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When I first turned to read Edward Rothstein’s account in the New York Times’ Arts section of the just-opened creation museum at Petersburg, Kentucky, I gritted my teeth in advance.

I have little use for creation museums, but way, way less use for self-regarding, overaged art twerps who pretend superiority to millions of people who do real jobs for a living. So, I thought, Die. Twerp. Die. Before the cat gets you.

Well, I was overreacting, I am glad to say! Rothstein’s review is thoughtful and his reflections are of genuine use to those who want some idea of what they might see at a creation museum – and how it differs from a Church of Darwin museum:

The Creation Museum actually stands the natural history museum on its head. Natural history museums developed out of the Enlightenment: encyclopedic collections of natural objects were made subject to ever more searching forms of inquiry and organization. The natural history museum gave order to the natural world, taming its seeming chaos with the principles of human reason. And Darwin’s theory — which gave life a compelling order in time as well as space — became central to its purpose. Put on display was the prehistory of civilization, seeming to allude not just to the evolution of species but also cultures (which is why “primitive” cultures were long part of its domain). The natural history museum is a hall of human origins.

The Creation Museum has a similar interest in dramatizing origins, but sees natural history as divine history. And now that many museums have also become temples to various American ethnic and sociological groups, why not a museum for the millions who believe that the Earth is less than 6,000 years old and was created in six days?

Rothstein, a good multiculturalist, makes clear that, if you grant the premises of multiculturalism, the creationists are as entitled to tell their own story using their own funds as any other cultural group. (Incidentally, Darwinist museums receive considerable public funds, which creates an interesting conundrum when so many Darwinists treat their convictions as an anti-theistic religion.)

And, if you are not a frothing Darwinist, it is not always clear who is right:

Nature here is not “red in tooth and claw,” as Tennyson asserted. In fact at first it seems almost as genteel as Eden’s dinosaurs. We learn that chameleons, for example, change colors not because that serves as a survival mechanism, but “to ‘talk’ to other chameleons, to show off their mood, and to adjust to heat and light.”

The creationists could well be right about the chameleons. Darwinian theory needs the colour change to be a survival mechanism and interprets just about everything in that light. The chameleon itself may not have any such need. If you think that everything about life forms exists in some relation to a survival mechanism, you have spent too much time among Darwinists.

One thing that Rothstein’s review illustrates is the way in which popular American evangelical culture has become technically mainstream and innovative – and that’s not typically a sign of weakness:

Whether you are willing to grant the premises of this museum almost becomes irrelevant as you are drawn into its mixture of spectacle and narrative. Its 60,000 square feet of exhibits are often stunningly designed by Patrick Marsh, who, like the entire museum staff, declares adherence to the ministry’s views; he evidently also knows the lure of secular sensations, since he designed the “Jaws” and “King Kong” attractions at Universal Studios in Florida.

Well, the museum, a short drive from the Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky Airport, hopes for a quarter of a million visitors a year. We’ll see.

Also, at the Post-Darwinist:

Would Francis Crick be allowed to speculate on extraterrestrial origin of life today? Interesting comment from Beast Rabban. By the way, does anyone know who Beast Rabban is, and if he is really a beast? Of what type? Social or antisocial? He has obviously put a lot of thought into the ID controversy.

At the Mindful Hack:

Fruit flies and free will – and now hornets: Insects triumph over mechanistic interpretations

Why you do NOT need to be a creationist to disbelieve in evolutionary psychology. Common sense will do just fine.

