DEVELOPING, the US Supreme Court reverses Roe v Wade (is it cry havoc?)

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June 24, 2022

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Having returned from a shopping trip to Junction, Jamaica [here for 4x bereavement reasons], I noticed news as captioned. I clip:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/24/supreme-court-overrules-roe-v-wade-in-dobbs/

Supreme Court Overrules Roe v. Wade in Dobbs Decision – Returns Abortion to State Lawmakers
WASHINGTON, DC – The Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade on Friday, holding in the Dobbs case that the Constitution does not include a right to abortion and returning the issue of abortion laws and regulations to state legislatures.
Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the Supreme Court in Friday’s ~~5-4~~ [–> 6-3] decision:
>>Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return the authority to the people and their elected representatives.>>
Roe was handed down in 1973 in a 7-2 decision, holding that the U.S. Constitution includes a constitutional right to abortion, despite the fact that abortion is not found in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution, and the nation went more than 180 years without ever noticing it existed. It has been one of the most divisive legal issues in American history.
An early draft of Alito’s opinion leaked in May, the first such leak of a full opinion in the 233-year history of the Supreme Court, leading the left to violent protests, including destroying a pro-life center in Wisconsin, vandalizing churches, and threatening protests at the home of conservatives justices in violation of federal law.
These threats have culminated in what was almost an assassination attempt of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, which went seemingly unnoticed by President Joe Biden – who did not speak out to condemn it – and has led to rapid action on a new federal law to protect the justices. The court majority evidently stood firm against the threats and public pressure, overruling Roe and the later revision of Roe in 1992, Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
With Roe overruled, the issue of abortion now goes back to the states to pass whatever restrictions on abortions the voters of each state choose to adopt.

This is an issue that pivots on life, the first right, and lurking within is, what is law and what may a civil authority legitimately rule as law. DEVELOPING

