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Does the order of nature point to a divine mind?

Denyse O'Leary
March 12, 2023
Intelligent Design, Naturalism, theism
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Prof Saleem Ali of the University of Delaware is author of Earthly Order: How natural laws define human life. He describes the way order in the universe drives order in human and social settings. He engages with Dr Stephen Meyer of the Discovery Institute, whose book The Return of the God Hypothesis makes the case that order in nature points to a divine mind.

With Justin Brierley at the Unbelievable? podcast.

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Jerry @8,
If ID proponents remove any association of ID with religion, they are only part way there.
The *founders* of the ID movement specified that ID would take NO POSITION on the source of the intelligent design. -QQuerius
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Relatd @7,
So, you assert it could be aliens. Based on what?
No, I believe that . . .
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. John 1:1-3 (NASB)
But ID takes NO POSITION on the source of the intelligent design. Why? Because the scriptures are taken by faith and such scriptures are inspired and not accessible to the scientific method. -QQuerius
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If ID proponents remove any association of ID with religion, they are only part way there. The next big step is assessing the truth and proclaiming it. That will be hard. It will mean endorsing most of the neo Darwinian evolution theory but only that which is obviously true. Then the limitations of neo Darwinism can be highlighted. This will focus the debate on the only thing that counts. Changing people’s beliefs by asserting most of what they know is true but an important part is at best speculation. No more Darwin bashing. No more atheist bashing. It will be hard to get it right.jerry
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Querius at 8, So, you assert it could be aliens. Based on what?relatd
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Relatd @4,
How do you know this?
It's because the definition of ID takes NO POSITION on the identity of the designer. ID starts with an unknown biological structure, function, or cycle and attempts to reverse bio-engineer it AS IF IT WAS DESIGNED. Unlike Darwinism, which presumes something as junk (such as "junk" DNA) or a vestige of evolution (such as what were once considered to be "vestigial" organs such as the thyroid), ID looks for design and purpose, and so far has not been embarrassed in such investigation. -QQuerius
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Guys, get your stories straight.Alan Fox
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"As far as ID is concerned the intelligent design might have come from a highly advanced alien civilization, in which the earth is essentially a test tube from an experiment in a basic biochemistry lab." How do you know this?relatd
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Jerry @2,
ID supports many religions but does not point to any specific one.
No, ID doesn't support any religion. It takes no position on religion. As far as ID is concerned the intelligent design might have come from a highly advanced alien civilization, in which the earth is essentially a test tube from an experiment in a basic biochemistry lab. -QQuerius
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What does the word “divine” mean? It usually means religious. But what religion. ID supports many religions but does not point to any specific one. In the God hypothesis, Meyer definitely does not point to any specific religion as a result of ID.jerry
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The order that is evident comes from God. To deny God is to deny the laws of physics, since they could not have come about randomly.BobRyan
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