time-lapse development of a fertilized chicken egg - I believe this was done with sonogram technology. The fascinating and instructive part of this video is that it shows the complete body plan of the bird apparent in the second day -- front/back, top/bottom, left/right. And then it continues to the hatching of the egg 28 days later. I believe what I have described here is a reasonable case study for what can reasonably be inferred to be a case for design and intelligence in what we actually see in nature. Now will someone present a reasonable and believable explanation as to how purely naturalistic processes (with time) result in what is present at the beginning in that single fertilized chicken egg?ayearningforpublius
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Alicia: FYI -- no sarcasm in my previous two comments.ayearningforpublius
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Alicia @33: Your words: " ... When I say “These body systems do not all have to be present in a living organism,” that is exactly what I mean. In fact, none of them are required for life. They can all be completely absent, and you can still have a living organism. ... " A strange way of addressing my questions, and I suggest you word smith just a bit lest you leave the impression that my human body can somehow live without the body systems I list. My human body does require most of these systems for life -- some are essential while others would only cause a degradation of some sort. Same with fish, they have there own set of essential body systems. Same with birds. Same with mollusks ... and on and on. You say " ... You think that because humans are complex and can’t live without these systems, therefore no other organism can. These systems must be present “at the same time,” you like to say. Well you are very wrong. ... " No Alicia, I am not wrong here. By now we both know that the list of body systems I presented was specific to humans, and more generally speaking to most mammals. I could use a different list for fish and a different one for mollusks and a different one for bacteria. But in each case there would be a necessary and definable list of body systems required for life to exist in that particular type of life -- and yes, they must be extant at the same time -- my heart dies ... I die.ayearningforpublius
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Alicia @33: You should not be so quick to claim knowledge of what another is capable of doing. The fact is I have taken and passed a college level biology class. I don't recall my grade, but it most likely was an A or B which would be consistent with my other courses in my BA Math/Physics studies. I also don't recall if there was an evolution component, but if there were I most likely would have aced it since at the time I was an Atheist and evolution would have been right up my alley. Would I pass such a course today? I don't see any reason why I wouldn't.ayearningforpublius
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Alicia Cartelli- YOU can open all of the biology textbooks you like. That doesn't mean you understand what is in them. :razz:Virgil Cain
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Mungy, you can give away all the textbooks you'd like. That doesn't mean you actually opened them. And once again you're wrong on all counts.Alicia Cartelli
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