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File:A small cup of coffee.JPG From Simon Oxenham at BigThink:

How to Use the Feynman Technique to Identify Pseudoscience

Last week a new study made headlines worldwide by bluntly demonstrating the human capacity to be misled by “pseudo-profound bullshit” from the likes of Deepak Chopra, infamous for making profound sounding yet entirely meaningless statements by abusing scientific language.

The researchers correlate believing pseudo-profundities will all kinds of things Clever People Aren’t Supposed to Like, and one suspects the paper wouldn’t survive replication. So why is this a job for Feynman?

Richard Feynman (1918-1988)

This is all well and good, but how are we supposed to know that we are being misled when we read a quote about quantum theory from someone like Chopra, if we don’t know the first thing about quantum mechanics?

Actually, one can often detect BS without knowing much about the topic at hand, because it often sounds deep but doesn’t reflect common sense. Anyway, from Feynman,

I finally figured out a way to test whether you have taught an idea or you have only taught a definition. Test it this way: You say, ‘Without using the new word which you have just learned, try to rephrase what you have just learned in your own language. Without using the word “energy,” tell me what you know now about the dog’s motion.’ You cannot. So you learned nothing about science. That may be all right. You may not want to learn something about science right away. You have to learn definitions. But for the very first lesson, is that not possibly destructive? More.

It won’t work because many people who read pop science literature do so for the same reason others listen to Deepak Chopra: They want to be reassured against their better judgement or the evidence.  Whether it’s that there are billions of habitable planets out there or that chimpanzees are entering the Stone Age, or that everything is a cosmic accident, or whatever the current schtick is.

And Feynman won’t help them, nor will a bucket of ice water. And it’s not fair to drag ol’ Feynman into it just because he said some true things like,

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.

Give the guy a break.

That said, Feynman (1918–1988) may have, through no fault of his (long-deceased) own, played a role in getting a science journalist dumped recently on suspicious grounds. See “Scientific American may be owned by Nature, but it is run by Twitter

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Hat tip: Stephanie West Allen at Brains on Purpose

