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DEVELOPING, the US Supreme Court reverses Roe v Wade (is it cry havoc?)

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Having returned from a shopping trip to Junction, Jamaica [here for 4x bereavement reasons], I noticed news as captioned. I clip:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/24/supreme-court-overrules-roe-v-wade-in-dobbs/

Supreme Court Overrules Roe v. Wade in Dobbs Decision – Returns Abortion to State Lawmakers

WASHINGTON, DC – The Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade on Friday, holding in the Dobbs case that the Constitution does not include a right to abortion and returning the issue of abortion laws and regulations to state legislatures.

Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the Supreme Court in Friday’s 5-4 [–> 6-3] decision:

>>Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return the authority to the people and their elected representatives.>>

Roe was handed down in 1973 in a 7-2 decision, holding that the U.S. Constitution includes a constitutional right to abortion, despite the fact that abortion is not found in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution, and the nation went more than 180 years without ever noticing it existed. It has been one of the most divisive legal issues in American history.

An early draft of Alito’s opinion leaked in May, the first such leak of a full opinion in the 233-year history of the Supreme Court, leading the left to violent protests, including destroying a pro-life center in Wisconsin, vandalizing churches, and threatening protests at the home of conservatives justices in violation of federal law.

These threats have culminated in what was almost an assassination attempt of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, which went seemingly unnoticed by President Joe Biden – who did not speak out to condemn it – and has led to rapid action on a new federal law to protect the justices. The court majority evidently stood firm against the threats and public pressure, overruling Roe and the later revision of Roe in 1992, Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

With Roe overruled, the issue of abortion now goes back to the states to pass whatever restrictions on abortions the voters of each state choose to adopt.

This is an issue that pivots on life, the first right, and lurking within is, what is law and what may a civil authority legitimately rule as law. DEVELOPING

