Clips of Our Fearless Leaders in Expelled

_{April 8, 2008

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It's not harassment; it's the owners of a legitimate copyright using their full legal rights to make an illegal (not to mention immoral) copyright infringer and plagiarist cease and desist immediately. Stealing someone else's intellectual property is known to most intelligent people as "theft", and most upright citizens consider theft to be immoral, as well as criminal.Allen_MacNeill_{April 9, 2008
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The date for the blog post with the full text of the letter is TODAY, not November 27, 2007. Here is the link: http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2008/04/expelled-expelled-for-plagiarism.htmlAllen_MacNeill_{April 9, 2008
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BTW, my reply on the thread was:
Interesting. Because the date on the blog post sads404 linked, above, is November 20, 2007. And except for the title of that particular post, the accusations about the video appear to have nothing to do with the movie. FYI, here's William Dembski's discussion of the issue, dated November 27, 2007, in which he claims the allegations made were false. Evidently he used the video as part of PowerPoint presentations to live audiences. Again, nothing to do with the movie. What's your source for the letter? Got a link?
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Off topic a little bit: There's an unsourced copy of a letter circulating on the Internet (hopefully this link will work without a sign-in) that claims Expelled is being accused of copyright infringement by XVIVO LLC. Didn't Dr. Dembski put this to bed months ago? Here's the text of the alleged letter from a post on Ann Coulter Official Chat:
Re: Copyright infringement in "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" Dear Mr. •••••: This letter will constitute notice to you, as Chairman of Premise Media Corporation, of the copyright infringement by your corporation, and its subsidiary, Rampant Films, of material produced by XVIVO LLC, in which XVIVO holds a copyright. It has come to our intention that Premise Media and Rampant Films has produced a film entitled "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed," which is scheduled for commercial release and distribution on April 18, 2008. To our knowledge, this film includes a segment depicting biological cellular activity that was copied by computer-generated means from a video entitled "The Inner Life of a Cell." XVIVO holds the copyright to all the models, processes, and depictions in this video, and has not authorized Premise Media or Rampant Films to make any use of this material. We have obtained promotional material for the "Expelled" film, presented on a DVD, that clearly shows in the "cell segment" the virtually identical depiction of material from the "Inner Life" video. We particularly refer to the segment of the "Expelled" film purporting to show the "walking" models of kinesic activities in cellular mechanisms. The segments depicting these models in your film are clearly based upon, and copied from, material in the "Inner Life" video. We have been advised by counsel that this segment in your film constitutes an actionable infringement of XVIVO's intellectual property rights, as protected by federal statutes, including Section 106 of the Copyright Act, the Visual Artists Rights Act of 1990, and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 1998. Each of these statutes provides for judicial enforcement of their provisions, with substantial civil penalties for their infringement. We have also obtained legal advice that your copying, in virtually identical form, of material in the "inner Life" video clearly meets the legal test of "substantial similarity" between the copied work and our original work. This letter will also serve as notice to you that XVIVO intends to vigorously and promptly pursue its legal remedies for your copyright infringement, unless and until Premise Media, Rampant Films, and their officers, employees, and agents comply with the following demands: 1. That Premise Media, Rampant Films, and its officers, employees, and agents remove the infringing segment from all copies of the "Expelled" film prior to its scheduled commercial release on or before April 18, 2008; 2. That all copies of the "Inner Life" video in your possession or under your control be returned to XVIVO; 3. That Premise Media notify XVIVO, on or before April 18, 2008, of its compliance with the above demands. We have been advised, by a telephone conversation with Mellie Bracewell of Premise Media on April 8, 2008, that an e-mail transmission of this letter to her will be promptly forwarded to you. A hard copy of this letter, on XVIVO stationary, will also be sent to you today by express delivery. We are sure that you will want to avoid legal action in this matter, and urge you to promptly notify us of your compliance with the above demands. You may do so by return e-mail, directed to david@••• or mike@•••, followed by a hard-copied letter indicating your compliance with the above demands. Sincerely, David Bolinsky Partner and Medical Director XVIVO LLC Michael Astrachan Partner and Creative Director XVIVO LLC Cc: Peter Irons, Esq. Attorney at Law 2551 North Valley Road Greenville CA 95947
I wonder what this is? A hoax? More harassment?jstanley01_{April 9, 2008
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I don't know if anyone is still watching this thread, but Premise Media has just been slapped with a "cease and desist" letter from XVIVO, the group at Harvard that produced the video clips from which the still images at the top of this thread were taken. They are alleging copyright infringement (not to mention blatant plagiarism). The full text of the letter from XVIVO's lawyers can be read at: http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2008/04/expelled-expelled-for-plagiarism.html The letter makes it clear that if the offending video clips are not removed from the film and all promotional materials by the opening date, immediate legal action will be taken to stop the release of the film. I'm curious; isn't there a commandment about stealing in there somewhere? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? P.S. It might be a good idea to remove the still pictures at the top of this thread, too. You never know...Allen_MacNeill_{April 9, 2008
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bfast, The article was there. I was just commenting on Expelled using articles about evolution to advertise the movie and not using search engines.jerry_{April 9, 2008
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And just to expand on the point above, I think that with all of the dirty politics that is going on (the hiring and firing over) over people's doubts about Darwin or belief in ID- this movie could not be more timely. Where is the ACLU screaming that people have "a human right" to peruse science and education from an honest perspective without their beliefs being discriminated against by another belief system such is the materialistic theory of evolution which doesn’t explain a lick of positive information or mutation- only concedes that its there.Frost122585_{April 9, 2008