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VB: Oh I dunno maybe the one you posted on ,seems like a hundred times, in another OP?
Sorry. But you must be confusing me with someone else.JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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“I do not understand you. Who has whose children?” The educational system. Companies like Disney. You get them young and indoctrinate them. Hitler once said something like” you may not like my ideology but it doesn’t matter I have your children”Do not underestimate the power of indoctrination. Indeed when the Allie’s invaded Germany the most rabid defenders were the Hitler youth who got the full Monty of indoctrination. Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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Vivid at 315, I do not understand you. Who has whose children?relatd_{June 29, 2022
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JH at 296, It seems you prefer to ignore facts you don't like. You will defend "women" but not men or unborn human beings. Your worldview prevents you from seeing the scientific facts. I sincerely hope that, at some point, you are persuaded that protecting human life from death is the first consideration.relatd_{June 29, 2022
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KF “This is what we have to address and reverse. KF” Correct this is a battle of worldviews and unfortunately our side is losing badly because they have our children. Andrew Breitbart said it well “politics is downstream of culture” The question is what is culture downstream from? It is downstream from worldview, that’s the elephant in the room. Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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22 JHolo April 17, 2022 at 8:12 am Just to remind people that the repercussions of the trucker protest are still ongoing. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/patrick-king-bail-review-april-14-2022-1.6419581
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/truckers-to-government-we-are-not-your-lab-rats-any-more/#comment-751914Silver Asiatic_{June 29, 2022
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“What trucker strike are you referring to? I was not aware that there was one.” Oh I dunno maybe the one you posted on ,seems like a hundred times, in another OP? Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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“Again, was anyone forced to take the vaccine? As far as I know, their choice to be vaccinated or not was never removed from them. “ You are right they were not dragged into a room and forcibly injected they probably just had to do it if they wanted to keep their job. Trudeau’s platform. https://liberal.ca/our-platform/mandatory-vaccination/ Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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VB: Where do you live because when the trucker strike was going on I thought you said you lived in or near Ottawa.
I live in Australia. I was born and raised in Canada but I left over 30 years ago. What trucker strike are you referring to? I was not aware that there was one.JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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VB: “Canadian Government Requires COVID-19 Vaccines for Public Servants…”
Again, was anyone forced to take the vaccine? As far as I know, their choice to be vaccinated or not was never removed from them. Unlike the choice of a woman to have an abortion in many states was last Friday.JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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“I don’t know. I don’t live in Canada” Where do you live because when the trucker strike was going on I thought you said you lived in or near Ottawa. Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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JH, that you have rights is an unproved assertion . . . see the can of worms you are opening up? But, at least we can see on naked public display the corrosion of conscience caused by mass blood guilt. This is what we have to address and reverse. KFkairosfocus_{June 29, 2022
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“Sorry, I read through this and I didn’t see where anyone was forced to take the vaccine.” “Canadian Government Requires COVID-19 Vaccines for Public Servants…” Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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FH, perhaps you do not recognise the moral hazard acknowledgement in Descent, http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F937.1&viewtype=text&pageseq=1
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked,16 will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.
This is said without even a by your leave as to how to avert it, it is said in support of why fossils are unlikely. KFkairosfocus_{June 29, 2022
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Jholo “This is ridiculous hyperbolic nonsense. How many Einstein’s and Steph Curry’s weren’t born because the wrong sperm cell reached the egg first” Wrong sperm cell? We’re they killed in the womb? “because the man used a condom, “ Was it killed in the womb? “because the man pulled out before ejaculation,” Was anything killed in the womb? “because the woman said no, because the man and woman never met?” Same question. Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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VB: “Correct me if I am wrong.” Be happy to.
Sorry, I read through this and I didn’t see where anyone was forced to take the vaccine.JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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KF: JH, we both know that half the time the unborn child in the womb is not even the same sex as his mother.
Agreed.
We both know that, having human parents, the unborn child is human;
Agreed.
which absent propagandistic distortions immediately leads to recognition of rights starting with life. KF
Ignoring the hyperbolic BS, this is nothing more than an unproven assertion based on your personal opinion. Rights are what we as a society say they are. Hypothetically, if the right to life begins at conception, why don’t we isolate women at the moment of conception to ensure that none of their behaviours can have a negative impact on the fetus? Make them wear red robes and white hats. If a pregnant woman continues to participate in activities that could harm a fetus, why don’t we charge them with negligent homicide when their actions result in the unintentional death of the fetus? When a woman opts for an abortion, why don’t we charge them with premeditated murder, and force them to suffer the consequences which, in many states, is the death penalty? If a woman takes the pill or uses an IUD, and is sexually active, why don’t we charge them with conspiracy to commit murder? We don’t do any of this because we all know, if even subconsciously, that a fetus does not have the same right to life as a living, breathing, feeling, thinking human being does.JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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Jholo “Correct me if I am wrong.” Be happy to. https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/global-hr/pages/coronavirus-canada-vaccines-public-servants.aspx Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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VB: How many Steph Curry’s have been aborted? How many Einsteins have been aborted?
How many Hitler’s, Stalins, Maos have been aborted? This is ridiculous hyperbolic nonsense. How many Einstein’s and Steph Curry’s weren’t born because the wrong sperm cell reached the egg first, because the man used a condom, because the man pulled out before ejaculation, because the woman said no, because the man and woman never met?JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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JH, we both know that half the time the unborn child in the womb is not even the same sex as his mother. We both know that, having human parents, the unborn child is human; which absent propagandistic distortions immediately leads to recognition of rights starting with life. KFkairosfocus_{June 29, 2022
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VB: Correct me if I am wrong but did not Canada require all Federal employees ,that included I would presume many women , to take the vaccine? If so what happened to “my body my choice”.
I don’t know. I don’t live in Canada. But my understanding is that nobody in Canada is required to take the vaccine. Correct me if I am wrong.
“This ruling will help the economy in states where abortion is legal. “ This is so sick but then again we all know killing babies is big business.
I was just stating obvious facts.
Keep on serving your corporate masters.
I am my own corporate master so I have no idea what you are implying.JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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Relatd: If you were a fertilized egg, an embryo and fetus, would it be OK to kill you in the womb?
Sure. How would I ever know?JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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KF: JH, there is and can be no right to kill another at will and you know it.
You don’t know what I know.JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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Andrew: I read babies can start feeling pain at 8-15 weeks.
Responding to stimuli and being able to perceive pain are not the same thing.JHolo_{June 29, 2022
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For all of Jholo’s self righteous preening over people of color the abortion rate by black women is 5 times that of white women. Millions upon millions of unborn blacks and an incalculably loss of the potential gifts they could have brought to the world. Some of you may know the name Steph Curry one of the the NBA’s all time greats. His mother was actually at the clinic and changed her mind. How many Steph Curry’s have been aborted? How many Einsteins have been aborted? Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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It seems to me that African slaves were also once considered not to be “human” either, but a prehuman vestige of evolution, an idea later promoted by Charles Darwin in his 1871 book, The Descent of Man.
Nonsense. There's nothing in The Descent of Man that supports slavery. It is mainly about the evolutionary idea of sexual selection. There's plenty to indicate Darwin was abolitionist in his thinking.Fred Hickson_{June 29, 2022
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“I grasp the fact that a feeling, thinking person’s rights to what happens with her body…” Correct me if I am wrong but did not Canada require all Federal employees ,that included I would presume many women , to take the vaccine? If so what happened to “my body my choice”. “This ruling will help the economy in states where abortion is legal. “ This is so sick but then again we all know killing babies is big business. Keep on serving your corporate masters. Vividvividbleau_{June 29, 2022
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For those who think a pre-born baby is not allowed to live because it has not been born, there is fetal surgery. So no, the surgeons involved are not operating on a space alien but a human being who is still in the womb. https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/fetal-surgery/about/pac-20384571 https://thecatholicspirit.com/featured/fetal-surgery-photo-still-making-an-impact/relatd_{June 29, 2022
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JH at 285, If you were a fertilized egg, an embryo and fetus, would it be OK to kill you in the womb? What is growing in there? Something non-human? And "The Woman" who is part of the current Marxist Class Warfare against men. Where is the man in all this? He has no say? Is it because he is the enemy? That thing to be avoided except for sex? You have no valid argument. Here's an article about fetal pain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7350116/ Have you ever seen an ultrasound where they can tell the sex of the baby?relatd_{June 29, 2022
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JH, there is and can be no right to kill another at will and you know it. The rights of a half a generation have been horrifically violated, but we can and should stop this now. KFkairosfocus_{June 29, 2022
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