Casey Luskin: ID as fruitful approach to science

_{Denyse O'Leary

May 13, 2022

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In his Kitzmiller v. Dover testimony, biologist Kenneth Miller referred to intelligent design as a “science stopper.” Similarly, in his book Only a Theory, Miller stated, “The hypothesis of design is compatible with any conceivable data, makes no testable predictions, and suggests no new avenues for research. As such, it’s a literal dead end…”
Casey Luskin, “Science Stopper? Intelligent Design as a Fruitful Scientific Paradigm” at Evolution News (May 9, 2022)

Luskin offers a number of examples of areas where ID is a fruitful approach, including

Evolutionary computation: ID produces theoretical research into the information-generative powers of Darwinian searches, leading to the discovery that the search abilities of Darwinian processes are limited, which has practical implications for the viability of using genetic algorithms to solve problems.
Anatomy and physiology: ID predicts function for allegedly “vestigial” organs, structures, or systems whereas evolution has made many faulty predictions of nonfunction.
Bioinformatics: ID has helped scientists develop proper measures of biological information, leading to concepts like complex and specified information or functional sequence complexity. This allows us to better quantify complexity and understand what features are, or are not, within the reach of Darwinian evolution.
Casey Luskin, “Science Stopper? Intelligent Design as a Fruitful Scientific Paradigm” at Evolution News (May 9, 2022)

The trouble is, many people would just as soon that research into evolutionary computation anatomy and physiology, and bioinformatics, however fruitful, not be done if it undermines a comfortable Darwinism.

This is the 12th and final entry in Casey Luskin’s series, which is a modified excerpt from The Comprehensive Guide to Science and Faith: Exploring the Ultimate Questions About Life and the Cosmos (2021).

Incidentally, here are two hilarious vids about fake COVID news from Shanghai. Couldn’t think where to put it but wouldn’t want you to miss out.

Note: The content is available. The warning is part of the joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMJ8Sch0pXc

