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It is not often that I find myself in agreement with Professor Jerry Coyne, but this is one of those occasions. Over at his Website, Why Evolution is True, Professor Coyne has written a lengthy post entitled, Catholics proclaim complete harmony between science and their faith, trot out Aquinas again, in which he cites (without naming me) a post of mine from 2010 on Why Aquinas’ views on Scripture would have prevented him from becoming a Darwinist.

I stand by the conclusions I reached in that post, regarding Aquinas’ views on God, creation and Scripture, and I share Coyne’s sense of indignation with the following statement, made by a prominent Catholic theologian from the University of Oxford and a scientist from the American Museum of Natural History:

Evolutionary biology and faith in God are not incompatible, two professors asserted at the international Rimini Meeting, an event that brings hundreds of thousands of people to Italy.

“A proper understanding of creation, especially an understanding set forth by a thinker such as Thomas Aquinas, helps us to see that there is no conflict between evolutionary biology or any of the natural sciences and a fundamental understanding that all that ‘is’, is caused by God,” Professor William E. Carroll of Oxford University’s theology faculty told CNA Aug. 22…

Professor Carroll was a keynote speaker at the Rimini Meeting, an international gathering organized by the Catholic lay movement Communion and Liberation…

Sharing a platform with him was Professor Ian Tattersall of the American Museum of Natural History in New York.

Unlike Aquinas, I happen to be a Catholic who believes in common descent. However, I know enough about the history of the Church’s teachings on human origins over the last 2,000 years, to realize that some things are not up for grabs for Catholics, as Professor Carroll seems to think they are. The contemporary scientific consensus on evolutionary biology clearly contradicts Catholic teaching on several points – the most notable of which is Adam and Eve. (The doctrine that God directly and supernaturally created Adam and Eve’s human souls is another point of conflict.) I thought I’d assemble the evidence here, and let readers judge for themselves.

I intend to show below that the Catholic Church is still committed to the view that the human race is descended from a single original pair, Adam and Eve, and from nobody else.

But there’s more. Fr. Brian Harrison, a conservative Catholic priest who is Associate Professor of Theology, at the Pontifical Catholic University of Puerto Rico, has written a two part article entitled, Did Woman Evolve From the Beasts? – A Defence of Traditional Catholic Doctrine – Part I and Part II, has gone further, and argued that Catholics are, to this day, bound to believe as infallible Catholic teaching the proposition that Eve was formed from Adam’s side, and that if Adam was descended from the animals, the final step in his physical evolution must have been accomplished not naturally, but by supernatural intervention. Or as Fr. Harrison puts it in another article entitled, Did the Human Body evolve naturally? A Forgotten Papal Declaration, “Hence, … a last-minute supernatural intervention at the moment of Adam’s conception would have been necessary in order to give his embryonic body the genetic constitution and physical features of a true human being.” As I am not a theologian, I will content myself with presenting the evidence, so that people can assess it and form their own judgement. I will say, though, that in my opinion, Fr. Harrison makes a very good case (on theological grounds) for his view that while Adam may have evolved, Eve must have been created.

Our review of Catholic tradition will begin in the third century. Even the early Church Father Origen (185-254 A.D.), De Principiis, Book IV, chapter 21, who was a great allegorizer of Scripture, taught the existence of a single individual named Adam, who is the “father of all men”:

For every beginning of those families which have relation to God as to the Father of all, took its commencement lower down with Christ, who is next to the God and Father of all, being thus the Father of every soul, as Adam is the father of all men.

In the fourth century, St. Epiphanius (c. 310- 403 A.D.), Bishop of Constantia in Cyprus, forcefully asserted the truth of monogenism (the doctrine that all human beings are descended from a single pair, Adam and Eve) in his Panarion Book I, Section III, section 39 (Against the Sethians):

4 (2) Two men were not formed (at the beginning). One man was formed, Adam; and Cain, Abel and Seth came from Adam. And the breeds of men before the flood cannot derive from two men but must derive from one, since the breeds all have their own origins from Adam.
(Panarion. Translated by Frank Williams. Copyright 1987 and 1997, by Koninklijke Brill, Leiden, The Netherlands)

The fourth century bishop, St. Ambrose of Milan (c. 339-397 A.D.), who is honored as a Doctor of the Church and who also baptized St. Augustine, clearly taught that Adam was the unique source for the propagation of the human race and that Eve was made from Adam’s side, in chapter 10 of his work, “On Paradise” (c. 375):

(48) … Not without significance, too, is the fact that woman was made out of the rib of Adam. She was not made of the same earth with which he was formed, in order that we might realize that the physical nature of both man and woman is identical and that there was one source for the propagation of the human race. For that reason, neither was man created together with a woman, nor were two men and two women created at the beginning, but first a man and after that a woman. God willed it that human nature be established as one. Thus from the very inception of the human stock He eliminated the possibility that many different natures should arise.
(Cited in Eve and Adam: Jewish, Christian and Muslim readings on Genesis and gender by Kristen E. Kvam, Linda S. Schearing and Valarie H. Ziegler, Indiana University Press, 1999, page 138.)

St. Augustine (354-430 A.D.), writing in his City of God, Book XVI, Chapter 8, on “Whether Certain Monstrous Races of Men are Derived from the Stock of Adam or Noah’s Sons”, taught that Christians are obliged to believe that all human beings on Earth, no matter how different they may appear to other human beings, are descended from a single progenitor or “protoplast”, named Adam:

But whoever is anywhere born a man, that is, a rational, mortal animal, no matter what unusual appearance he presents in color, movement, sound, nor how peculiar he is in some power, part, or quality of his nature, no Christian can doubt that he springs from that one protoplast [original progenitor – i.e. Adam – VJT]. We can distinguish the common human nature from that which is peculiar, and therefore wonderful.

St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274), who is known as the Angelic Doctor, Summa Theologica I, q. 102, art. 1, quoted St. Augustine when explaining why Christians are bound to believe in a literal Garden of Eden (Paradise):

I answer that, As Augustine says (De Civ. Dei xiii, 21): “Nothing prevents us from holding, within proper limits, a spiritual paradise; so long as we believe in the truth of the events narrated as having there occurred.” For whatever Scripture tells us about paradise is set down as a matter of history; and wherever Scripture makes use of this method, we must hold to the historical truth of the narrative as a foundation of whatever spiritual explanation we may offer.

St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica I, q. 32, article 4, also taught that Christians are bound to believe factual assertions made in Scripture, even when they have no direct bearing on faith and morals:

A thing is of faith, indirectly, if the denial of it involves as a consequence something against faith; as for instance if anyone said that Samuel was not the son of Elcana, for it follows that the divine Scripture would be false.

And here’s St. Thomas Aquinas again, in his Commentary on Job (Prologue), on why Christians are not permitted to believe that the story of Job was originally intended as nothing more than a parable, as some people in his day (including the Jewish philosopher Maimonides) had suggested:

In Ezechiel, the Lord is represented as saying, “If there were three just men in our midst, Noah, Daniel, and Job, these would free your souls by their justice.” (Ez. 14:14) Clearly Noah and Daniel really were men in the nature of things and so there should be no doubt about Job who is the third man numbered with them. Also, James says, “Behold, we bless those who persevered. You have heard of the suffering of Job and you have seen the intention of the Lord.” (James 5:11) Therefore one must believe that the man Job was a man in the nature of things.

