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Creationist anti-ID bumper stickers?

William Dembski
May 19, 2006
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A student of mine heard second-hand about anti-ID bumper stickers being handed out at a creationism conference. Unfortunately, my student didn’t have any details. Does anyone have any information about this conference or the actual statement on the bumper stickers?

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"It has been my experience that IDers are much more interested in gaining distance from YECs than vice versa. Comment by bevets — May 19, 2006 @ 7:47 pm" They have to do this because neo-Darwinists constantly conflate ID with YEC. I don't think it's personal or a slam on Creationism. But IDers can't defend ID if they are not even allowed to define what their theory is (as in something different than YEC).russ
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sandlapper@1 "But shouldn’t the creationist (YEC) crowd be trully against the ID movement? ID fully supports Geology, etc.. and Creationism doesn’t." Creation Science accepts geology. There are Creation geologists who are happy in doing good science and being good Creationists. What Creationists don't agree with is with the dominant geological interpretation. Creationists say that geology makes much sence in the Light of Divine Revelation (Genesis).Mats
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Why not hear the perspective of a young-earth creationist first-hand? I am one. Generally speaking, creationist like to stay in their own camp because they have a larger goal than refuting evolution--they want to demonstrate that the Bible is accurate and can be trusted as truth. This goes further than design vs. evolution and further than "science" into the realms of history, philosophy, and even practical living. The term "creationism" simply defines the scientific position on origins of these (us) biblicists. Everyone has the tendency to be distant with those who disagree with them on a fundamental level; since the ID movement doesn't publically promote the Bible or even the Christian God specifically, we feel our mission is definitively different. Design vs. evolution is a surface issue in which we have a mutual goal: Down with Darwin. As far as that mutual goal is concerned, I support ID adherants and their work. I may even lend a hand when I can. But as long as America is free, why shouldn't I follow my beliefs and be creationist?Daniel James Devine
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Check out "Refuting Compromise" by Jonathan Sarfati. My beloved father has presented me with this book to get me back on the straigh and narrow. The heart of the text is that "compromise" is old-earth Creation (a la Hugh Ross) and even worse, ID. I find, however, that the YEC crowd is quite happy to adopt CSI, IC and any other arguemnt if it suits a particular purpose -- the purpose of challenging the lofty position of neo-Darwinism. Bottom line, YECers have little love for ID. Their only love for ID is that ID and YEC have an enemy in common -- NDE.bFast
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It has been my experience that IDers are much more interested in gaining distance from YECs than vice versa.bevets
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what excellent news! (if true). This should help dispel the erroneous notion that ID is creationism repackaged...tinabrewer
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I'm not sure about this particular bumper sticker, but I do know a little about creationist disliking ID advocates. A local pastor in my area think that ID is somehow a "watered down" compromise used to please both Christians and Evolutionists. Many, especially in the fundamentalists community and more particularly in the circles who know nothing of science, think that we should literally use the first few chapters of Genesis to teach science to students in the public school system, and to do anything otherwise is to somehow "kick God out of the classroom" and consequently "God will abandon a country that does that". For a less boligerant summary of the creationist attitude towards ID, go here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/wow/preview/part8.aspdiggnate
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But shouldn't the creationist (YEC) crowd be trully against the ID movement? ID fully supports Geology, etc.. and Creationism doesn't.sandlapper
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