Comments
I find it interesting that Darwinists will automatically dismiss an established scientists work because of YEC beliefs. For me the example of Dr. J.C. Sanford is a prominent example. Though his work on Genetic Entropy (a field where he has few peers of his caliber) is absolutely crushing to the evolutionary theory, the evolutionists always use his YEC views to dismiss his specialty in genetics. (they did this in the Kansas trial I believe) For me, not being expert in the details, it looks like the fact God created in 6 long periods, rather than 6 24 hour periods, to be a slam dunk. Indeed why would God instantaneously create something with the appearance of extremely old age. This would seem like deception. and, as we all know from childhood, God does not lie!bornagain77
May 29, 2007
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does anyone know who Beast Rabban is, and if he is really a beast? Of what type? Social or antisocial? He has obviously put a lot of thought into the ID controversy. Denise: Indeed he has. And will continue to do so. Beast Rabban is from the UK and writes guest articles for JP Holdings site, Tektonics, as well as the Atheism Sucks blog. He is not a beastly persona, but you might get slashed if you're a fundy atheist. I got permission from him through a mutual contact for posting one of his devastating critiques of Richard Dawkins. He is difficult to shake down in person or email. The Beast is either someone who knows Biblical scholarship and say, the entire history of Church dealings with science back and forth or has much spare time on his hands to lay claim to such. Richard Dawkins may know science, but he looks like a child fiddling with crayloa crayons when pondering the nature of God and Church and the interrelations of these to science. http://wakepedia.blogspot.com/2007/05/mock-of-beast.htmlS Wakefield Tolbert
May 29, 2007
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SCheesman, Post your thoughts the open thread at YoungCosmos. Things are a bit unstructured there for now but not for ever, God willing. So please post. When things get better, we can cut and paste an link. I welcome reasoned criticisms of YEC theory.scordova
May 29, 2007
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SCordova: "We do see time dilation for supernovae. The farther the supernova, the more slow motion we see. Exactly as Setterfield theory would suggest." Hi Sal. Actually, its not exactly at all. If you do the math the factor is not a few percent different, it's more like a million percent different when you get a couple of million light years away. How much observed history can you see if the light that is arriving is only 4-5 hours after the creation of the universe (which is what the math tells you when you integrate the change in velocity by the path travelled going backwards in time)? I've joined the YoungCosmos web site, and would be glad to send you the original paper I wrote on this, including the math, if you send me an e-mail address... you should be able to get it from this blog or from Denyse.SCheesman
May 29, 2007
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Getting back to the original topic, one aspect lacking from both the Creationist and Darwinist museum approaches is the thesis of the Privileged Planet, since many of the arguments rely on old-earth cosmology with design implications. The YEC approach loses entirely all arguments based on nucleosynthesis, galactic expansion, or our galactic orbit, not to mention the origin of the moon, radioactivity in the earth etc. An ID-based museum would involve some heavy re-labelling, but you wouldn't have to move the whole dinosaur section beside the pre-historic arts and crafts.SCheesman
May 29, 2007
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the slowing of observed history climbs to a factor of a thousand or more at galactic distances. By this rule, events in the Andromeda galaxy should appear to be appeared to be slowed down by a factor of a hundred thousand, and in fact nothing we see from there would have happened more than 5-10 years after the creation.
We do see time dilation for supernovae. The farther the supernova, the more slow motion we see. Exactly as Setterfield theory would suggest. Unfortunately, this is also explainable by Lorentz-Einstein transformation as predicted by the Big Bang. Outcome: stalemate between Setterfield and Big Bang on that point. I would like to remind the reader that I am building a Website so we can have these discussions. Anyone with technical web/blog building ability, I would welcome your help. Please visit www.YoungCosmos.com there is thread there on webmechanics. I now have time to devote to this project after being off of it for 4 months. Please let me know if you can assist in this project. We can have quite a lot of fun with this website/blog. By the way, AiG is negative on Setterfield. A question has been fielded as to wether the DI should criticize AiG. I'm a YEC (85% anyway) and I'll criticize AiG. Let's get the website going so we can start discussing interesting issues. Salvadorscordova
May 29, 2007
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Atom, "For me, I am inclined to a Setterfield type young earth, with a slowing speed of light." A guy like me, who has no commitment to *any* sort of model whatsoever, is puzzled by, what I consider, rather stained attemped to rationalize a particular interpretation of a 3000 year old document. A friend of mine zealously believes in the gap theory, that the current order was indeed formed in 6 24-hour periods, but that there was another age prior to the current, where all the dinos lived, and what was , in effect, a sort of trial and error period for the proximate creators to get their stuff just right. I find his view just as plausible than the fundy view that says dinos walked in Eden with the naked couple. And why not? The text itself neither promotes nor forbids such a view. Why be dogmatic? Nobody here was there to see what really happened. The Bible is obviously silence. Why can't the fundies be silent also?mike1962
May 29, 2007
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Interesting points SCheeseman.
If you drop objects at a rate of one per second onto a fast-moving conveyor belt