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This is bizarre, https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1586360298402942983?s=61&t=KdkZ8y-lPirN3haQblJDcg https://twitter.com/kmkirschner/status/1586366698218741761?s=61&t=OMRR87ri44L1A0JCaOjL3w Vividvividbleau
October 29, 2022
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@493 I think there's something to that, but historical explanations always need lots more nuance. We've been living in cities for a few thousand years and in nation-states for a few hundred -- so what's new? What's changed? I can think of two big changes in the past three decades that have really shaped the world as we know it today. One, the rise of the truly global economy. Corporations are trans-national -- they don't have any national affiliations. They span the globe with subsidiaries and contractors everywhere. The interconnctedness of business has been good for lots of people -- as Nobel Prize winning economist Amartya Sen put it, "development is freedom." But the lower income social groups within the Global North see everyone's lives getting better except theirs, and that's going to stoke a lot of resentment. The globalization of capital (and of course of labor) goes together with a shift in where people live. People have lived in cities for maybe 10,000 years at the most, but for most of human history, more people lived outside of cities than inside of them. The globalization of capital has led to a world where more people live in cities than live in rural communities. This is really evident if you drive across the US, coast to coast. Rural communities have just been devastated. People leave, businesses fail, farms are bought by agribusinesses, hospitals close, general stores close, etc. It's just heartbreaking. A consequence of these shifts is that people tend, less and less, to know people with political views who disagree with them. If you're not friends with liberals (or conservatives), and don't even work with any, and there aren't any where you work and live, and all you know about them is what Fox News (or MSNBC) tells you about them, it's a lot harder to see them as fellow citizens and much easier to see them as existential threats to everything you hold dear. The other is the rise of social media and online communities. Social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Tiktok make money by harnessing our emotions and their algorithms are shaped to reward people for clicking over and over again. (It's the main commercial use of the old experiments in how to get a rat addicted to pressing an electric bar.) These platforms make money by dividing us against each other and making us hate each other. We end up forming echo chambers, each with its own sense of reality. UD is a microcosm of this: to the intelligent design supporters, evolutionists just look bonkers -- as if we're just not in touch with reality. And of course intelligent design supporters look the same to evolutionists. That's why we have the same sterile, stale debates every single day, all day -- there's no shared sense of reality that can be used for building consensus. We're more interdependent than ever before and yet more opposed to each other than ever before. It's a recipe for disaster. We've managed to hold on by the skin of our teeth so far. Eventually, something's going to give: an election will be contested, there will public protests, there will be armed supporters on both sides, someone is going to get scared, and a lot of people are going to die.PyrrhoManiac1
October 29, 2022
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SG at 486, My Outrage Meter has been broken for the last few days. You should know that some people are not Pavlov's dog. Meaning trained by the media to respond a certain way to certain events. I have trained myself to ignore these events because they - The Media - are hoping a lot of people will click on this or that. I don't. And if I do, it's long after the initial story appears.relatd
October 29, 2022
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“I don’t know for a fact that he had deeply held conservative political views, “ I think there was some reporting as it relates to QAnon but then there was reporting that he was a nudist Castro protester what ever the heck that means ?Anyway for myself I have found it beneficial to wait a week or so in situations like this, I have found that the first news reports usually are wrong. Vividvividbleau
October 29, 2022
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@494
The nudist activist was a conservative? Conservative what? I don’t know much about the guy so perhaps you are right, time for some research on my part.
I don't know for a fact that he had deeply held conservative political views, but his social media displays concerns with government-sanctioned pedophilia and with massive election fraud. Those are pervasive concerns in some parts of the right-wing culture in the US these days. But he was also (I'm willing to venture) also mentally unwell. That's all I know for now.PyrrhoManiac1
October 29, 2022
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“But when a mentally unwell conservative attacks Pelosi’s husband, it’s a collective yawn from all” The nudist activist was a conservative? Conservative what? I don’t know much about the guy so perhaps you are right, time for some research on my part. Vividvividbleau
October 29, 2022
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I'm wondering if the increasing polarization is a symptom of our burgeoning populations., something we have never had to deal with before. Humanity spent much of its early years living in clan- or tribal- or village-sized social groups. It's what we're adapted to and where we feel most comfortable. It's where we lived close to the leadership and felt we could influence it. As populations have grown exponentially so have the social groups in which we find ourselves and, more significantly, so has the distance between the individual and society's governing bodies. One of the impulses which drove Brexit in the UK was a perception that Brussels was remote, probably corrupt and made up mostly of foreigners who were either indifferent or actively hostile to the British. I have the impression that a lot of Americans feel much the same about Washington. As I see it, there is a tension between those who foresee the need for some sort of world government as the best way to tackle the world's problems on a worldwide basis and those who instinctively feel excluded from the globalist project and prefer, as an alternative, to try and break society down again into more manageable "bite-sized" portions where they feel a greater sense of personal power and influence.Seversky
October 29, 2022
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@491
And here it’s just crickets.
Why would you expect anything else? As Kairosfocus keeps reminding us, the US (and perhaps the whole Western world) is in a Cold Civil War: one side wants to build on the gains made in the 1950s and 1960s, the other side wants to roll them back. No room for consistency when everything is at risk!PyrrhoManiac1
October 29, 2022
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And here it's just crickets.Alan Fox
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@486
I remember outrage here over the peaceful protests outside the SCOTUS residences after RvW was overturned, but I haven’t seen any similar outrage here over the break-in and subsequent assault at Pelosi’s house. Indifference or hypocrisy?
Neither. It's the tribalism into which US politics has descended as a result of massive polarization: what they do is bad, and what we do is good. Consistency in moral principles is a minor casualty. A better analogy with David DePape (the Pelosi home intruder) would be James Hodgkinson, the Sanders supporter who shot Rep. Scalise in Alexandria a few years ago. The key difference is in the reporting and how the media shapes the narrative. Right-wing talk-show hosts were quick to pounce on Scalise's shooting as evidence that the Radical Left is a pack of homicidal maniacs who want to streets to run red with Republican blood. No liberal pundit would ever say the same about DePape. I also think it's crucial to notice that if a mentally unwell Democrat had invaded the home of Kevin McCarthy, critically injuring his partner, the entire country would turn on the Democrats and the Democrats would turn on themselves. In that scenario, it would be obvious that the Democrats would get pummeled in the midterms. But when a mentally unwell conservative attacks Pelosi's husband, it's a collective yawn from all. Even the NYTimes put the story below the fold in today's paper.PyrrhoManiac1
