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Chromatin Topology: the New (and Latest) Functional Complexity

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There’s a paper out in Nature Genetics discussing “chromatin topology.” Here’s the abstract:

A long-standing question in gene regulation is how remote enhancers communicate with their target promoters, and specifically how chromatin topology dynamically relates to gene activation. Here, we combine genome editing and multi-color live imaging to simultaneously visualize physical enhancer–promoter interaction and transcription at the single-cell level in Drosophila embryos. By examining transcriptional activation of a reporter by the endogenous even-skipped enhancers, which are located 150 kb away, we identify three distinct topological conformation states and measure their transition kinetics. We show that sustained proximity of the enhancer to its target is required for activation. Transcription in turn affects the three-dimensional topology as it enhances the temporal stability of the proximal conformation and is associated with further spatial compaction. Furthermore, the facilitated long-range activation results in transcriptional competition at the locus, causing corresponding developmental defects. Our approach offers quantitative insight into the spatial and temporal determinants of long-range gene regulation and their implications for cellular fates.

This is rather stunning stuff since what they are essentially saying is that the protein wrapping of DNA, the chromatin, is somehow functionally arranged, and that two distant sites on DNA (located 150,000 bases away from each other) NEED to come into contact for enhanced transcriptional activity. And, in the italicized section, they’re saying this comes about because the ‘needed’ conformation is somehow ‘stabilized,’ which means that the overall energy configuration of the local DNA molecule is lowered when put into this ‘conformation.’ (Oh how biochemists would love to be able to do such things!)

This only adds to the complexity of organisms to function properly and leaves in shambles the thought that all of these new layers of complexity came about by some “random” process.

I could post articles like this every day. I don’t because “News” does a good job of it, and over at Evolution and News, serious treatment of the more consequential articles routinely appear.

I cannot understand how any rational human being, aware of all this level of complexity, could possibly maintain a Darwinist, neo-Darwinist, or any other putative evolutionary (random) mechanism explains such orderliness and machine-like functioning.

We’re a long ways from thinking that ovum are just a bunch of goo. And yet . . . .

A related news item: Here.

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Of related note to topology in general, Reductive materialistic, i.e. Darwinian, explanations are grossly inadequate for trying to explain how any particular protein (or organism) might achieve its basic form:
Darwinism vs Biological Form - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyNzNPgjM4w
This failure of reductive materialistic explanations occurs at a very low level, much lower than DNA and proteins, In the following article entitled 'Quantum physics problem proved unsolvable', which studied the derivation of macroscopic properties from a complete microscopic description, the researchers remark that even a perfect and complete description of the microscopic properties of a material is not enough to predict its macroscopic behaviour.,,, The researchers further commented that their findings challenge the reductionists' point of view, as the insurmountable difficulty lies precisely in the derivation of macroscopic properties from a microscopic description."
Quantum physics problem proved unsolvable: Gödel and Turing enter quantum physics - December 9, 2015 Excerpt: A mathematical problem underlying fundamental questions in particle and quantum physics is provably unsolvable,,, It is the first major problem in physics for which such a fundamental limitation could be proven. The findings are important because they show that even a perfect and complete description of the microscopic properties of a material is not enough to predict its macroscopic behaviour.,,, "We knew about the possibility of problems that are undecidable in principle since the works of Turing and Gödel in the 1930s," added Co-author Professor Michael Wolf from Technical University of Munich. "So far, however, this only concerned the very abstract corners of theoretical computer science and mathematical logic. No one had seriously contemplated this as a possibility right in the heart of theoretical physics before. But our results change this picture. From a more philosophical perspective, they also challenge the reductionists' point of view, as the insurmountable difficulty lies precisely in the derivation of macroscopic properties from a microscopic description." http://phys.org/news/2015-12-quantum-physics-problem-unsolvable-godel.html
I have a feeling that Gödel would be very pleased with the preceding result:
Conservation of information, evolution, etc - Sept. 30, 2014 Excerpt: Kurt Gödel’s logical objection to Darwinian evolution: "The formation in geological time of the human body by the laws of physics (or any other laws of similar nature), starting from a random distribution of elementary particles and the field is as unlikely as the separation of the atmosphere into its components. The complexity of the living things has to be present within the material [from which they are derived] or in the laws [governing their formation]." Gödel - As quoted in H. Wang. “On `computabilism’ and physicalism: Some Problems.” in Nature’s Imagination, J. Cornwall, Ed, pp.161-189, Oxford University Press (1995). Gödel’s argument is that if evolution is unfolding from an initial state by mathematical laws of physics, it cannot generate any information not inherent from the start – and in his view, neither the primaeval environment nor the laws are information-rich enough.,,, More recently this led him (Dembski) to postulate a Law of Conservation of Information, or actually to consolidate the idea, first put forward by Nobel-prizewinner Peter Medawar in the 1980s. Medawar had shown, as others before him, that in mathematical and computational operations, no new information can be created, but new findings are always implicit in the original starting points – laws and axioms.,,, http://potiphar.jongarvey.co.uk/2014/09/30/conservation-of-information-evolution-etc/
bornagain77
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Mung:
You have not demonstrated that it could not possibly have come about by numerous slight successive modifications.
No one has demonstrated that it could possibly have come about by numerous slight successive modifications. Until then there is nothing to refute.ET
July 23, 2018
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My dear PaV. You have not demonstrated that it could not possibly have come about by numerous slight successive modifications.Mung
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