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Alicia Cartelli:
If you want to boil it down, life is something that is able to counteract entropy.
You're starting to sound like a Creationist. Nothing counteracts entropy. You're probably just confused about negentropy (negative entropy).Mung
December 22, 2015
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Oh Alciia, I've probably given away more biology textbooks than you've ever opened.Mung
December 22, 2015
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If Alicia ever opened a biology textbook she would have known that Basic biological reproduction is irreducibly complexVirgil Cain
December 22, 2015
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Really, Daniel? I know of a number of professors of religion, with very good understandings of the theologies of several religions, who are themselves agnostics or atheists. In fact, the more deeply one studies comparative religion, the more likely it is for many to realize how much those religions are human inventions, and thus to not "believe in" any of them. So I can't begin to understand how it is inconceivable to you that one can not understand theology without believing it is true.Aleta
December 21, 2015
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Keep in mind that it isn’t necessary to believe in God to pass a course in theology.
Impossible to keep in mind. Can't even be conceived.Daniel King
December 21, 2015
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Oh Mungy. If you ever opened a biology book, you wouldn't have to ask me that question. The first chapter of every general biology book will explain to you that we consider life anything capable of reproduction, growth and development, metabolism, evolutionary adaptation, and responding to the environment. If you want to boil it down, life is something that is able to counteract entropy.Alicia Cartelli
December 21, 2015
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Like most on here, you should at the very least learn some basic biology, before you try to talk about its complexities. I won’t hold my breath though.
Dear Alicia, what is life? When you can answer that, perhaps you'll be competent to teach biology. Until then, you're just pretending.Mung
December 21, 2015
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See Wickstead et al., Patterns of kinesin evolution reveal a complex ancestral eukaryote with a multifunctional cytoskeleton Patterns of kinesin evolution reveal a complex ancestral eukaryote with a multifunctional cytoskeleton, BMC Evolutionary Biology 2010.
This is all speculation based on the assumption they did evolve and were not designed. But it does demonstrate the low level of evidence evos use to support their claims, not even realizing they only support a vague concept of "evolution" and they do not support natural selection or drift. BTW I would not only pass an introductory course in biology I would show the professor how ignorant we really are when it comes to evolution.Virgil Cain
December 21, 2015
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ayearningforpublius: And I fully agree I probably would not pass an introductory course on biology Keep in mind that it isn't necessary to believe in God to pass a course in theology. ayearningforpublius: if I went into the microbiological research area where apparently designed machines such as Kinesin are abundant, and there is apparently no evolutionary explanation for them See Wickstead et al., Patterns of kinesin evolution reveal a complex ancestral eukaryote with a multifunctional cytoskeletonPatterns of kinesin evolution reveal a complex ancestral eukaryote with a multifunctional cytoskeleton, BMC Evolutionary Biology 2010. ayearningforpublius: It is claimed that evolution is not goal directed — true? Correct. ayearningforpublius: It just happens over the course of ‘deep-time’ — true? Not correct, any more than the Solar System "just happened".Zachriel
December 21, 2015
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Alicia says:
Humans (and every other species on Earth today) are the product of billions of years of evolution..
That is the propaganda, anyway. It has nothing to do with science, though. BTW basic biology doesn't support your claims about evolution.Virgil Cain
December 21, 2015
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You would fail an evolutionary biology course, and likely a general bio course, based on your current understanding. You doing research in any field of biology right now is laughable. And maybe you should avoid using “sarcasm” while trying to demonstrate an understanding of something. You just come off as an idiot when people can’t tell where the sarcasm stops and your actual attempts to sound intelligent actually begin. When I say “These body systems do not all have to be present in a living organism,” that is exactly what I mean. In fact, none of them are required for life. They can all be completely absent, and you can still have a living organism. You, as a human require all these systems, but life in general does not. Humans (and every other species on Earth today) are the product of billions of years of evolution and during these billions of years species have existed with many different combinations and variants of these systems. Your problem is that you have a human-centric view of evolution. You think that because humans are complex and can’t live without these systems, therefore no other organism can. These systems must be present "at the same time," you like to say. Well you are very wrong. Yes each system has a specific function, but the evolution of these systems did not have in mind the structure/function that we see today. They are adaptations that have been formed over millennia, have constantly been reformed, and continue to do so. Like most on here, you should at the very least learn some basic biology, before you try to talk about its complexities. I won’t hold my breath though.Alicia Cartelli
December 21, 2015
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Well it seems I have flunked my introductory re-education courses in evolution. And I fully agree I probably would not pass an introductory course on biology -- that is I would probably fail and indeed be drummed out of school when I took the evolutionary part of the course. But biology has many sub-disciplines where I would probably do quite well, especially if I went into the microbiological research area where apparently designed machines such as Kinesin are abundant, and there is apparently no evolutionary explanation for them nor even a practical need to look for an evolutionary explanation in order to accomplish research and advance knowledge. If there were an evolutionary explanation, I think I would have found it by now ... and I have looked and not found it. And yet research proceeds. Another area in which I, as well as my teachers may have failed, is basic reading comprehension. Even though I prefaced my latest, somewhat hair brained story here, as sarcasm, I failed to get that point across to my teachers that I was using sarcasm, so I will remind them again that it was sarcasm --- maybe we all need remedial courses here. Dictionary Definition here: sar·casm. [?sär?kaz?m] NOUN 1.the use of irony to mock