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Can We Endure?

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We are deeply divided.

On the one hand, there are those of us who believe Lincoln was right when he said this nation was conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. We insist that the fundamental character of this nation – grounded as it is in the transformative and revolutionary principles of the Declaration – is very good indeed. We concede that these ideals have sometimes been imperfectly realized. Nevertheless, that goodness has always been central to our national character and has been demonstrated by the great strides we have made over the centuries toward realizing the ideals of our founding charter.

On the other hand, there are those who believe Nikole Hannah-Jones’ 1619 Project narrative. They say Lincoln was perpetuating a myth, and the ugly truth is that this nation was founded in an oppressive system that has always been central to our national character. Contra Lincoln, they believe this nation was conceived in evil and dedicated to the preservation of that evil, and therefore it must be transformed at a fundamental level.

Those views are irreconcilable.

In 1863 Lincoln understood that the nation was being tested. Could a nation so conceived long endure? When he said those words, the answer to that question was still very much in doubt. Today, we are being tested again, and the outcome of that test is again very much in doubt. The 1619 Project is being taught in literally thousands of schools. How can a nation endure when half of its children are being taught that it has always been evil at a fundamental level? Will this nation endure? It is hard to be optimistic.

Calls for from the Left to suppress speech are especially alarming. But we should not be surprised. Neo-Marxists Herbert Marcuse, in his paper Repressive Tolerance, says that even the thoughts of those expressing belief in the ideas of The Enlightenment and individual sovereignty should be silenced.”

Some people see a great irony here, because the Left at one time was the greatest proponent of First Amendment rights. Be assured; there is no irony. Muad’Dib’s dictum: “When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”

The Left was never in favor of freedom of conscience in principle. They were in favor of freedom when it was useful for them. Now that it is useful for them to stifle freedom, they are in favor of that.

In the days before the Left achieved cultural hegemony, they wanted freedom of speech for themselves. Now that they have achieved that hegemony, they no longer have any use for freedom. Their intolerance of competing ideas and call to stifle the speech rights of their opponents is merely an application of Muad’Dib’s dictum.