I am not well-versed in astro-physics or cosmology (hence, my sticking to a belief formed mostly by faith in this special case) but I do believe that the rates of radioactive decay and photon emission are also considered by the Setterfield model, which would tie into your constant "one per second" type of assumption and dilemma. Sal posted an overview at youngcosmos.com that might be worth checking out. I don't have the physics acumen to be dogmatically convinced either way, so these just represent my leanings and hunches.Atom
May 29, 2007
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I just looked at my notes again, and, using the sec^2(kt) formula suggested by Barry Setterfield for the slow-down in light speed (beginning at infinite speed for the moment of creation, and with k = pi/2/(12000 yrs), then the light we see now from the Andromeda galaxy would have been emitted just 4.5 hours after the moment of creation! Changing the formula doesn't produce a qualitatively better solution.SCheesman
May 29, 2007
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Atom: "I am inclined to a Setterfield type young earth, with a slowing speed of light." I thought about this a fair bit about ten years ago, and realized the slowing speed of light explanation has a problem I've not seen discussed elsewhere. Let's assume that this really were a 10000 year-old universe, on the order of 10 billion light-years to the most distant galaxies (a distance that has not changed appreciably since creation) and the light we see from those galaxies is not part of the creation event (e.g. what we see records real events that occurred post-creation, not history created out of nothing in transit). In order for the light to be seen by us now, it would have had to make most of its journey at a time when the speed of light was considerably faster, and it has slowed down in transit. However, there is an apparent "time dilation affect" (not related to relativity) that is equal to the ratio of the speed of light now to the speed of light when the event occurred, because we are "playing back the tape" so to speak, at a much slower rate than when it was created. This has nothing to do with the frequency of the light. If you drop objects at a rate of one per second onto a fast-moving conveyor belt, then slow down the belt, the objects go by you much more slowly than once per second. Clocks observed from far away should appear to run slower. Using any formula you want for the change in the speed of light over time since creation, you have the same problem: the slowing of observed history climbs to a factor of a thousand or more at galactic distances. By this rule, events in the Andromeda galaxy should appear to be appeared to be slowed down by a factor of a hundred thousand, and in fact nothing we see from there would have happened more than 5-10 years after the creation.SCheesman
May 29, 2007
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Atom, I think you and I are roughly on the same page and I appreciate your weighing in. Your ICR citation might refer to the RATE project, and I have a DVD produced by them which appears to do a good job of explaining the issues and winds up using helium as a clock, which gets them to a 6000 year old Earth. I forget exactly how… my brain isn't quite in that mode right now. Again, I must constantly remind myself that evidence doesn't equal proof. The thing that puzzles me about the starlight arguments, and I'd love to see some comments about this, is that those arguments appear to rely on a constant speed of light. (you mentioned Setterfield's ideas about a slowing speed of light) Well, speed relates to movement compared with TIME. Now it's my understanding that Einstein's theory found that time elapses at a different rate depending upon how far you are from a source of gravity. If I've misunderstood that, I apologize. It's also my understanding that this is widely accepted and supported. So my question is this: if we can look at light from a given star and say that the light from that star took x-million years to get here, how can we know that if time elapses at different rates all along the path that light takes, according to how near or far that path is from a source of gravity? This may seem like an ignorant question… I hope it doesn't, but I'm prepared to learn that it is. But that would seem, on the surface, to make it impossible to calculate how long that light took to get here… doesn't it? Doesn't that render the starlight argument moot? If not, why not? Again, what am I missing? I mean, sure… maybe it's true and reasonable that the speed of light has always been 186,000 miles per second. But if the length of a second changes as you pass through deep space, far removed from any gravity source, then of what use is it to say that light travels at 186,000 miles per second? Thanks again.TRoutMac
May 29, 2007
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Additional caveat: I can also see an implied gap of unspecified duration between the creation of the cosmos and of life on earth. I guess I can sum up by saying I believe in a distinct creation of man, a literal Adam and Eve, and a YEC view from Adam onward. What happened before then I am more agnostic on.Atom
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TRoutMac, On the Old Earth side, I think the point was once brought up about super novae and how G-d would have had to create the universe with in-transit light from events that never happened. To me, this is a good point and although I could point out several answers to this challenge, none of them are elegant enough to not appear ad hoc to me. On the YE side, I see the point of Lee Spetner, who discussed Rabbis who came to the conclusion that Torah taught a non-infinitely aged universe even when the best scientific consensus had overwhelming evidence for an infinitely aged universe. They saw that the best science came to the wrong conclusion, and so rather than conform their theology to the "facts" as many Aristotelean Christians did, they simply rejected an infinitely aged universe based on principle. And in doing so, they were eventually vindicated. If they had "adapted", they would have had to been corrected a second time. Also, there was at least one peer-reviewed article from ICR (I believe) that made an actual prediction on gas deposits in a certain crystal based on a 6000yr model, and the data actually aligned with their prediction. Not a lot to go on, but progress. For me, I am inclined to a Setterfield type young earth, with a slowing speed of light. My belief in a young earth is very tentative, and is mostly due to faith rather than facts. I simply trust that the Tanakh isn't misleading on that point; we'll see if I'm wrong or proved right in the end.Atom