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Fred Hickson/286
Anyone else prepared to say whether they’ve been vaccinated and why?
Vaccinated twice, boosted twice. Why? Polio, smallpox and is there any doubt that the population of Europe wouldn't have jumped at the chance of a vaccine against the Plague in the 14th century?
Those confessing to having been vaccinated – any ill effects?
Slightly sore arm at the injection site for a couple of days, mild flu-like symptoms for a couple of days after the first shot.Seversky_{May 17, 2022
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I hope people here realize that “adverse events” are any health issue that occurs after a vaccination, regardless of its cause. For example, a swallowed penny and three broken arms were recorded as “adverse events” following the Pfizer child vaccination.JHolo_{May 17, 2022
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Effect of High-Dose Zinc and Ascorbic Acid Supplementation vs Usual Care on Symptom Length and Reduction Among Ambulatory Patients With SARS-CoV-2 Infection The COVID A to Z Randomized Clinical Trial Key Points Question Do high-dose zinc, high-dose ascorbic acid, and/or a combination of the 2 reduce the duration of symptoms of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)? Findings In this randomized clinical trial of 214 patients with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection receiving outpatient care, there was no significant difference in the duration of symptoms among the 4 groups. Meaning These findings suggest that treatment with zinc, ascorbic acid, or both does not affect SARS-CoV-2 symptoms.
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FH at 279, Fred, your credibility, which had been poor, continues to drop. Grain from the Ukraine not reaching people? Do you know farmers in the United States have been and are being paid billions of dollars to grow nothing? That way, when there's a drought in one part of the country, or war, other farmers can start planting. It worked great during the Cold War. Not to mention the grain the U.S. sent to foreign countries.relatd_{May 17, 2022
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Oh and on
The way you ignore people...
I have ignored some comments (A Sauber, certainly, a fair few of ET's) but if anyone wants me to look at a previous comment that I may have missed, just drop in a comment number and i'l do my best to respond to any substantive content.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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I am not going to do the research that you can do for yourself. The way you ignore people, there is no way I care about your opinion that is based on willful ignorance.
Deary me. It's pretty obvious there isn't any evidence of "irreparable damage" that would stand up to scrutiny. Bluff called. Bluff exposed!Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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So, I've confessed to being thrice-vaccinated, soon to get my fourth. ET? I guess you aren't. Kairosfocus? Anyone else prepared to say whether they've been vaccinated and why? Those confessing to having been vaccinated - any ill effects?Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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I am not going to do the research that you can do for yourself. The way you ignore people, there is no way I care about your opinion that is based on willful ignorance.ET_{May 17, 2022
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You may want to start here, bearing in mind who this
I'm interested in ET justifying his claim that Covid vaccination has caused "irreparable damage".Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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The evidence has been produced. And vaccine deaths and damage has been in the news.
Post a link then.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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You may want to start here, bearing in mind who this is https://uncommondescent.com/ethics/let-us-listen-to-dr-robert-malone-dissenting-expert-on-the-covid-19-crisis/kairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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On the other hand I see no harm in green tea. Have you tried Kombucha? My wife insists on giving me a daily shot of her home brew and I'm still here to tell the tale.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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Fred Hickson:
Your claim. You produce the evidence. If people were dying and suffering irreparable damage from vaccines, how is this not news?
The evidence has been produced. And vaccine deaths and damage has been in the news. And I am not talking about starvation. Do you even read what you are responding to?ET_{May 17, 2022
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OTC supplements can easily defend us from covid-19. People have died from the vaccine. People have become disabled from the vaccine. All documented.
Your claim. You produce the evidence. If people were dying and suffering irreparable damage from vaccines, how is this not news?
People die from malnutrition. People become disabled due to malnutrition. A good multivitamin, along with added zinc, vitamin D, antioxidants and an ionophore like green tea or quercetin is all anyone needs to be protected from covid and influenza.
Starvation is a problem now in parts of the world and likely to get worse with the prevention of Ukraine's grain reaching them. The cure for malnutrition is the availability of food, in sufficient variety. Food supplements are a very recent fad and unnecessary where anyone has access to a decent and varied diet.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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FH, they are there and are not rare, but they are marginalised. Even web searches will exclude or marginalise, as BTW I am seeing on other topics too. The narrative is king. KFkairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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Fred Hickson:
Surely they need to explain everything.
And yet all they can explain are genetic diseases and deformities.ET_{May 17, 2022
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Fred Hickson:
Where are the accounts of irreparable damage?
Documented. Google is your friend.
The unvaccinated risk lifelong disability and death.
OTC supplements can easily defend us from covid-19. People have died from the vaccine. People have become disabled from the vaccine. All documented. People die from malnutrition. People become disabled due to malnutrition. A good multivitamin, along with added zinc, vitamin D, antioxidants and an ionophore like green tea or quercetin is all anyone needs to be protected from covid and influenza.ET_{May 17, 2022
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The people who say the majority of any genome is junk need to explain the histone octamers that spooled up that junk so the functional parts can be expressed.
Surely they need to explain everything.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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A vaccine that does NOT prevent infection and illness AND can cause irreparable damage.
Millions of people have been vaccinated. Where are the accounts of irreparable damage? Yes, vaccinated people still catch Covid, but the symptoms can range from non-existent to mild. The unvaccinated risk lifelong disability and death.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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The people who say the majority of any genome is junk need to explain the histone octamers that spooled up that junk so the functional parts can be expressed.ET_{May 17, 2022
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Fred Hickson:
There is zero evidence intake of zinc supplements protects against Covid infection whereas there is enormous evidence vaccination is safe and protects against Covid, especially severe infection.
That is either a lie or based on your ignorance. I just posted a peer-reviewed paper that says zinc, along with an ionophore, prevents the virus from replicating. This has already been demonstrated in other corona viruses. A vaccine that does NOT prevent infection and illness AND can cause irreparable damage. Versus OTC supplements to ensure your body is getting the essential nutrients that it needs. This entire pandemic is due to our nutritional deficiencies.ET_{May 17, 2022
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Yes, my hypothesis is that all “junk” DNA has a function, which potentially has a wide range of beneficial possibilities, direct and indirect (including error correction in DNA) to living things.
Dodging the evidenced fact that genomes contain sequences that clearly have no function for the organism in whose genome they reside . Edited for clarityFred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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Earth to Fred Hickson: How life originated dictates how it subsequently evolved. It is only if blind and mindless produced life would way say they also produced its diversity. And an intelligently designed OoL means that organisms were designed with the information and ability to evolve and adapt. Evolution by means of intelligent design, ie telic processes. Genetic algorithms exemplify evolution by means of telic processes. Meaning ID's concepts of biological evolution are very useful. That you continually ignore that just further proves that you are not here for an honest, open discussion.ET_{May 17, 2022
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Bob O'H @205,
So yes, my hypothesis is that all “junk DNA” has a function, though likely to have a variety of different functions.
Thanks, that helps. To be clear – do you mean a function for the organism, or would you include “selfish genetic elements” whose sole function is to replicate themselves, without providing any function for the organism?
Yes, my hypothesis is that all “junk” DNA has a function, which potentially has a wide range of beneficial possibilities, direct and indirect (including error correction in DNA) to living things. Dawkins’ theory (an anthropomorphic projection) could be generously compared to the notion that the chicken is the egg’s method of reproducing more eggs (reminiscent of alternation of generations as in medusa and polyp generations). Or perhaps gut flora, having massively higher potential evolutionary responsiveness, evolved the equivalent of exoskeletons in the form of “animals” to provide a perfect hosting environment for their reproduction and spread. Or perhaps the nucleic acids themselves are "selfish," and somehow part of a universal consciousness. No, I’m not hypothesizing any of these.
The Darwinist presumption is that biological structures and features are all due to random mutation and thus likely NOT to have a function.
This is most certainly NOT the position of evolutionary biology.
Oh really? So, do you believe that the causes of mutations are random events or is there a Zeus-in-the-clouds hurling high-energy particles, UV light, viruses, or sending mutagenic chemicals to precisely determined locations in a DNA molecule? -QQuerius_{May 17, 2022
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A: "So they are telling us individuals that we can stop climate change" B: "but who do you know that owns factories that send tons of reactive gases into the atmosphere?" Relatd, A: That's to get individual votes. B: No one, but the demand for such factories cuts across all political lines. Andrewasauber_{May 17, 2022
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Andrew, So they are telling us individuals that we can stop climate change but who do you know that owns factories that send tons of reactive gases into the atmosphere?relatd_{May 17, 2022
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not “voting along party lines.” Relatd, Unfortunately, we don't have an array of viable choices. Andrewasauber_{May 17, 2022
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Andrew, I get it. But, for me, we should all be working together not "voting along party lines." Best, Merelatd_{May 17, 2022
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Relatd, I'm just reacting to Freddie's Climate Change Troll. He's dumb enough to pretend to think it's not a political issue, and then turn around and accuse others of being political. Andrewasauber_{May 17, 2022
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Andrew, The answer is: It doesn't matter. Politicians are not some alien lifeform that do not live on the same planet we do. I am really tired of this concept of politics. We are all human beings who have to solve our problems, or not.relatd_{May 17, 2022
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