or convey contempt: "his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment" synonyms: derision · mockery · ridicule · scorn · sneering · scoffing · [more] But teacher, I do have a problem when you point out an error in my screed. You say "These body systems do not all have to be present in a living organism." Should I assume here that you meant "at the same time with, one another" Well then I would ask, if that were true, which of the items, or set of items, I mentioned in my long list above could I get along with and still function as a reasonably normal human being? I realize some of these are redundant, but would not that redundancy itself be a pointer to design, if only in the sense that if one member of that redundancy failed or were not there, would be a degradation of the full-up system? Other functional capabilities/parts such as smell, taste and hearing are of lesser life critical importance, but again, loss of them results in a net degradation (spoken as one having a serious hearing loss.) So please teachers, answer my basic questions at 4 above in terms that can be readily understood without hand waving, paper mache mountains, flexible polaroid film strips, or just-so story telling - and don't answer by telling me that I "just don't understand.". Tell me in simplistic fashion what YOU understand, and then relay that to the rest of us. Otherwise I am afraid I may indeed have to go the real re-education camps, complete with rubber hoses and the loss of Politically Correct food such as at Oberlin College.ayearningforpublius
December 21, 2015
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“I have this gigantic box full of parts. But how do I get them all put together in one complete package (like myself), and put together all at the same time?” I’m going to skip everything before this because it’s pretty much a string of thoughts I would expect a second grader to come up with and it also has nothing to do with evolution. Now, yearning, what you have said here is completely and utterly incorrect. These body systems do not all have to be present in a living organism, and in fact the vast majority of living organisms on this planet do not have any of them. You are so confused about evolution and science in general that it hurts. As Zach said, you would fail a basic evolutionary biology class. Fail it miserably, I might add.Alicia Cartelli
December 21, 2015
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ayearningforpublius: I am a person that does better using illustrations or visuals, so let me see if I can paint some sort of mental picture of evolution as I now understand it. You would not pass an introductory course on biology based on what you wrote. Try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EvolutionZachriel
December 21, 2015
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I hope by now that most have understood the sarcasm in which I have written here on this thread. I will continue here with sarcasm, but wish to offer this bit of seriousness as a prelude to the rest of my remarks. I am uncomfortable by nature in using any style of speech or writing that attacks, mocks or ridicules others personally, or needlessly embarrasses. Name calling is not in my nature and I strive to resist the urge. Thus please realize and accept my attempt here to de-personalize and genericize my remarks to the topic at hand. When it is appropriate to refer to individuals commenting here I will use a generic “Jane” or “John” as appropriate. So let me continue … with sarcasm turned on for effect. ** ** ** ** Thank you Jane and John for your remarks, even though they are contrary to my own views. Jane remarked “Yearning, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the basics of evolution.” On the contrary Jane --thanks to these very brief lessons I now believe I do understand evolution. I am a person that does better using illustrations or visuals, so let me see if I can paint some sort of mental picture of evolution as I now understand it. Ready … begin! So we have this thing called “deep time” in which all of this evolution takes place. As an illustration lets use a very large blanket, tarp or one of those cloaks like I saw a famous illusionist use one time at a Las Vegas show. This covering is quite large, because not only does it have to contain all those things that cause (oops – used a bad word there, perhaps a future lesson will give me a more correct vocabulary) evolution to happen, but it must also have room for all of those little bitty steps along the way to a final product, and also a place to collect the trash of those things that just did not work out – perhaps they can be recovered and used later for some other purpose (oops – again I’ll have to find another word ) So under this very large blanket, we have a very large assemblage of things (atoms I suppose) that are randomly moving around and often bumping into one another and moving one another in some different direction or another. OK so far? Now some of these atoms start lining up in peculiar ways that are not random at all, and in fact turn into what we now know as “elements.” Gold, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen are a few examples of this evolution that takes place under this “deep time” tarp. Eventually (I told you this is a very big drape, tent or whatever) these accidental bumps create (oops again – darn it’s real hard to come up with descriptive words that describe … well describe things that are made) Eureka! I’ve just hit on it “made” is what I will use in place of those other incorrect and forbidden words … whew --- I sure feel better now. Sorry, lost my train of thought there. What I was saying was that all of these accidental bumps produce these things called “organic” and inorganic” chemistry from which most things are made (hey that worked didn’t it?) From what I learnt a long time ago, inorganic chemistry is what things like rocks are made of (sure am liking that word), and organic chemistry is what my dog is made of. Maybe I got side tracked a bit there with this chemistry lesson, but from what I learnt in one of my correspondence re-education courses, evolution doesn’t care about how those organic and inorganic molecules originated (were made?) but only what happened later under that “deep time” blanket. In any case, somehow we wind up with this huge universe sized collection of molecules and plenty of time to play around and make something (made, make … wow I’m getting the hang of this.) So a long … long … long … long time ago, we wound up with a universe full of things that were tinkered with by this thing called evolution and wind up with quite a tool box of parts – now what to do with them … hmmm. I still have that long list of finished parts that I began with earlier in this lesson (thread), things like My lungs … My heart … My circulatory system … My muscular system … My digestive system … and so on, and I have this gigantic box full of parts. But how do I get them all put together in one complete package (like myself), and put together all at the same time? In another correspondence re-education course I learnt that there was never a first man or a first woman, so evolution must have failed along those lines and figured out a different, but not better way to build me and my dog. I say different but not better because I also learnt that there is no such thing as better as we now understand the word. So somewhere under this huge veil are many, many grotesque and ugly body parts that were originally unintended to be me – evolution just had to give up on that idea and come up with something better. And as we now see -- it did. It unintentionally invented the very first fertilized egg and then after many many more millions of years of jiggering around somehow a sort of blueprint evolved containing enough information, detailed plans (can I use that word?) and machine looking gadgets to very compactly and efficiently invent me. Thus was born the first thing called DNA and soon thereafter me and my dog. Thus the (just-so) story of life and how it came to be! And thanks to my teachers Jane and John I was actually able to peek under that huge blanket and actually see what was under there making all those wonderful things – like me and my dog. So I pulled up a corner and stepped in. And discovered the secret of life … Faith!ayearningforpublius