Not the wording: “one must believe” that Job was a real man. If this is what Aquinas held about the historicity of Job, what would he have thought about modern-day Catholics who deny the historical reality of Adam?

Regarding the formation of Eve from Adam’s side, Fr. Brian Harrison handily summarizes the views of Aquinas in his article, Did Woman Evolve From the Beasts? – A Defence of Traditional Catholic Doctrine (Part II):

The most universally approved of all theologians, St. Thomas Aquinas, lived before the modern vocabulary of theological notes had been developed, but it is clear that he judged the doctrine, understood literally and historically, to be totally certain. This is evident from ST, Ia, Q. 92, articles 2 and 3, inquiring, respectively, whether in general it was fitting for woman to be formed from man, and whether, more specifically, it was fitting for her to be formed from the man’s rib. In both articles, the ‘sed contra’ is a peremptory appeal to Scriptural texts: Sir. 17: 5 in art. 2 and Gen. 2: 22 in art. 3. When, in his ‘sed contras’, Aquinas cites a Scriptural text rather than magisterial, patristic or philosophical authorities, he means to show that the answer he discerns to the question being posed is backed up by the supreme authority of God’s own written word, in a passage, moreover, whose meaning is so clear that merely to cite it is to understand it. So in modern theological parlance, we would have to say that St. Thomas is proposing the formation of Eve from Adam’s rib or side as at least ‘proximate to faith’.

A few decades after St. Thomas Aquinas’ death, the ecumenical Council of Vienne in 1312 published the Constitution Fidei catholicae, which referred to the formation of Eve from Adam’s side as pre-figuring the formation of the Church, which the New Testament describes in Ephesians 5:25-32 as the Spouse of Christ:

[We confess] … that after [Jesus’] spirit was already rendered up, his side suffered perforation by a lance, so that through the ensuing flow of water and blood, the one and only, immaculate, virgin holy Mother Church, the Spouse of Christ, might be formed, just as from the side of the first man, cast into sleep, Eve was formed for him unto marriage. This happened so that the reality manifested in our last Adam, that is, Christ, might correspond to a certain prefiguring of that reality constituted by the first and ancient Adam, who, according to the Apostle, “is a type of the one who was to come” [cf. Rom. 5: 14]. (DS 901 = D 480)

The great theologian Francisco Suarez (1548-1617), a Spanish Jesuit who is generally regarded as one of the greatest Scholastic philosophers after St. Thomas Aquinas, held that the immediate formation of Adam’s and Eve’s bodies by God is to be held definitively as Catholic doctrine, as Fr. Brian Harrison notes in his article, Did Woman Evolve From the Beasts? – A Defence of Traditional Catholic Doctrine (Part II):

Suarez, another truly great theologian, teaches that the immediate formation of both Adam’s and Eve’s bodies by God is doctrina catholica“, that is, definitive tenenda.
(De Opere Sex Dierum, 1, 3. ch. 1, nos. 4 and 6.)

Echoing the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas, Cardinal St. Robert Bellarmine, S.J. (1542-1621), another Doctor of the Church, affirmed the absolute inerrancy of all factual assertions made in Scripture, in his celebrated Letter to Paolo Foscarini on Galileo’s Theories, April 12, 1615:

It would be just as heretical to deny that Abraham had two sons and Jacob twelve, as it would be to deny the virgin birth of Christ, for both are declared by the Holy Ghost through the mouths of the prophets and apostles.

Nor has the teaching of the Church changed in modern times. More than two decades after the publication of Charles Darwin’s The Origin of Species, Pope Leo XIII wrote about the origin of marriage in his 1880 encyclical, Arcanum (On Christian Marriage), paragraph 5, and affirmed that the creation of Eve from Adam’s side was an historical fact that is known to all, and “cannot be doubted by any”:

…The true origin of marriage, venerable brothers, is well known to all. Though revilers of the Christian faith refuse to acknowledge the never-interrupted doctrine of the Church on this subject, and have long striven to destroy the testimony of all nations and of all times, they have nevertheless failed not only to quench the powerful light of truth, but even to lessen it. We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep. God thus, in His most far-reaching foresight, decreed that this husband and wife should be the natural beginning of the human race, from whom it might be propagated and preserved by an unfailing fruitfulness throughout all futurity of time.

Fr. Brian Harrison, commenting on the above passage in his article, Early Vatican Responses to the Evolution Controversy, makes the following observation on the state of the controversy regarding evolution within the Catholic Church in the late nineteenth century:

It is noteworthy that no censure was even necessary, during this period, either of a polygenistic account of human origins or of the thesis that the body of the first woman was also a product of evolution. This is because no Catholic author, it seems, had yet dared advocate these theses, in opposition to truths which were so firmly established in Scripture and Tradition.

Some Catholics believe that Pope Pius XII reversed the Church’s stance on evolution. The truth, however, is quite different. In November 1941, Pope Pius XII expressly affirmed that Eve was formed from Adam’s side in an allocution given to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences:

God formed man and crowned his brow with the diadem of his image and likeness… . Only from man could there come another man who could call him father and parent; and the helpmate given to the first man also comes from him and is flesh of his flesh …. Her name comes from the man, because she was taken from him.
(“… Dio plasmò l’uomo e gli coronò la fronte del diadema della sua immagine e somiglianza… . Dall’uomo soltanto poteva venire un altro uomo che lo chiamasse padre e genitore; e l’aiuto dato da Dio al primo uomo viene pure da lui ed è carne della sua carne …, che ha nome dell’uomo, perché da lui è stata tratta“)
(Acta Apostolicae Sedis 33 [1941], p. 506.)

Several years later, Pope Pius XII cautiously permitted theological enquiry into the possible origin of the human body from pre-existing living organisms, in his 1950 encyclical Humani Generis, paragraph 36:

…[T]he Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter – for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God.

However, Pope Pius XII, in the same encyclical, Humani Generis, paragraph 37, reminded Catholics that polygenism (the view that the human race was descended from more than two first parents) is off-limits to Catholics:

When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents.

Pope Pius XII also affirmed that the first eleven chapters of Genesis must be considered free from all historical errors, even if they borrow from popular narratives that were current at the time when Genesis was written, in his encyclical, Humani Generis, paragraphs 38-39:

[T]he first eleven chapters of Genesis, although properly speaking not conforming to the historical method used by the best Greek and Latin writers or by competent authors of our time, do nevertheless pertain to history in a true sense… If, however, the ancient sacred writers have taken anything from popular narrations (and this may be conceded), it must never be forgotten that they did so with the help of divine inspiration, through which they were rendered immune from any error in selecting and evaluating those documents.

Therefore, whatever of the popular narrations have been inserted into the Sacred Scriptures must in no way be considered on a par with myths or other such things…

Finally, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, approved by Pope John Paul II, affirms the reality of Adam and Eve as historical individuals in paragraphs 366 and 375:

The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God – it is not “produced” by the parents – and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection…

The Church, interpreting the symbolism of biblical language in an authentic way, in the light of the New Testament and Tradition, teaches that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were constituted in an original “state of holiness and justice”.

Well, there’s the evidence. What do readers think?