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WJM “This is what I don’t understand about people who believe there is a Divine Plan and that we are living it out and believe what is waiting for them when it is all over is eternal paradise. What good is all the psychological suffering and/or worry about the state of the world? “ I can only speak for myself but as a Christian I recognize that God is sovereign over all and my hope is not in Govt. Gods SECRET will is being worked out and my trust is in him. As a Christian I also recognize that Biblically God is sovereign but I am also a responsible agent and I am called to act accordingly to His REVEALED will. Vividvividbleau
December 8, 2021
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Only A Fool Would Let His Enemy Teach His Children – Malcolm X --Ramram
December 8, 2021
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SB, so rare to see you these days. KFkairosfocus
December 7, 2021
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Vividbleau (and other concerned readers,) This is what I don't understand about people who believe there is a Divine Plan and that we are living it out and believe what is waiting for them when it is all over is eternal paradise. What good is all the psychological suffering and/or worry about the state of the world? Is that helping the plan advance? Is it doing anyone any good? Why not live in as much optimism, joy and happiness as possible?William J Murray
December 7, 2021
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America has a long history of divisiveness. Most colonists did not support revolution for various reasons. Many opposed the Constitution. Our history is recorded to show the sometimes violent differences we have had with one another right from the start. The worst was Wilson, who was as close to a dictator as this nation has ever seen, He used propaganda to turn Americans against Germans, even those whose families had been in the country for generations. Wilson wanted America to come in on the side of France. He segregated the federal government, which included the military.BobRyan
December 6, 2021
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WJM “I’m actually quite optimistic about all of this.” Obviously I hope you are right but I am not optimistic at all. Irreparable damage is being done that will not be able to be undone. Laws are almost never rescinded and if Biden’s BBB plan is made into law, which I think it will be ( Manchin and Synema are just posturing and enjoying the attention but they will vote for it) no matter what happens in 2022 those laws will stay on the books. BBB is an unmitigated disaster for the USA. Vividvividbleau
December 6, 2021
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In my judgement, America’s founding documents represent mankind’s noblest attempt to provide a sound blueprint for governance because it emphasized the principle of “freedom with responsibility.” But there is the catch – people can govern themselves only if they remain informed and practice the virtue of self-control. That leaves us with the question: If Americans have lost their capacity to govern themselves, who is responsible for that state of affairs? Did our leaders fail us from the top down by selling us out, or did we fail ourselves from the bottom up by refusing to hold them accountable? Or, was it, as I believe, a consequence of both. I would sum it up this way: too many leaders stopped believing in freedom, and too many citizens stopped believing in responsibility.StephenB
December 6, 2021
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Jerry “Is it a fundamental flaw in humans or the susceptibility to misinformation?” It is the result of 50 years of indoctrination of our young, constant propaganda by media and a non informed non virtuous public. “The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. “ Vividvividbleau
December 6, 2021
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News, Barry, An anonymous quote and about Obama but could easily be said about Biden or by the left about Trump
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of idiots such as those who made him their president.”
This is a relatively educated and prosperous electorate. Is it a fundamental flaw in humans or the susceptibility to misinformation?jerry
December 6, 2021
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Some of us think that the biggest single problem isn't the governments. It is still the case that, in most of the Western world, governments are elected. Even corruption at the ballot box can be tackled. But when Mrs. Nice and her husband XY Barbie vote to defund the police - and then are astonished that their variety store is trashed and the insurance will by no means cover the losses - the problem doesn't lie with government. It may be that Mrs. Nice and XY Barbie can only live under a ruthless totalitarianism, whose propaganda they gabble even if it kills them. If their variety store serves the state, it stands, otherwise, ka-BOOM! And they go to their deaths gabbling what they have been told. They would betray absolutely anything in order to remain the Nice Barbies they either feel they must be or cannot help being. Barry seems to be assuming that most of the human race is suited to the type of constitutional order that the American Founders envisioned. But, as those people's remembrances are being defaced, even in the United States, I humbly submit that there is good cause for doubt. The complexity is this: There are lots of people in every nation who are suited to such an order. But those people may not be our neighbours or our fellow citizens. It's not an easy thing to know what to do next.News
December 6, 2021
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I'm actually quite optimistic about all of this. You can't really teach people some important things; they have to see it and experience it first-hand. How do you "undo" decades (if not longer) of society-wide programming and indoctrination into nihilistic, Marxist, socialism, short of a bloody purge/revolution? You have to let it go so far as to crash into every home and every life so that as many people as possible see and experience first-hand what their sleepy inaction and sloppy thinking has wrought, and what it is on path to becoming. You can't tell them; they have to feel it punch them in the gut. And yes, they're feeling it now. I've personally seen some of the most die-hard leftists/progressives who had been trained into this thinking their whole lives do a 180 degree about-face. It's flagrant and in their face now and has, in many ways, destroyed their comfortable world. And they realize they were the ones cheering it on the whole way. It's like the old saw that you're only anti-gun until you or your wife get mugged or worse. You can only believe that liquid being sprayed on your back is water until you start smelling the urine. It's really an amazing time to live in. Anyone watching what's going on in Austria and Australia? That's what happens when people hit that point where they can't even lie to themselves any more and there's no more "safe spaces" to hide out in.William J Murray
December 6, 2021
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What the founders created, despite their vast differences on every issue, was create the American dream. There is no French dream, but there was the Terror followed by Napolean. No other successful revolution in the history of the world has chosen the path the Americans took to limiting government and embracing individual rights, including the right to own firearms as a means of defense of self. People all over the world want the freedoms we have that are taken for granted. It is a search for greener grass without ever really researching any other country. Most people cannot even criticize their own government without risk of going to prison or getting killed. This is the country where Madam C. J. Walker became the first self-made female millionaire in the history of the world. Had she lived in any other country being born into poverty, no one would know her name today. There are countries where woman and girls are seen as nothing more than property. There are countries that still openly practice slavery, including generational slavery. There are countries seeking to eradicate people who do not meet their standards, such as the Ethiopian Jews. China uses slave labor, including children. They torture Christians and Muslims before killing them. They make people disappear every day.BobRyan
December 6, 2021
