Casey Luskin: ID as fruitful approach to science

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May 13, 2022

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In his Kitzmiller v. Dover testimony, biologist Kenneth Miller referred to intelligent design as a “science stopper.” Similarly, in his book Only a Theory, Miller stated, “The hypothesis of design is compatible with any conceivable data, makes no testable predictions, and suggests no new avenues for research. As such, it’s a literal dead end…”
Casey Luskin, “Science Stopper? Intelligent Design as a Fruitful Scientific Paradigm” at Evolution News (May 9, 2022)

Luskin offers a number of examples of areas where ID is a fruitful approach, including

Evolutionary computation: ID produces theoretical research into the information-generative powers of Darwinian searches, leading to the discovery that the search abilities of Darwinian processes are limited, which has practical implications for the viability of using genetic algorithms to solve problems.
Anatomy and physiology: ID predicts function for allegedly “vestigial” organs, structures, or systems whereas evolution has made many faulty predictions of nonfunction.
Bioinformatics: ID has helped scientists develop proper measures of biological information, leading to concepts like complex and specified information or functional sequence complexity. This allows us to better quantify complexity and understand what features are, or are not, within the reach of Darwinian evolution.
Casey Luskin, “Science Stopper? Intelligent Design as a Fruitful Scientific Paradigm” at Evolution News (May 9, 2022)

The trouble is, many people would just as soon that research into evolutionary computation anatomy and physiology, and bioinformatics, however fruitful, not be done if it undermines a comfortable Darwinism.

This is the 12th and final entry in Casey Luskin’s series, which is a modified excerpt from The Comprehensive Guide to Science and Faith: Exploring the Ultimate Questions About Life and the Cosmos (2021).

Incidentally, here are two hilarious vids about fake COVID news from Shanghai. Couldn’t think where to put it but wouldn’t want you to miss out.

Note: The content is available. The warning is part of the joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMJ8Sch0pXc