Comments
nullasalus, Thank you for your thoughtful responses. A few points in reply: 1. Is Kemp a polygenist? Well, he certainly is one of sorts. Kemp’s proposed solution in his paper, Science, Theology and Monogenesis (American Catholic Philosophical Quarterly, 2011, Vol. 85, No. 2, pp. 217-236) is that the human race is descended from only two people with rational souls (Adam and Eve), in addition to several thousand individuals who were biologically human – i.e. of the same species as Adam and Eve – but who lacked the capacity for rational thought, since they did not possess spiritual souls. Thus Kemp attempts to combine theological monogenism – the belief that we are descended from a single pair of individuals who were rational and in communion with God – with biological polygenism, which says that the human stock never numbered less than about 5,000 individuals at any stage in its history. 2. Kemp's view runs afoul of the ecumenical Council of Vienne (1311-1312), which declared in no uncertain terms: "[W]e define that anyone who presumes henceforth to assert defend or hold stubbornly that the rational or intellectual soul is not the form of the human body of itself and essentially, is to be considered a heretic." However, Professor Kemp maintains that Adam and Eve had "biologically human ancestors" (p. 232), who belonged to a "biologically (i.e., genetically) human species" (p. 231), so it seems that he must therefore hold that these pre-Adamite hominids had human bodies; yet he also says that these hominids lacked rational souls – which in turn implies that the rational soul is not essentially the form of the human body. 3. My own view is that no individual could ever be generated with a human body, but without a human soul. “Why not?” you may ask. The answer is that a human body is the kind of body that requires a rational soul in order to properly flourish; human beings, as a race, require the use of reason for their very survival, and without the ability to reason, the human race would not be viable and would swiftly perish. Around 2,000,000 years ago, human evolution reached a critical threshold in terms of our ancestors’ food and energy requirements, due to the fact that infants were being born with bigger brains, and requiring a much longer period of parental care. Various authors have argued that the food and energy requirements of Homo erectus (which I'm defining broadly to include Homo ergaster) could only have been satisfied if adult males and females had the capacity to make long-term family commitments held together by strong bonds, which presupposes an ability to plan for the long-term future. (You might like to have a look at Mathias Osvath and Peter Gardenfors' 2005 paper, Oldowan culture and the evolution of anticipatory cognition and also Kit Opie and Camilla Power - especially their 2008 article, Grandmothering and Female Coalitions: A Basis for Matrilineal Priority? ). In other words, Homo erectus must have been rational – or else he would have starved to death as a species. The authors also make it quite clear that when we get to Heidelberg man (average brain size: 1225 cc) around 600,000 years ago, infants' brains would have been far too big for their mothers to feed them by foraging alone. The long-term co-operation of a committed father would have been absolutely essential. 4. For more details on the emergence of human rationality, see this article: Neural correlates of Early Stone Age toolmaking: technology, language and cognition in human evolution by D. Stout et al. in Phil. Trans. R. Soc. B, 12 June 2008, vol. 363, no. 1499, pp. 1939-1949, doi: 10.1098/rstb.2008.0001. The authors argue that the Acheulean tools made by Homo erectus required rational thought in order to make them - especially late Acheulean tools, dating from 500,000 years ago. A few excerpts:
"The activation of right inferior PFC (BA 45) [prefrontal cortex, Broca's area 45 - VJT] during Acheulean toolmaking is of particular interest because PFC lies at the top of the brain's sensory and motor hierarchies (Passingham et al. 2000) and plays a central role in coordinating flexible, goal-directed behaviour (Ridderinkhof et al. 2004). Thus, PFC activation during hand axe production probably reflects greater demands for complex action regulation in this task... "The activation of ventrolateral, but not dorsolateral, PFC [pre-frontal cortex] indicates that Acheulean toolmaking is distinguished by cognitive demands for the coordination of ongoing, hierarchically organized action sequences rather than the internal rehearsal and evaluation of action plans. "The increasingly anterior and RH-dominant frontal activation during Late Acheulean toolmaking reflects the more complex, multi-level structure of the task (figure 3), which includes the flexible iteration of multi-step processes in the context of larger scale technical goals. "Archaeological evidence of ESA [Early Stone Age] technological change thus traces a trajectory of ever more skill-intensive, bimanual toolmaking methods that overlap functionally and anatomically with important elements of the human faculty for language."
In short, we can be sure that Late Acheulean tools (dating from 500,000 years ago) required rationality to make them. Whether early Acheulean tools (dating from 1.8 million years ago) required rationality in order to produce them is less certain at this stage. 5. I am amazed that you don't see much of a difference in the "yuck factor" between incest and bestiality. One involves mating with a human being which is forbidden because the ties of blood are too close; while the other involves mating with a sub-rational animal. There's simply no contest. Bestiality is much, much more disordered as an act. Kemp fails to recognize this point. Discussing the mating that would have occurred between Adam and Eve and other non-human hominids, he writes:
The sin involved would be more like promiscuity — impersonal sexual acts — than like bestiality. (pp. 232-233)
No. Humanity doesn't come in halves. You're either human or you're not. Bestiality is bestiality, regardless of which animal you do it with, and what they look like. 6. St. Augustine, in his City of God, Book XV, chapter 16, explicitly asserts that at the dawn of humanity, men married their sisters, and argues that it was permissible for them to do so, as it was necessary for the continuation of the human race:
Chapter 16.— Of Marriage Between Blood-Relations, in Regard to Which the Present Law Could Not Bind the Men of the Earliest Ages. As, therefore, the human race, subsequently to the first marriage of the man who was made of dust, and his wife who was made out of his side, required the union of males and females in order that it might multiply, and as there were no human beings except those who had been born of these two, men took their sisters for wives — an act which was as certainly dictated by necessity in these ancient days as afterwards it was condemned by the prohibitions of religion... Therefore, when an abundant population made it possible, men ought to choose for wives women who were not already their sisters; for not only would there then be no necessity for marrying sisters, but, were it done, it would be most abominable.
St. Augustine explains here why incest was justified in case of necessity, but adds that it would be abominable in other situations. 7. I don't think you have addressed my remark about Genesis 2:19, where God brings all the animals to Adam to name them, "and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name." Since the "biologically human" contemporaries of Adam whose existence is hypothesized by Kemp would have been of a different kind than himself, what did Adam call them? He couldn't have called them humans, for that was the name of his kind. He must have therefore regarded them as being of another kind, and as less than human. But if he regarded them in this way, then he could not at the same time have regarded them as suitable mating partners. That was my point. 8. Your memory served you correctly. I certainly don't believe in a Flood that covered the Earth in the past. That contradicts everything we know about geology. However, my point in citing Genesis 6:19 was that the Flood story creates a similar dilemma: any "biologically human" creatures lacking a rational soul would had to have been taken on the Ark as beasts, in the Genesis story, which is absurd.vjtorley
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Ted Davis, Thank you for your post. As you correctly point out, "Bellarmine was saying, in context, that biblical teaching about astronomy (specifically, about the Earth being at rest and the Sun in motion) is no less authoritative than biblical teaching about Abraham or the Virgin Birth" in his famous Letter to Paolo Foscarini, dated April 12, 1615. Here's Bellarmine's argument for why he thinks Catholics should hold to the traditional view that the Earth is the fixed center of the universe, around which the Sun moves:
I say that, as you know, the Council [of Trent] prohibits expounding the Scriptures contrary to the common agreement of the holy Fathers. And if Your Reverence would read not only the Fathers but also the commentaries of modern writers on Genesis, Psalms, Ecclesiastes and Josue, you would find that all agree in explaining literally (ad litteram) that the sun is in the heavens and moves swiftly around the earth, and that the earth is far from the heavens and stands immobile in the center of the universe. Now consider whether in all prudence the Church could encourage giving to Scripture a sense contrary to the holy Fathers and all the Latin and Greek commentators.
In response: I think that Cardinal Bellarmine's understanding of Catholic tradition is wrong. He says that "the Council [of Trent] prohibits expounding the Scriptures contrary to the common agreement of the holy Fathers." Common agreement alone is not enough. Bellarmine should have added, "common agreement that the Scriptures should be interpreted in this way." Church Fathers who assert in passing that the Earth is fixed and that the Sun moves around it simply don't count. They have to say more than that. At the very least, they have to say that this is what the Church believes, or that this is how Catholics interpret this verse. Ideally, they should then add that Catholics are forbidden to hold a contrary interpretation of the verse in question, and that to do so would be heretical. I haven't gone through the Patristic interpretation of the verses commonly cited in favor of geocentricity, but I think they fall short of that standard. By contrast, the Patristic consensus in Adam and Eve does not. Epiphanius (310-403 A.D.), for instance, is very forceful:
Two men were not formed (at the beginning). One man was formed, Adam; and Cain, Abel and Seth came from Adam. And the breeds of men before the flood cannot derive from two men but must derive from one, since the breeds all have their own origins from Adam.
St. Augustine (354-430 A.D.) is even more emphatic:
But whoever is anywhere born a man, that is, a rational, mortal animal, no matter what unusual appearance he presents in color, movement, sound, nor how peculiar he is in some power, part, or quality of his nature, no Christian can doubt that he springs from that one protoplast [original progenitor – i.e. Adam – VJT].
Both authors take the trouble to denounce contrary views as "beyond the pale" - that is, they assert that no Christian can believe in polygenism. I'd say that's pretty conclusive. On top of that, there's the fact that Francisco Suarez (1548-1617), a Spanish Jesuit who is generally regarded as one of the greatest Scholastic philosophers after St. Thomas Aquinas, held that the immediate formation of Adam’s and Eve’s bodies by God is to be held definitively as Catholic doctrine, as I mentioned above. Finally, Pope Leo XIII wrote in paragraph of his encyclical Arcanum (On Christian Marriage):
We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep.
Once again, we're back to a literal Adam and Eve - and, I might add, Eve formed from the side of Adam. I can only conclude that polygenism hasn't got a leg to stand on, as far as Catholic tradition is concerned.vjtorley
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JLAfan2001, Thank you for your post. You asked:
I don’t have any scientific references but there are articles stating that man arose from Africa around 100,000 years ago from a small tribe of around 10,000. How can there have been one man and one woman if genetics can't get below a population of that size. We would have mutated ourselves out of existence.
You are probably referring to the recent paper by Heng Li and Richard Durbin Inference of human population history from individual whole-genome sequences (Nature 475, 493–496 (28 July 2011) doi:10.1038/nature10231), which Professor Jerry Coyne wrote about here. In Coyne's words:
...[O]ur ancestors went through two different phases of population “bottlenecking” (constriction): one occurred about three million years ago, when a large population declined to around 10,000 individuals. The authors note that while this may reflect population size decline associated with the origin of hominins after our split with the lineage that produced modern chimps, they also say that this could be an artifact of ancient genetic polymorphisms maintained by natural selection. The second bottleneck is the one of interest, for it’s the one associated with a reduced population size as humans left Africa... While the bottleneck for non-European populations was probably associated with a group leaving Africa and subsequently colonizing the world, we also see a somewhat less severe bottleneck in the African samples: from about 16,100 people about 100,000-150,000 years ago to 5,700 about 50,000 years ago. It's not clear why the populations in Africa bottlenecked as well.
Coyne argues that because "the effective population size" is "almost certainly an underestimate of census size," "that only makes the problem worse" for monogenism, and he concludes that "we never went through a bottleneck of anything near two individuals, as the Biblical Adam-and-Eve story suggests." Over at the Biologic Institute, Li and Durbin's paper has recently been critiqued by Ann Gauger (see here and here). Some highlights from Gauger's response to Li and Durbin:
The idea that evolution is driven by drift has led to a way of retrospectively estimating past genetic lineages. Called coalescent theory, it is based on one very simple assumption — that the vast majority of mutations are neutral and have no effect on an organism's survival... Li and Durbin's paper, cited by Paul McBride in his review, is one such study. The authors use a sequential hidden Markov model, combined with an estimation of historical recombination events, to reconstruct human genetic history. .. Coalescent models rely heavily on the assumption that genetic change is neutral. There are indications that this is not the case in our genome as I have already discussed. So conclusions about population size drawn from these models should be provisional at best. In addition, all these calculations depend on assumptions of common descent as the only explanation for our origin. Such assumptions are not justified, when we see evidence of tangled trees at all levels of phylogeny. In an ideal world, such assumptions would have to be justified before being used in models such as this. [Bold emphases mine - VJT.]
I personally accept common descent, but I certainly don't believe that the events occurring in the human lineage which made us into rational human beings were neutral mutations. If there was a point in our past when these events were the predominant mutations (e.g. a sudden emergence of the human capacity to reason, which required accompanying changes in our brains), then at this point, Markov models would no longer apply. As it happens, it appears that one such event occurred about 2.5 million years ago, when humanity diverged from the australopithecines. You can read about it here. The long and the short of it is that although I accept evolution, the evolution I accept required a lot of intelligent guidance (and genetic manipulation) to get us to where we are. Evolutionary models which attempt to estimate ancestral populations under the assumption that no such guidance occurred are therefore worthless. As they say, garbage in, garbage out.vjtorley
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Timaeus @21, I don't think that a mythical Adam or community-based original sin can be reconciled with Christian theology. If St. Paul misunderstood something as fundamental as the soteriological link between Adam and Jesus Christ, he would surely not be a reliable guide on other matters.StephenB
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StephenB, For reference: http://www.nd.edu/~afreddos/papers/kemp-monogenism.pdf Relevant section:
The primary purpose of this paper has been to show that there is no real contradiction between a theologically conservative (monogenist) account of anthropogenesis and the scientific insights of evolutionary biology and modern genetics. The appearance of contradiction that has been asserted in recent years is based on a failure to make an important distinction. This fact should remind us of the importance of patience in the face of apparent contradictions. Contradictions are sometimes to be resolved not by the rejection of one of the apparently contradictory theories but by the recognition of just such a previously overlooked distinction.
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--nullasalus: "I don’t think it’s clear that Kemp is advocating polygenism – and according to he himself, he absolutely is not. He’s advocating an origin of humanity that’s compatible with monogenism (Adam and Eve were the first humans) with biological precursors that had poly- origins." You may be right. Perhaps I should not have put him in that category. I will revisit his comments.StephenB
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StephenB,
Even in the teeth of a clear Church teaching, Kemp, like most TEs, typically play the liberal card (polygenism).
I don't think it's clear that Kemp is advocating polygenism - and according to he himself, he absolutely is not. He's advocating an origin of humanity that's compatible with monogenism (Adam and Eve were the first humans) with biological precursors that had poly- origins.nullasalus