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The videos are gone.Frost122585_{April 9, 2008
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The movie just looks great. It is really exciting and special to see all of the things that we blog about here daily at the site come to life in the mainstream. It feels good to be a part of this even if I/we here at the site provide just a tiny fraction of the contribution that the movement is getting.Frost122585_{April 9, 2008
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jerry, "The link bfast provided had some google adwords advertising on it" Is that all that was on it, because I get an article, "Scientists find a fingerprint of evolution across the human genome" which presents that fully 1/3 of human DNA shows evidence of preservation, so presumably function. This is vastly more than the 1.5% that codes to protein.bFast_{April 8, 2008
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The link bfast provided had some google adwords advertising on it and the first link was for Expelled. So they are advertising on the google content area (regular web pages.) They did not appear on searches of evolution and intelligent design in a google search so they do not appear to be advertising on searches. Also Rush Limbaugh spent about 10 minutes on Expelled and Darwinism today and had a religious Darwinist call in to him. He calls Dawkins, Hawkins so he is not familiar with Sir Richard.jerry_{April 8, 2008
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and every clip that I see keeps getting beter and better.Frost122585_{April 8, 2008
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You know I cant believe I am saying this but this might well be one of the most powerful movies ever. The atheistic Darwinian world view is so closely related to all of the evil ideologies and yet so far from faith that this movie is really ground breaking on the mainstream scale. I mean they say that Platoon or Saving Private Ryan was powerful but this movie touches the world in a very different and imminent way.Frost122585_{April 8, 2008
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Great finds DD.Frost122585_{April 8, 2008
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Check this out. POWERFUL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgH7C2TrHZ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boZwOWv8nlYDeepDesign_{April 8, 2008
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I found another article which shows that much of the DNA that has been labeled "junk" is being brought into the fold of important. http://www.physorg.com/news126893405.htmlbFast_{April 8, 2008
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I second that the Borg ship is a good analogy. "Dr. Berlinki catches me off guard with a lot of what he says. Always interesting." He is a character, indeed.DeepDesign_{April 8, 2008
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Perhaps something more analogous to a ‘Buick’ might be space shuttle. (Or more appropriately, a BORG ship.)
The Borg ship is a good analogy. His "galaxy" comment caught me off guard...but then again, Dr. Berlinki catches me off guard with a lot of what he says. Always interesting.Atom_{April 8, 2008
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"A Galaxy???" There is nothing man made that would compare unless you want to say a major city. Back in Darwin's day, spontaneous generation out of spoiled food was considered a possible source of life and the cell was a mass of goo. The cell as making up the body of a live organism was only understood a couple decades before "The Origin of Species."jerry_{April 8, 2008
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A Galaxy??? I suppose he was trying to think of the BIGGEST thing he could, but that certainly doesn't make it the most complex. He might as well have said a whirlpool or tornado. Perhaps something more analogous to a 'Buick' might be space shuttle. (Or more appropriately, a BORG ship.)Graceout_{April 8, 2008
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I probably shouldn't reveal too much personal information as I have chosen to use "Deep Design" as my blog name. Want to point out though that I am very proud ( I am half Jewish), that we have three incredibly intelligent and well spoken men of Jewish background involved in this project. Especially because of the Darwin-Holocaust connection.DeepDesign_{April 8, 2008
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This singular entity is going to do much for the cause. Thank you to all who participated in bringing this to "life".Gods iPod_{April 8, 2008
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I am very pleased to see that Schroeder made the movie. His books are some of my favorites and his work is well worthy of being held up with the other icons of ID like Dembski, Behe, Meyers, Wells etc... Schroeder is also comming out with a new book maybe in the fall caled "God according to God" which will be about an interpretation of the bible regarding issues of faith and how it asks of us t live. Stephen Meyers is alos comming out with a new book called "The DNA Enigma."- which is obviously a look at the complexity and structure of information in DNA. Cant wait for them both.Frost122585_{April 8, 2008
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Dr. Berlinski seems to feel more comforable discussing design with Mr. Stein.DeepDesign_{April 8, 2008
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yup that's a "P"- Dem(p)ski.Frost122585_{April 8, 2008
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Maybe my eyes are bad at 5:30 in the morning, but on the second clip, at Dr. Dembski's appearance, some type appeared in the lower right corner which identified Dr. Dembski. But it looked to me like they misspelled his name! "Dempski" is what I saw. The first clip didn't contain this error. I hope the 2nd clip wasn't actually used as-is in the final cut. That would be rather embarrassing. Regardless, I'm anxious to see the film.TRoutMac_{April 8, 2008
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Thanks for the HT, Dave...FtK_{April 8, 2008
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Thanks for the great clips Dave. I am glad to see Bill has made it on the big screen. Bill now you are a staaaaaaaaaarrr.Frost122585_{April 8, 2008
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Now DaveScot, you know it was funny in clip 2 when Stein asked Berlinski what he would compare the cell's complexity to and he said "A Galaxy!" HAHAHA! He just said the most complex thing he could think of in 2 secs and he was slouching so bad in his chair. That to me was hilarious.Frost122585_{April 8, 2008
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