October 29, 2022
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AF: Why not both?
Perhaps. But I wouldn’t rule out selective outrage or willful blindness.Sir Giles
October 29, 2022
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Lucky the restrictions on carrying firearms prevented a worse outcome* (assuming Mr Pelosi makes a full recovery from his fractured skull and other injuries). *Yes, this is irony.Alan Fox
October 29, 2022
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Indifference or hypocrisy?
Why not both?Alan Fox
October 29, 2022
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I remember outrage here over the peaceful protests outside the SCOTUS residences after RvW was overturned, but I haven’t seen any similar outrage here over the break-in and subsequent assault at Pelosi’s house. Indifference or hypocrisy?Sir Giles
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LCD at 482, The Leftist is perfect. Always looking for the less perfect so they can Accuse them. The Left is god. It will cleanse society of all bad things. It will rule forever. Until you find out they're Marxists and that you no longer own anything, just the Marxist state.relatd
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Paxx at 483, Seriously? You missed the shrill fanatics? The WOMAN is to be Worshiped ! She is her own god ! She controls everything ! Even the life growing inside her ! It's OK to kill that life ! I choose life for both.relatd
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As a former fetus, I oppose abortion Having said that, I'm pro choice: give the baby a choicePaxx
July 22, 2022
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Vividbleau JVL I have mentioned this before, you do indeed whine a lot.
:)) Leftist culture. Insecurity. Hate. Always others are to be blamed. They are perfect. What can be said if they think that killing babies is a human right while every word they don't like it's a crime. Word = crime. Killing babies=human right. Man= woman and viceversa(it's enough to think that and become reality) ...and they want to agree with them ? :) What a joke!Lieutenant Commander Data
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JVL I have mentioned this before, you do indeed whine a lot. Vividbleau: Yes let’s stick with two of his despised behaviors, your lying and slander. Vividbleau: What lie? The only lying going on here is by you JVL telling the truth is not over the top commentary. Vividvividbleau
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ET, vulgarity and over the top commentary has been documented. It is counterproductive and out of good order, kindly stop. LCD, please do not set up a broken window.Notice, the result. KF PS, JH has demonstrably spoken with disregard to truth and is speaking in defence of mass slaughter, rooted in thinking that was traced above from Darwin, Spencer and Galton et al through H G Wells [who warned] to one Schicklegruber. The toll is 1,4+ billions, mounting at a million per week, and the rhetoric pivots on dehumanising the unborn child. I responded to him above and that should be recognised.kairosfocus
July 14, 2022
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Kairosfocus: you have been here long enough to know that when I see abuse I will call it out Good. Just for reference then from this thread: ET: That isn’t the behavior I am talking about, dipshit. Why do you think that acting like an infant is a good look for you? LCD: Somebody has mental issues. ET: You are a clueless loser. Today’s reproductive system is NOT the intelligently designed reproductive system. Grow up. LCD: Early embryo is smarter and more conscious than you. Vividbleau: Yes let’s stick with two of his despised behaviors, your lying and slander. Vividbleau: What lie? The only lying going on here is by you. JHolo: So far in this thread I have been called a liar, a racist, a misogynist, a Nazi, a hypocrite, sick, and a misanthropist. All because I share the view of the majority of the citizens of the US, including a significant portion of Christians. Should I continue? I haven't even gone back beyond the early 400's in number of posts.JVL
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JVL, you have been here long enough to know that when I see abuse I will call it out. I have not noticed outright abuse but notify ET that harsh words tend to polarise, though sometimes some are necessary when issues of truth are key, e.g. mass killing, slander, confession by projection, lying, agit prop. The other day I ran across stuff where members of the attack penumbra were trying to lash and deride me for saying the manifest and self declared about Saul Alinsky, author of that handbook of mischief, Rules for Radicals. Yes, he was a neo marxist, cultural marxist in the school coming from Frankfurt, Gramsci et al. Now, his disciples rule the roost and his techniques and related ones from a related Marxist school, critical theory, are turning public discussion utterly toxic. KFkairosfocus
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JH at 468, If you are for permissive abortion you are for allowing babies to die.relatd
July 14, 2022
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Paxx: Do you have a point to make? Or an agenda to push? If so, what?
I just thought it was a very interesting graph and I would like to discuss why the US seems to stand out. I was just hoping that KF or someone would open a new thread on that issue.JHolo
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"Why do you have to be such a jerk when someone asks you honest and sincere questions?" JVL, You poor waif. Welcome to The Internet. We'll try to be nicer. ;) Andrewasauber
July 14, 2022
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ET: Whenever it was. Doubtful Why is it difficult to determine? Not necessarily. It’s just the easiest way. Certainly behaviour can affect culture which affects lots of things that could affect development. That isn’t the behavior I am talking about, dipshit. Why do you think that acting like an infant is a good look for you? Why do you have to be such a jerk when someone asks you honest and sincere questions? If you want people to understand what you are saying and implying and thinking then why aren't you clearer? You have some idea or scheme or hypothesis worked out but you don't reveal it and get angry when people ask questions or make guesses. I really thought that maybe you were thinking that some of our morals and ethics seem so native and constant that perhaps they're programmed into us and that maybe that's how we have evolved (over the last couple of million years at least) because we're making choices about how we behave which could affect our development as a species. There's a logic to that thought. So I asked you about that and you just get abusive. Not that Kairosfocus or anyone else representing the site cares anymore how many times you slag people off or act rudely but I would think that at least you would care to appear to be thoughtful and insightful.JVL
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I think JH should share some images of the array of abortion methods and their results so it can get on the same page as the thinking people here. Andrewasauber
July 14, 2022
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Abortion is killing babies, JHolo.ET
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JVL:
When was that? Before humans existed?
Whenever it was. Doubtful
Okay. So . . . is that how we’re programmed to evolve?
Not necessarily. It's just the easiest way.
Via built-in morals and ethics which guide our behaviour?
That isn't the behavior I am talking about, dipshit. Why do you think that acting like an infant is a good look for you?ET
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ET: With the originally designed organisms. When was that? Before humans existed? Humans can evolve by changing our behavior. We can adapt by changing or behavior. Okay. So . . . is that how we're programmed to evolve? Via built-in morals and ethics which guide our behaviour?JVL
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