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JLAfan2001- Do the hands of the programmer guide the programs running your computer? Is there a programmer inside doing the spellchecking?Joe
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Timaeus Does the hand of God guide mutations today or is it the natural laws? If it’s the laws, why the hand of God then? If that is the case, then why trust anything the bible says? How do we know Paul was mistaken about the crucifiction? How do we know that the Gospels are accurate and not error ridden? How do we know the Exodus actually occurred especially since we have very little to no evidence of it? How do we know Job was real? If we start to look at scripture in way that this person or that person could have been reading things wrong, then nothing can be trusted. If not biblical inerrancy then what? PM is a private message. I don’t know if Uncommon Descent allows for that or not.JLAfan2001
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JLAfan2001: The difference is that for Dawkins there is neither guidance nor any advance planning in the evolutionary process. For Behe, you couldn't get from, say, reptile to mammal without guidance, or advance planning, or both. That's where the "design" comes in. Your reasoning about Adam, sin, Jesus, redemption, etc. assumes both that Augustine has correctly understood Paul and that Paul has correctly understood Genesis. If either of these two conditions does not obtain, your reasoning fails. I don't know what PM means.Timaeus
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--"Joe, Wouldn’t “lieralist interpretation” be an oxymoron? Either something is taken literally or it is interpreted. --Nullasalus: "Probably." For Catholics, insofar as they are doing exegetical analysis, that word has a specialized meaning: Literalist (The fundamentalist extreme on one side) = Taking the passage word for word, regardless of historical or theological context. If the passage reads, "it was raining cats and dogs," the literalist interpreter assumes that dogs and cats were really falling out of the sky. The literalist doesn't always acknowledge the difference between metaphorical expressions and historical accounts. Literal (Sound exegesis)= Discerning what the author really meant to say when he wrote the passage, given the historical and theological context. In the above example, it would be obvious that the writer meant to say that it was raining very hard. The literal interpretation always recognizes the genre being used. Liberal (The modernist extreme on the other side) = reading one's own preferences into the passage, even to the point of denying history. Forget what the passage says; it didn't really rain. The whole thing was a story that was crafted to illustrate an abstract truth of some kind. With this perspective, miracles and hard-to-understand teachings are simply dismissed. This dynamic plays itself out daily. Even in the teeth of a clear Church teaching, Kemp, like most TEs, typically play the liberal card (polygenism). He can't understand how monogenism could be true, so he simply dismisses it even if his Church tells him that a Catholic cannot legitimately do that. YECs, who insist that Genesis is providing not only a historical fact but also a chronological and literal account of all the events, typically play the literalist card (mandatory six day creation).StephenB
August 29, 2012
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Coresa I don’t have any scientific references but there are articles stating that man arose from Africa around 100,000 years ago from a small tribe of around 10, 000. How can there have been one man and one woman if genetics can’t get below a population of that size. We would have mutated ourselves out of existence. Plus where does Homo erectus, Homo Habilis, Homo Neanderthalis fit into the creation account of Adam and Eve? There were other human species that went extinct. Why them and not us? Timaeus I know that ID is compatible with evolution and it’s not creationism but what is the difference between Behe’s view on evolution and Dawkins’ view if they both believe in evolution with common ancestry? The bible does say that Adam means mankind in Hebrew but it also refers to him as one man in the gospels as you stated. This is part of the problem did one man or a small population bring sin into the world and how was it done? You are right in assuming that I believed in the literal Genesis account but I don’t see how one can’t. Sin entered through Adam and Christ reconciled us to God. No Adam, no sin, no Jesus, no death, no resurrection, no afterlife. It’s a progression and if any one of these fails, the whole of Christianity falls. I don’t feel comfortable in giving out personal information over the blog but perhaps through PM would be fineJLAfan2001
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"Wouldn’t “literalist interpretation” be an oxymoron? Either something is taken literally or it is interpreted." Not so, actually. The original Protestant understanding of "literal" was described by William Tyndale, who said the only meaning of Scripture was the literal one, but that like other literature Scripture contains poetry, metaphor, parable, allegory and so on which are the literal meaning of those particular texts, properly understood. So for any text you need to do careful interpretive work to understand what "literal" means in that case. A "literalistic" interpretation is something else - in the case of Genesis usually meaning one that assumes it is written in the form of modern reportage, regardless of how it was understood originally. Even then, interpretation plays a large part - vapour canopies were never in the text, but for many years were read into a literalistic understanding of it. The rather limited effects described in God's curses in Genesis 4 are often interpreted as a complete reordering of creation, though that's not in the text. And so on.Jon Garvey
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Joe,
Wouldn’t “lieralist interpretation” be an oxymoron? Either something is taken literally or it is interpreted.
Probably. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure that Torley doesn't take Noah's story to mean that two of each and every creature on the whole of the earth was taken, given other views of his I've read regarding biblical history.nullasalus
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Actually, I should get into this regarding 6 again. Let's assume that on 6, the 'other men' aren't in fact rational creatures. But it's still entirely possible for those creatures to be unensouled, while still being a threat to Cain. Being fearful, or even attacking someone, because of a violent action is certainly within the capacity of sub/non-rational animals. More than that, Genesis 4 doesn't say that others will kill Cain because he's a murderer and they hate murderers. From the NIV:
Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
For all we know, Cain was threatened simply because he was a stranger to whoever he'd encounter, or some other reason. Kemp is entirely correct that the origins of the people in the land Cain is travelling to are not mentioned, and that really does do quite a job regarding placing the context of the history. I maintain that Kemp's interpretation is very reasonable.nullasalus
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Wouldn't "lieralist interpretation" be an oxymoron? Either something is taken literally or it is interpreted.Joe
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Alright, as someone who's very sympathetic to the views expressed by those referenced in the OP, I'll give some responses. One of the articles Torley references in his OP makes the statement that God's existence is compatible with science. That's a pretty broad claim that doesn't itself turn on the truths of Catholic/Christian teaching. This much should be accepted by Torley straightaway. As for the specific list Torley gives in his comment... 1: Any objection to the sort of account Kemp raises that turns on "But that would be some form of bestiality!" is going to be blunted by the obvious reply: the alternative account features inbreeding and incest to a high degree. I don't think you can say 'well incest is clearly superior to mating with the subrational!' and make it stick - at least from where I sit, I don't find the contrast very striking. 2: This really comes across as a considerable stretch. First, you're assuming that when God says 'it is not good for man to be alone', that this has only to do with Adam's feelings of loneliness, as opposed to God viewing Adam as incomplete in some other way. More than, you are really, really reading a lot into Adam's response when you take his response to mean "Aha! Eve looks like me, which is all that I require and nothing else whatsoever! Yay!" 3: That's a minor point at best: Kemp clearly thinks there's an important, difference-in-kind between the two. When he talks about them being 'human', I take him to mean 'biologically human', which makes sense for his purposes. 4: I think the difference between rational and sub-rational would make much of the difference here - even you yourself, I believe, have argued that there's a difference when it comes to experiencing pain or fear or punishment from a rational context and a subrational context. Further, you're cooking up a contrast: Adam, originally, was provided for. After his punishment, he is no longer provided for. That doesn't mean that all the animals were also provided for - they were under different rules and a different relationship from the beginning. 5: Not according to Kemp's understanding. Eve really was mother of all the living, insofar as she was the mother of all rational humans. 6: I fail to see the problem here, even if you assume the men are rational, especially given the lifespans they had. It seems to me that those 'other men' could have been rational creatures, and still fit with Kemp's understanding. And that's assuming that their hostility to Cain really would require rationality - something I'll put aside for now. 7: This is right back to the 'mating with a sub-rational animal' objection, and once again the contrast is 'or incest'. As with 1, I don't feel this has much force at all. We're dealing with a pretty particular set of circumstances in the creation story. 8: Noah's Ark has its entirely own set of difficulties and understandings, even by your own measure. I'm almost positive your view here differs drastically from any literalist interepretation.nullasalus