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"Either global climate change caused by human activity is happening or it’s not." Relatd, Politically, it doesn't matter if it's happening or not. The question is, does anyone use the issue politically? What do you think the answer is? How much money is getting tossed around by pols because of it? Andrewasauber_{May 17, 2022
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Asauber at 260, That makes zero sense. Either global climate change caused by human activity is happening or it's not. U.S. votes don't matter in China or Africa.relatd_{May 17, 2022
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"So ID is politics, then?" Fred, Is Climate Change? Here's a hint: Do any politicians or political parties use the issue to get votes? Andrewasauber_{May 17, 2022
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FH, Get over it Fred. As guardian of all that is Evolution, you obviously don't know how to engage in actual discussion. Perhaps I, and some here, can get you out of the eternal hamster wheel you're stuck in.relatd_{May 17, 2022
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The red star doesn’t seem to mean anything.
Unless you have the key to the code!Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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Readers and commenters, here, my apologies. I'm retired and the hot weather has driven me indoors so I have more time on my hands than I deserve. If only Upright Biped would pop in and had time to exchange ideas with me. A guy can dream...Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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The red star doesn’t seem to mean anything.jerry_{May 17, 2022
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@ Sandy So ID is politics, then?Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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You are the first organism. You have no competition. What are you going to eat? How will you digest it? Where are you getting instructions about how to reproduce?
Good questions. But "organism" presupposes the ability to self-sustain and reproduce. Self-sustaining requires an energy source to maintain an out-of-equilibrium state against entropy, which will get us all in the end. First organisms could have used chemical energy sources. They didn't need to be fast or efficient as there was no competition.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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Fred Hickson There is zero evidence intake of zinc supplements protects against Covid
:) How in the world these "skeptics" are so gullible on believing whatever goverment tell them? These people have identical opinions with CNN(=democrats )meaning they have no opinions at all, just repeat what tv told them , perfect NPC type.
Relatd Fred at 244, You are the first organism. You have no competition. What are you going to eat? How will you digest it? Where are you getting instructions about how to reproduce?
It's very simple. Hydrogen bonds. :) "Scientific" explanation (fairytales) will start in 3...2...1...Sandy_{May 17, 2022
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God does not need man’s puny understanding, meaning science.
Obviously not. But then why give us this enormous universe and the ability (and curiosity) to study it? Come to that, why us? It is all very mysterious.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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Fred at 244, You are the first organism. You have no competition. What are you going to eat? How will you digest it? Where are you getting instructions about how to reproduce?relatd_{May 17, 2022
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F/N: BTW, climate is a 30 or 33 year moving average of weather so of course it changes. The issue is, trends, cycles and strange attractors etc. Then there are issues on negative feedback, which stabilises unless one runs into gain and phase margin trouble. KFkairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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KF @ 245, You mentioned Covid and I was curious. If you'd rather not say, no problem.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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FH at 234, "God the Designer doesn’t need puny ID." God can and did walk on water and calm the storm literally. So yes, HE can do what He likes at any time. He is the intelligence and HE is the cause of causes. God does not need man's puny understanding, meaning science.relatd_{May 17, 2022
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Zinc - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M MedCram video at beginning of C19 Drs Zelenko Bryan Tyson. Almost 100% success with high risk patients using zinc along with ionphorejerry_{May 17, 2022
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FH, as we both know, origins is a broad span, and of course OoL is the root of the tree of life. KFkairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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FH, many are, but if you are unaware you need to do some reading beyond the partyline sources. KFkairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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ID is about origins? Then why all the blather here against evolutionary theory which does not address life's origin, only what happens subsequently?Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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FH
God the Designer doesn’t need puny ID
In one sense, that's undoubtedly true. But since ID is about origins, this becomes a very significant point in another way. We can evaluate nature, the world, reality, human life - and find some evidence that God is, in fact, the Designer.Silver Asiatic_{May 17, 2022
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KF @ 238, I can't parse that. Are people on Montserrat vaccinated?Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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PS am i the only one seeing a red asterisk on "Comment" with required fields are marked red-star?kairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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VL, note my comment on clashing uncorrelated deterministic streams. If the causal trains in collision are dynamic stochastic already, then the result is even more the case. So, random relative to "fitness" -- often a circular concept -- is in effect randomness. Or, safer terminological ground, chance or accident. You will note I normally speak of blind chance and/or mechanical necessity, guess why, given the sort of endless exchanges that too often happen and make mountains out of mole hills. KFkairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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Nobody eating a varied diet is likely to be short on zinc and it is quite possible to overdose by taking supplements. There is zero evidence intake of zinc supplements protects against Covid infection whereas there is enormous evidence vaccination is safe and protects against Covid, especially severe infection.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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FH, vaxx rates are increasingly irrelevant as non sterilising, short effect if any, hence multiple boosters within months to a year or so. High adverse events rates. KF PS, the key political breakthrough was July 4, 1776, building on centuries of contributions. That moved us beyond oligarchy as in effect the space of political possibilities. The cultural buttresses to sustain that are being eroded and we are trending lawless ideological oligarchy. Not good.kairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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Realtd @ 230- Google is your friend: Start with NIH fact sheet on zinc Zinc and SARS?CoV?2: A molecular modeling study of Zn interactions with RNA?dependent RNA?polymerase and 3C?like proteinase enzymes enjoyET_{May 17, 2022
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Jerry, straightforward physics. KFkairosfocus_{May 17, 2022
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Fred Hickson:
ID seems to perceive a conflict with science and evolutionary theory in particular that doesn’t exist for me.
There isn't any scientific theory of evolution. Evolution by means of blind and mindless processes is untestable nonsense unless you are discussing genetic diseases and deformities.ET_{May 17, 2022
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Related What? Raise a sensible point and I'll try find time to respond.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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SA, I have a sense of humor (what ID skeptic posting here wouldn't?) but that comment was perfectly serious. ID seems to perceive a conflict with science and evolutionary theory in particular that doesn't exist for me. God the Designer doesn't need puny ID.Fred Hickson_{May 17, 2022
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