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Isn't it funny teacher #2 is doing the exact thing he's telling the student not to?Vy
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Design in life systems is a legitimate inference from the facts, and is a legitimate path of scientific exploration.
Explore to your heart's content. Take a bold step on that path. Don't waste your time here.Daniel King
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Rivers are designed! I always suspected it, but was never really sure.Mung
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Seversky @24 and others: I don't know if this is a diversion or something, but questions about rivers and canals seem to loose focus of the central issue here -- that being ... what is the most rational and plausible explanation of the vast development and diversity of life on this planet, how best to positively exploit knowledge of it for the benefit of mankind -- and very importantly, the freedom to explore answers to questions that arise from this central issue. Design in life systems is a legitimate inference from the facts, and is a legitimate path of scientific exploration. People like Dawkins and the NCSE asserting "illusions" and "appearance" of design don't make it any less real -- no matter how many paper mache mountains or poloroid film strips are presented by the smartest man in the world. Canals and rivers -- a lot like the question of how many angels dance on the head of a pin?ayearningforpublius
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Vy @ 17
Such amazing teachers. #1 prefers ad hominem, #2 postures, and #3 focuses on semantics and then replies with a question
The question is not just one of semantics but an attempt to illustrate what is at the heart of this debate. My answer to that question is to compare a river and a canal. From my perspective, they both have the same function, which is to channel water from one place to another. But only in the case of the canal do we know that was also the goal, the purpose in the mind of the designers and builders. So, to put the question another way, since we know that the canal was designed are we entitled to infer that a river must also have been designed?Seversky
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Ya sure Mungy? You've been wrong about pretty much everything else.Alicia Cartelli
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Alicia Cartelli: I hope you don’t teach science. We know you don't.Mung
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Alicia Cartelli:
Evolution is not “goal directed” in that there is no plan for the future.
Blind watchmaker evolution is not goal directed but Intelligent Design evolution is. Evolutionary algorithms demonstrate the power of directed evolution. BTW, your "concepts" are all made-up and depend on a failed philosophy.Virgil Cain
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“That’s your problem right there.” Well said, Dan. Yearning, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the basics of evolution. Evolution is not “goal directed” in that there is no plan for the future. There is variation in a population and this often translates to variation in reproductive success. The traits that better suit an organism to its environment are more likely to be passed on and over “deep-time” become an adaptation in the population. Virtually every part of your body performs some type of function, but the steps to evolve those organs was not “goal directed” in that evolution was not on a path specifically to those organs. You need to learn the distinction between current function and the evolution of function, the first has a “goal” (function), the second does not (except simply to better adapt a species to its environment). You’ll never graduate that school if you continue to demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of even the most basic concepts. I hope you don’t teach science.Alicia Cartelli
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what is the difference – if any – in meaning between “goal” and “function”? Neither one can be accounted for under current physics. So, scientifically speaking, none.Mung
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AYFP: "Then why is it that virtually every part of my frail body seems to be goal directed — every part — why is that?" As Seversky said, good question. But let me ask you a different questions. Why do natural features appear to be goal directed? Some examples: Ocean basins - for containing the oceans. River valleys - for directing water to lakes or oceans. Lakes - for receiving water from rivers. Clouds - to provide water for our crops The English Channel - to separate the English from the French. Limestone - to provide material for our buildings Chrystals - to provide a means for husbands to get out of trouble with their wives.George Edwards
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Such amazing teachers. #1 prefers ad hominem, #2 postures, and #3 focuses on semantics and then replies with a question. Brilliant!Vy
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ayearningforpublius @ 4
I have a few serious kindergarten level questions about this thing called evolution: It is claimed that evolution is not goal directed — true? It just happens over the course of ‘deep-time’ — true? Then why is it that virtually every part of my frail body seems to be goal directed — every part — why is that?
A good question, although the operative word here is “seem”. I also have a question for you: in your mind, what is the difference - if any - in meaning between “goal” and “function”?Seversky
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I suggest, start from worldviews analysis. And, beware that one's perceptions may be coloured by the if eyes are good/bad problem highlighted by Jesus of Nazareth in his Sermon on the Mount. If the light in you as you think is in reality darkness, how great is your darkness.kairosfocus
December 19, 2015
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See, there you go ayfp. Daniel King, another fine teacher. Keeping it simple. Simple is as simple does.Mung
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