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JLAfan2001: You wrote: "The reason why I say I want to believe in Adam and Eve is because I’m a Christian moving into the world of agnosticism (bordering on nihilism). Science seems to be doing a good job of debunking some Genesis accounts and I haven’t found a good way to reconcile faith and science. Science doesn’t have all the answers, Religion doesn’t have all the answers and the two can’t agree." Your account here makes me sad. It's clear that you have been taught a wooden, literalist account of the Bible and of the Christian faith, and, unable to reconcile that with what you have been told that "science" teaches (although some of what you have been told that "science" teaches is dubious speculation), you are facing a crisis of faith. Trust me; there are many versions of Christian faith, and the ones worth holding onto are not incompatible with good science. If your Christian faith is based on a rich personal understanding, i.e., is not merely assent to a bunch of historical propositions or institutional dogmas, you won't have any problem reconciling it with any sound science. What will cause you problems is (a) accepting a narrow, materialistic view of the world -- such as that propounded by Dawkins and Coyne and Carl Sagan and Lawrence Krauss -- as the truth of "science"; and (b) accepting a narrow form of literalist inerrantism as the representative of Christianity. Could you give me a sense of your personal background? A rough idea of your age, and your formal education, and social milieu of your family and friends, and your religious background? I might be able to help you with some suggestions if I knew more about "where you are at."Timaeus
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JLAfan2001: You wrote: "Also, how can Michael Behe believe in human evolution/common ancestry and still be an ID proponent?" This question shows that you are laboring under the misconception that ID and evolution are incompatible. You apparently think that ID is creationism. You need to do some basic reading in ID literature. You can find some material in the resources section on this site, and other basic material on the Discovery site. The book *Debating Design* edited by Dembski and Ruse should help as well. And of course *Darwin's Black Box* by Behe. It isn't a "theory" that "Adam" is the Hebrew word for mankind. "Adam" *is* the Hebrew word for mankind, and it's used in that way in Genesis 1. But "Adam" is also used in Genesis 2-3 to refer to the "man" -- the first human male -- and later in that story it functions as the first male's proper name. Whether or not Genesis 2-3 has been "proved wrong" by population genetics depends on what you think Genesis 2-3 is trying to say. And that depends on considerations such as literary genre. As a point of historical fact, most of the Church Fathers, especially the Latin Fathers, read it largely as chronicle. But how they read it, and what its author intended, may be two quite different things.Timaeus
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Hi JLAfan2001, You say "science seems to be doing a good job of debunking some Genesis accounts". Could you share with us what scientific evidence debunks what Genesis accounts please? Thank you.coresa
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Tjguy I think that if we apply “that’s just your interpretation” to one aspect of science, why not others? Some Christians seem to apply that to evolution and the age of the earth but what about chemistry, physics and botany? I would guess not because those aspects of science don’t threaten Christian theology. If we were to apply that then there would never be any consensus on anything. The reason why I say I want to believe in Adam and Eve is because I’m a Christian moving into the world of agnosticism (bordering on nihilism). Science seems to be doing a good job of debunking some Genesis accounts and I haven’t found a good way to reconcile faith and science. Science doesn’t have all the answers, Religion doesn’t have all the answers and the two can’t agree.JLAfan2001
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tjguy, why would carnality be bad, since, as you rightly point out it was part of God's 'very good' creation? Are you not confusing our creation as flesh and blood, with carnality in the sense, not of merely a lesser spiritual nature, but of a culpably fallen one? I was not imputing greater sinfulness to men, as I indicated by the words, 'for better or worse' and my references, to the angels (pure spirits) and to attunement to the spiritual world. 'In Christ, there is neither male nor female. Both men and women are depraved sinners in need of forgiveness and reconciliation with God. The ground before the cross is level for both sexes. We may have different weaknesses in general, but we both have weaknesses. Again, and for the same reason, I couldn't agree more. 'Whatever distinction you are trying to draw here is simply conjecture.' I thought I had made that clear at the outset. I'm sorry if I gave the impression I was pronouncing kind of 'ex cathedra'. 'What? Are you suggesting that a man should have given birth to Jesus?' Of course not. Merely suggesting that the manner of all human incarnation might have been disposed by God quite differently, unimaginably differently, but that he chose the Son of Man to be born of a virginal woman just might have been motivated by such considerations as I have suggested. 'You don’t think the fact that Mary was the mother of Jesus had anything to do with biology? Instead you think it has to do with some special intimacy with God?' Having established that his creation of mankind via men and women as we are familiar with our race, I would suggest to you that it is an axiom of our faith that God chooses the most apt means for all his works; not necessarily just biological means, for goodness sake. I'm only interested in the biology, insofar as it engages my reflection in terms of possible associated spiritual dimensions. It hadn't occurred to me that personal attempts at spiritual interpretations of scripture were outside the remit of VJ's invitation. 'First of all, I’m not sure this is a fact like you claim. Secondly, what in the world is a heavy gender related cross? Each gender has it’s own particular challenges.' If you say so. 'Are you suggested he developed in a woman’s womb for 9 months and went through the same changes you and I did?' Your preferred, standard, approved, straighforward interpretation had occurred to me too, and it is certainly less gratuitously speculative, even less wildly so. I wonder, though, if wild speculations ever bear fruit. Maybe aye, maybe no. I'm no Origen, but he came up with some pretty 'wild' speculations, and yet he was held to be the 'go-to' man for all questions on Christian orthodoxy, so cut me a bit of slack, there's a good chap. I almost get the impression in places that you somehow feel threatened by my holding women to be (in footbal parlance) 'a bit special'. Or maybe it's the Catholic allusions that make you very uncomfortable. Anyway, no great harm done. I fully concede that they are gratuitous and arguably even wild, speculations.Axel
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Good work, VJ. As you point out, the teaching of the Church in this matter is clear and consistent with Aquinas' views. Frankly, I resent revisionist Catholics who falsely implicate Aquinas in their theological crimes.StephenB