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Joe “Do you have a reference for this? “ How about 1.75 million references in the last calendar year? https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters “It seems to contradict the 2021 ranking of best countries for racial equality, where the US ranks 69th.” From your article “Here are the top five countries for racial equality, ranked by PERCEPTION” Quite the scientific study I must say!! Vividvividbleau
December 5, 2021
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PS, yes the US is indeed the number one preferred destination of emigration by people of colour, that is notorious and manifestly true.
Yet, still no reference to support this assertion. It may very well be true, but it would be nice to confirm this by reviewing a reference.Joe Schooner
December 5, 2021
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JS, the want of credibility for the survey you linked with obvious approval can be found in this clip:
Of the 78 countries ranked, the United States, birthplace of the Black Lives Matter movement, finished among the bottom 10 countries for racial equality, a lower ranking than China, a country the international community has condemned and imposed sanctions over its treatment of its Muslim Uyghur population.
KFkairosfocus
December 5, 2021
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JS, you obviously don't understand what it is to have history imprinted in your bones and in my case, written into my name. Tin ear. KF PS, yes the US is indeed the number one preferred destination of emigration by people of colour, that is notorious and manifestly true. Such is a counter weight to the 1619 rhetoric of tainting under false colour of history, which is Frankfurt School, culture form marxist agit prop. Much of it is outright big lie propaganda backed by power and influence that need to be exposed and severely corrected. Starting with, if you cannot pass the July 4, 1776 test you hold negative credibility on matters of policy, politics and governance. PPS: Have you forgotten that the right to petition for redress of grievances is part of US Const Amdt 1? Which is under the force of 2nd para US DoI, right of reform?kairosfocus
December 5, 2021
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Jerry, the only serious candidates would be Britain and its daughters, and Britain was only finally fully democratised in the 1920's. Even now it does not have a written framed Constitution, though there are several bits of legislation of constitutional character. Parliament has too much power to legislate at constitutional level as the balancing Monarchy has been weakened without providing the sort of limits the US Constitution does. Recall, what was done to the powers of the House of Lords about a decade ago, how. Other Commonwealth countries often have Constitutions, and nowadays these start with a Bill of Rights (in our case, I am unhappy with some of its phrasing and the associated back doors written in, including for certain Colonial like interventions and over-rulings through a Governor who is under secret instructions and holds here more potential power than a C18 UK Monarch*). The reality is, the breakthrough to Constitutional, Lawful state Democracy and associated freedom including of enterprise, was in the USA starting 1776. Those who cannot acknowledge that simple and readily demonstrated fact of history, expose their being under the control of crooked yardsticks regarding what is sound on political thought. KF * PS, I would have liked to have seen a Charter of Good Governance as a commitment in the Bill of Rights.kairosfocus
December 5, 2021
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Not by those who choose with their feet. America is by far the destination of choice by people of color.
Do you have a reference for this? It seems to contradict the 2021 ranking of best countries for racial equality, where the US ranks 69th. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-racial-equalityJoe Schooner
December 5, 2021
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Joe Schooner
Whenever people make these types of claims they are implying that those with legitimate complaints should just shut up because they would have it worse elsewhere.
Which legitimate complaints are you thinking of?Origenes
December 5, 2021
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Again, open for debate
I’ve seen nothing that challenges anything I said. So provide something. A good place to start is another country/system that has done it better.jerry
December 5, 2021
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Joe Schooner, go back and read the OP. You don't seem to have done so, at least not very closely. Everyone admits that the ideals of the Declaration were imperfectly realized. But the tree that grew from good seed has born good fruit. We now live in the greatest country that has ever existed. And that greatness includes the fact that it is one of the least racist countries in the world. The incessant lies of the left cannot drown out this truth. Yes, there were compromises in the original constitution. Eventually, it became evident that the country could not live up to its founding principles while those compromises remained. So they were jettisoned in the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. That is part of the point I made, which you do not seem to get.Barry Arrington
December 5, 2021
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KF, yes, Dune.Barry Arrington
December 5, 2021
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Joe “One could argue the current system is the least racist system in the history of the world, the fairest to women, the fairest to all minorities. Again, open for debate.” Not by those who choose with their feet. America is by far the destination of choice by people of color. Vividvividbleau
December 5, 2021
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DP, Vivid and the undersigned are descendants of slaves. KF
So what? Does that mean that you speak for all black people?Joe Schooner
December 5, 2021
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But yet the greatest document in the history of mankind. And the greatest nation in the history of mankind.
This is certainly open for debate. Unless you are implying that the strongest equals the greatest.
One could argue the current system is the least racist system in the history of the world, the fairest to women, the fairest to all minorities.
Again, open for debate. Whenever people make these types of claims they are implying that those with legitimate complaints should just shut up because they would have it worse elsewhere.Joe Schooner
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How would you know, did you actually ask someone on the left how they feel about freedom?
People have asked and the answer is to cancel those that ask. Oppression/lockdowns are coming from one side of the political spectrum. The side that needs it because their ideas cannot work.jerry
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To pretend that it doesn’t have flaws is just blinding yourself to the facts.
But yet the greatest document in the history of mankind. And the greatest nation in the history of mankind. This is the Not Perfect Fallacy. Or the Omission Fallacy. Nothing is perfect but some things are definitely better than others. No one has proposed a better system especially since the current system has been self correcting and getting better. One could argue the current system is the least racist system in the history of the world, the fairest to women, the fairest to all minorities. But yet, a significant minority want to get rid of it. It’s fueled by irrational hate.jerry
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BA, Dune? KF
Yup. He took his name from the Fremen name for a mouse-like creature. A great book. The movies, not so much.Joe Schooner
December 5, 2021
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The DoI had lofty goals, but they were not initially held up by the government or the constitution. Voting rights were state specific. Freed slaves were only allowed to vote in a hand full of states. To vote in many states you had to be a white male land owner. Women, well let’s not go there. The constitution was a compromise between slave states and non-slave states. To pretend that it doesn’t have flaws is just blinding yourself to the facts.Joe Schooner
December 5, 2021
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DP, Vivid and the undersigned are descendants of slaves. KFkairosfocus
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