May 29, 2007
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O'Leary wrote: "Why you do NOT need to be a creationist to disbelieve in evolutionary psychology. Common sense will do just fine." In a few of the comments I've left on this blog, I've admitted that I have precious little, if any, education in the sciences. I'm a graphic artist, fer cryin' out loud. So let me re-iterate that and you all can take the balance of my comments for whatever they're worth. And that might not be much. It seems to me that the biggest barrier between creationists and the majority of IDers is the question of the age of the universe. That and the fact that IDers don't get their start from Biblical text. It also seems to me that occasionally at least, some supporters of ID seem to look down their noses at creationists, and this seems to manifest itself in what seems to me to be derogatory remarks regarding creationists' belief in a young Earth. And I took a couple of Denyse O'Leary's comments as very gentle examples of that. The quote above, for example, could be taken to imply that creationists don't employ common sense. (Please forgive me, Ms. O'Leary, if that's not what you meant) Now, I tend to believe--or at least for the time being I have no difficulty believing--in a young Earth. And I find it quite sensible to think that a God who can design and create an entire universe from nothing could do it in a blink of an eye just as easily as He could do it in a billion years. Therefore I also have no problem believing He could do it in 6 days. And I assume that IDers who are also theists would agree with me on that basic point, as long as they understand, as I do, that this doesn't necessarily mean He actually DID create the universe in 6 days. Now I'm generally aware of some arguments for an old Earth. Starlight and the speed of light, radiometric dating, etc. And I'm also aware that many, even the vast majority of the most visible, credible ID proponents believe in an old Earth. It's my understanding that Dr. Dembski is one such example. Michael Behe, Stephen Meyer and Jonathan Wells also come to mind. And given these folks' contributions and extraordinary clear-thinking with regard to the ID/Darwinism debate, I tend to give their opinions about such matters a lot of weight. I figure that if these folks are not willing to fall for Darwinism just because other scientists do, they're not likely to "fall for" an old Earth either unless there really is credible, reasonable evidence to support it. I'm also aware of several lines of arguments that claim to reconcile an old Earth with Biblical text. And so I persist in my tendency to accept a young Earth with great caution… fortunately for all of us, in the end it probably doesn't matter much except that we would all like to know. Why do I persist, cautiously or otherwise? I suppose the safest way to express it is this: because I realize that evidence doesn't equal PROOF. I also realize that while extrapolations may be reasonable and may be based on reasonable assumptions, they're not the same as BEING THERE. Our instruments only measure what's happening here and NOW. If I look at the thermometer on the front porch, it only tells me what the temperature is NOW. It doesn't tell me what the temperature was 15 minutes ago. If my thermometer was there 15 minutes ago and I looked at it then and recorded it, that's a different story. But looking at it NOW can't tell me how hot it was THEN. Is that not common sense? I'm also buoyed somewhat by some of what appear to be evidences for a young Earth. (again, evidence doesn't equal proof) I guess if I have a question here, it's this: For those of you who are convinced in an old Earth, what is it that convinces you? And please don't take that as an obstinate challenge… I'm genuinely looking for the answer. What is it that I'm missing? Thank you all.TRoutMac
May 29, 2007
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Throwing out a serious question for discussion relating to the post: What are the chances of the Discovery Institute making a statement on the creation museum, e.g. that they differ with AiG's approach to science and point out that some of their exibits significantly contrast with the scientific consensus??antg
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...stunningly designed by Patrick Marsh...
The difference between creationism and ID - creationists are willing to identify the designer;-)antg
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"Darwinian theory needs the colour change to be a survival mechanism and interprets just about everything in that light." I find the whole "survival for survival's sake" world view to be extremely narrow-minded. Not to mention dull, boring and useless. Why should we survive in a nature that is completely indifferent to man and without ultimate purpose? There is no answer from the materialists on that question. If surviving is all there is (and to say that we survive to propagate our genes is merely a different way of saying the same), then what a joke life is. All our illusions of purpose, even "proximate purpose" as Provine says, are still just illusions in the end. Strangely enough, psychology teaches that people who are living in an illusion (who believe that life's design and purpose are an illusion) and yet act as though it were not an illusion, are mentally ill. So, atheistic Darwinism leads to mental illness! Howbeit, of a socially acceptable form since if you don't agree with this view of life you are supposed to be the mentally ill one according to the materialists! Very strange indeed. When you think about it that explains a lot. It explains why Dawkins and all the rest of the materialists write books they obviously believe have some ultimate purpose. They act as though there is real purpose all while denying it. It's called insanity in any other domain but philo and methodological naturalism. "Common sense will do just fine." Absolutely. Meaning that Darwinists either don't use or don't have much of that.Borne
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