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JLAFan said "If that is the case(no Adam & Eve) then Christianity falls apart. It seems now Christians are trying to scramble and reconcile this with theories like Adam is Hebrew for mankind or he was the first human to evolve or he was a king of a tribe or the account is allegorical etc. Perhaps it is time to admit that Genesis is wrong and move on." I have to agree with you there. I am a creationist so I don't agree that "science" has proven that they did not exist, but I do agree that if they did not exist, then the Bible is is not credible. Jesus believed in Adam & Eve as did Paul. The Fall would have been a big myth and hence the story of sin entering into the world would be a lie. The Church took this as literal history as VJ has done such a good job of pointing out here. The Bible would simply lose all credibility if that were the case. I don't believe for one minute though that science can prove they did not exit. It can give evidence that some people will interpret as giving support for that view, but there is no proof. Plus, creationists would have a very different interpretation of the facts than evolutionists would have. We both have the same facts. The difference is in the interpretation. You interpret them based on your evolutionary worldview and we interpret them based on our creationist worldview. I think Luskin and Gauger have a recent book out that shows that Adam and Eve very possibly could have existed. Might be worth a look. If you are not a Christian, just curious, but why would you want to believe in Adam & Eve just as much as the next guy?tjguy
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Axel, wow! What a post! That is way beyond me and a bit troubling to me.
‘Even men’s facial hair is suggestive of a greater level of carnality, isn’t it?”
I'm sorry, but there is nothing in Scripture at all to support this wild idea! Personal opinion is fine, but beards were a part of God's original "very good" creation it would seem - unless you are going to claim that beards are a result of the fall.
“But it has also occurred to me that in their worldly abasement*, their kind of ‘spare rib’ anonymity, as part of our faith as well, women may well be closer to God the Father in his eternal essence. ‘From the womb, before the Day-Star, I begot you’ – Psalm 110.”
In Christ, there is neither male nor female. Both men and women are depraved sinners in need of forgiveness and reconciliation with God. The ground before the cross is level for both sexes. We may have different weaknesses in general, but we both have weaknesses. Whatever distinction you are trying to draw here is simply conjecture.
In addition, the fact of the Virgin Mary bearing the only-begotten Son of the Father, would seem to suggest a pretty remarkable degree of intimacy with Him, doesn’t it?
What? Are you suggesting that a man should have given birth to Jesus? You don’t think the fact that Mary was the mother of Jesus had anything to do with biology? Instead you think it has to do with some special intimacy with God? OK, I’m Protestant so I have trouble with this whole “cherished Mariology” thing, but I think you are reading into this far more than we know. She bore a child and that child was both God and man. Was there more to it than that? I don’t know. I think we’ll have to wait for heaven to find out the answer to that.
“the fact of women being essentially more spiritual would entail that they would bear heavier, gender-related crosses.”
First of all, I’m not sure this is a fact like you claim. Secondly, what in the world is a heavy gender related cross? Each gender has it's own particular challenges.
“However, is it not the case that, while still in the womb, the default of all of generic man is female – until, in some cases, a spurt of some hormone leads to the formation and birth of males. So, while Eve may have been taken from Adam’s side, Adam would have been inchoately female, before bifurcating into his male sexuality.”
Axel, come on and think a little here! Why would Adam have ever been “inchoately female”? Are you suggested he developed in a woman’s womb for 9 months and went through the same changes you and I did? I don’t think so. God created Him directly from the dust of the earth. And the Scripture does say that the creation of man before woman is significant and speaks to our God-given roles. Women being taken from the side of man is also said to be significant and a hint at the God given roles she has. But even if you are right, even if Adam had a stage where he was female before he became male, what does that have to do with anything? To become a male that is what happens. So what! Why do you think there is special meaning in that? You are going way way beyond what Scripture tells us. If this is your opinion, fine, but there is really no Scriptural basis for this type of wild speculation.
“Is it then the case – the medical profession must have terms to designate the respective stages of development, before and after the injection of the catalysing male hormone – that the default, pre-catalysis female state of all of us is mirrored in the virginity of Mary, the Second Eve, as Catholic spiritual writers sometimes refer to her? It would be a nice consonance, wouldn’t it?”
Wow! This is really far out there! Is this how Catholics do theology? You think the default, precatalysis female state of all of us is mirrored in the virginity of Mary? What??? Come again? What in the world does that mean? Why would you think that anyway? What support do you have for such speculation? You are going way beyond what the Bible says here. The Second Eve? What does that mean? Axel, I don’t know where you are getting your beliefs from, but it is certainly not from God’s Word.tjguy
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Various questions concerning Adam and Eve, their relative spirituality in comparison with each other, and which is the default, have arisen in my mind over the years, and seem to have a general bearing on this issue. I will begin, if I may, by copying (with additions) some paragraphs from a post I addressed to a Christian forum, yesterday: 'What I do firmly believe, as a matter of everyday observation, is that women are innately more spiritual than men - like the angels, who are pure spirits, for better or worse. They just tend to be more sensitive, more tuned-in to the supernatural. Even men's facial hair is suggestive of a greater level of carnality, isn't it? Of course we are dealing here with mysteries. I mean, despite the fact that our scripture and tradition has afforded the church an enormous fund of wisdom concerning our human conduct and our destinies, the Bible itself is very mysterious, full of mystery, nevertheless. But it has also occurred to me that in their worldly abasement*, their kind of 'spare rib' anonymity, as part of our faith as well, women may well be closer to God the Father in his eternal essence. 'From the womb, before the Day-Star, I begot you' - Psalm 110. In addition, the fact of the Virgin Mary bearing the only-begotten Son of the Father, would seem to suggest a pretty remarkable degree of intimacy with Him, doesn't it? Quite apart from considerations concerning our exalted and much cherished Mariology, a contentious issue to most Protestant denominations, in one of the prayers in the Roman Catholic breviary, Mary is described as 'the highest honour of our race', so characterizing the Catholic church's attitude to women as demeaning, etc, is clearly a very facile, mistaken judgement. The fact is, we are all given different roles to play, and surely, the fact of women being essentially more spiritual would entail that they would bear heavier, gender-related crosses. 'Top-weights' in Life's handicap, in horse-racing terms. To a degree, to be born a woman, is to be called to a greater degree of poverty of spirit, endemic to women's historic, societal status in virtually all societies. However, is it not the case that, while still in the womb, the default of all of generic man is female - until, in some cases, a spurt of some hormone leads to the formation and birth of males. So, while Eve may have been taken from Adam's side, Adam would have been inchoately female, before bifurcating into his male sexuality. Initially, I was thinking along the lines of Christ's being cloned of the Virgin Mary, but I believe the cloned cell is, in the parlance of you boffins, as far as I can make out, 'front-loaded, with all that is necessary for development conserved within it. Is it then the case - the medical profession must have terms to designate the respective stages of development, before and after the injection of the catalysing male hormone - that the default, pre-catalysis female state of all of us is mirrored in the virginity of Mary, the Second Eve, as Catholic spiritual writers sometimes refer to her? It would be a nice consonance, wouldn't it? *'Self-abasing', here, in spiritual, not worldly terms.Axel
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An important issue here, and (as always) I appreciate Dr Torley's contribution to it, my general agreement with Bill Carroll notwithstanding. If I could find time to engage everyone in this (Coyne, Carroll, and Torley), I would; but, the reality is that many such conversations will happen only in a better place, at a happier time (if God is more generous to Mr Coyne than Mr Coyne is to God). I will respond to just one aspect of Dr Torley's commentary--namely, his quotation from Cardinal Bellarmine, which is not exactly quoted out of context (Bellarmine's position is accurately stated in the passage quoted), but the context is not given--and it's quite important, if we want to see fully what he was saying. I've written about the context at length in an article that is available only in print, but of course that is no barrier to anyone who wants to dig into this more deeply: Edward B. Davis and Elizabeth Chmielewski, “Galileo and the Garden of Eden: Historical Reflections on Creationist Hermeneutics.” In Nature and Scripture in the Abrahamic Religions: 1700 Present, ed. Jitse M. van der Meer and Scott H. Mandelbrote, 2 vols. (Leiden and Boston: Brill Academic Publishers, 2008), vol. 2, pp. 437 64. (http://www.brill.nl/nature-and-scripture-abrahamic-religions-1700-present) Some of the things we say there can be found in a column I did for BioLogos a few months ago: http://biologos.org/blog/galileo-and-the-garden-of-eden-part-1 and http://biologos.org/blog/galileo-and-the-garden-of-eden-part-2 To cut to the chase (leaving out the subtleties, which are quite important as Dr Torley and I both realize), Bellarmine was saying, in context, that biblical teaching about astronomy (specifically, about the Earth being at rest and the Sun in motion) is no less authoritative than biblical teaching about Abraham or the Virgin Birth. In other words: b/c the Holy Ghost wrote all of scripture, challenging biblical astronomy puts on onto a slippery slope that ultimately undermines the deity of Christ. I have no reason to think that Dr Torley is either a geocentrist (as Bellarmine was) or a creationist (in the common YEC sense), but I do see striking parallels between Bellarmine's attitude in 1615 and that of YECs now (including both heliocentric and geocentric proponents of the YEC view). It's not clear to me where (if at all) Dr Torley's position differs from that of Bellarmine, and therefore from that of the YECs whom I wrote about in my article. I'm sure it must, but it's not clear to me just where.Ted Davis
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I thought science has pretty much proven that Adam and Eve never existed due to population genetics? If that is the case then Christianity falls apart. It seems now Christians are trying to scramble and reconcile this with theories like Adam is Hebrew for mankind or he was the first human to evolve or he was a king of a tribe or the account is allegorical etc. Perhaps it is time to admit that Genesis is wrong and move on. I would like to believe in Adam and Eve as much as the next guy but it doesn’t seem tenable anymore. Also, how can Michael Behe believe in human evolution/common ancestry and still be an ID proponent?JLAfan2001
August 29, 2012
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Hi Robert, Thank you for your post. I won't argue with you about the evidence for human evolution - although Professor Mike Behe's point about humans lacking the ability to synthesize vitamin C strikes me as impressive, and the fossil evidence is quite good too. But I'm quite sure that God had a direct hand in making us human, both at the physical and spiritual levels. You might call that creation, if you like. Of one thing we can be quite certain, though. Scripture speaks clearly of an original couple. Associate Professor Kenneth Kemp, a Catholic scholar who is the author of a recent article on Adam and Eve, entitled, Science, Theology and Monogenesis (American Catholic Philosophical Quarterly, 2011, Vol. 85, No. 2, pp. 217-236), believes that there were just two rational human beings at the dawn of human history, but he also believes, bizarrely, that their descendants inter-bred with thousands of biologically human creatures that lacked the capacity to reason: in other words, people mated with animals. One weighty reason for rejecting Kemp's polygenistic scenario regarding human origins is that it is at odds with the Genesis account on at least eight points, and that it is manifestly incompatible with what the writer(s) of Genesis intended to convey. 1. In Genesis 1:25, we are told that God made "all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds", before making mankind in His own image (Genesis 1:26), and telling them to "rule over ...every living creature that moves on the ground" (Genesis 1:28). The image of God cannot exist without a rational soul. From a Genesis perspective, then, any sub-rational hominids existing at the dawn of humanity would have been of a different kind from Adam. What's more, Adam ruled over them. The idea, then, of Adam's descendants mating with these creatures, as Professor Kemp has suggested they did, would have seemed ridiculously incongruous to the human author of Genesis 1. 2. In Genesis 2:18, God says, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him" (NIV). This does not fit with Professor Kemp’s suggestion that there were biologically human women lacking rational souls who were contemporary with Adam – for these could have assuaged his loneliness. Professor Kemp might object that these females would have been poor conversationalists, since they lacked the use of reason, and that Adam would still have been unsatisfied. But here again, the Genesis account contradicts him. For in Genesis 2:23, upon seeing Eve for the first time, Adam exults, "At last! This is bone from my bones and flesh from my flesh" (Complete Jewish Bible). In other words, according to the human author of Genesis, the mere fact that Eve shared a common physical nature with Adam was enough to make her a suitable companion. On Professor Kemp's account, that makes no sense: a biologically human female is not necessarily rational. 3. In Genesis 2:19, God brings all the animals to Adam to name them, "and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name." Since Adam's biologically human contemporaries were of a different kind than himself, what did he call them? Humans? Obviously not – that was the name of his kind. If Adam didn’t call them human, then why does Professor Kemp? 4. In Genesis 3:14-19, God puts curses on the serpent and on the human race. Obviously the curses would not apply to Adam’s biologically human contemporaries because they did nothing wrong. God says that he will put enmity between the serpent's seed (or offspring) and the woman’s seed (i.e. the human race). Were Adam's biologically human contemporaries unafraid of snakes, then? Then God tells the woman that she will suffer pain in childbirth and that her husband will rule over her. Are we supposed to believe, then, that Eve’s biologically human sub-rational contemporaries, whose pelvises were the same size as hers, did not suffer pain in childbirth? Finally, in Genesis 3:19, God tells Adam, "By the sweat of your brow, you will eat your food until you return to the ground." Are we supposed to believe, then, that Adam’s biologically human sub-rational contemporaries managed to obtain their daily food without breaking a sweat, while Adam, despite his superior intelligence, is forced to work for a living? 5. In Genesis 3:20, Adam calls his wife Eve, "because she would become the mother of all the living." But if Kemp’s biological polygenism is correct, then Eve would have merely been a mother of all the living, rather than the mother. 6. In Genesis 4:13, after being found out for his crime of murdering Abel, Cain laments that whoever finds him will kill him. But this only makes sense if the person who finds Cain hates him for murdering his brother. To hate someone for committing a murder presupposes rationality. In Genesis 4:14-15, God declares that anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance – again indicating that they are rational beings, or otherwise they could not be punished. Incidentally, these verses serve to utterly refute Professor Kemp's "Scriptural" argument for polygenism. Kemp argues that "the account of the exile of Cain (Gen 4:14–17) assumes the existence of other men in the world without giving an account of their creation." But the men spoken of in Genesis 4:14-17 are clearly rational; hence according to Kemp’s own account, they must be descendants of Adam and Eve, as he admits that they were the only two rational human beings in the beginning. 7. In Genesis 4:16, Cain is banished from his community, and chooses to dwell in the land of Nod, to the east of Eden. Now, we are told in Genesis 5:4 that Adam and Eve had many other sons and daughters. If Cain did not take one of his sisters with him, then how, on Professor Kemp’s account, did God intend him to find a wife? Or was he meant to start a family with a sub-rational animal? Is that what God wanted? 8. In Genesis 6:19, Noah is told to take into the ark a pair of every kind of creature. Since Adam's biologically human contemporaries were of a different kind from Adam, who was made in God’s image, then are we to presume that they were taken on the Ark too, as beasts? Polygenism and Scripture don't mix, period.vjtorley
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Evangelical Protestant YEC here. lots of material here but the great point is the bible says all folks come from Adam/Eve. The bible is the word of God or it isn't. God would get it right. its up to critics of genesis to prove men come from apes and so on and not from Adam. Where is the evidence? Either God or excellent evidence from nature must frame conclusions here.Robert Byers
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