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DrREC writes that the concept of “specification” is a tautology, because in determining if something is designed, ID proponents start from the assumption that it is designed.  He gives a poker example to illustrate his point:  “A straight flush is an interesting example – out of 2.6 million poker hands, there are 40 straight flushes.  Which is the specification – getting one of them, or any of them?  Or any hand better than your opponent’s?  Choosing the specification inserts a design assumption – that 1 of the flushes, or all of them are what was ‘specified.’” 

Let’s take DrREC up on his challenge and consider what a design inference might mean in a poker game.  First, we need to consider what a search for “design” in poker even means.  To do this I will define a “fair game” as a game in which the cards are properly randomized (i.e., thoroughly shuffled) and properly dealt to the players in each hand.  In a fair game, by definition, the hand each player receives in each hand is completely random.  On the other hand, we are warranted in making a design inference ONLY if we find evidence that leads us to conclude that a player has received a hand or series of hands that are not random AND the cause of that deviation from randomness is the intentional acts of an agent (commonly called “cheating”). 

Let’s look at the math.  DrREC is correct in at least two respects.  There are approximately 2.6 million five card poker hands (2,598,960 to be precise) and of those hands there are 40 combinations that result in a straight flush (including royal flushes, which some people consider a different hand).  This means that on any given hand the odds of being dealt a straight flush are 40/2,598,960 or 1/64,974.  Now those are pretty long odds, but they are well within the powers of simple chance.  And in fact this is verified by our experience.  We also know that players regularly receive straight flushes in fair games.   

Therefore, using the explanatory filter to make a design inference based upon a player being dealt a single straight flush is not possible.  In other words, if all we know is that one player (let’s call him “Larry”) received one straight flush, we have no warrant to conclude that the null hypothesis (i.e., that it is a fair game) has been falsified.  We must conclude that the best explanation for this event is “chance.” 

But that is not the end of the analysis.  Suppose on the very next hand Larry gets another straight flush.  What are the odds of that happening?  It is important to keep in mind that we are not talking about the odds of the single event.  If we look at each event independently, the odds for each event are the same (i.e., 1/64,974).  Failing to understand this leads to the ruin if many gamblers like a craps player betting on “12” because it is “due.”  On any given roll of the dice the odds of getting “12” are 1/36 whether “12” has not come up in an hour or it came up on the last roll.  

This is not to say, however, that we cannot calculate the odds of a particular series of events.  Take a coin flip for example.  The odds of getting heads is ½ and the odds of getting tails is also ½.  This is true on any given flip.  But are the odds of getting three heads in a row also ½?  The answer is “no.”  The odds of a series of events is simply the odds of each of the events multiplied together.  Thus, the odds of getting three heads in a row is ½ X ½ X ½ = 1/8.  

In the same way we can calculate the odds of Larry getting two straight flushes in a row.  Those odds are  1/64,974 X  1/64,974 = 1/4,221,620, 676 or about 1 in 4.2 trillion.  Those are very very long odds.  Still, however, the odds are not long enough to warrant a design inference.  With millions of poker players in the world, billions of poker hands get played every day.  Therefore, over the course of a not-too-long time, trillions of hands will be played and common sense says that over the course of 4.2 trillion hands there is an even chance there will be two straight flushes in a row.  This too is confirmed by experience.  I searched the internet and it did not take me long to find a story of a game in which a player received two straight flushes in a row in a game everyone believed was fair. 

We’re not done yet.  What if Larry gets 10 straight flushes in a row?  What are the odds?  The odds are 1/64,974^10 or approximately 1/1.34^48.  That’s 1 in 1.34 raised to the power of 48.  If every person who ever lived played one poker hand per second from the big bang until now, we would not expect any of them to receive 10 straight flushes in a row.  Now, perhaps, we are warranted in making a design inference. 

But wait!  This is where DrREC’s objection comes in.  We cannot make a design inference merely because the sequence of hands is highly improbable, because if we take ANY random set of 40 hands, the odds of receiving one of those 40 hands ten times in a row is EXACTLY THE SAME as the odds of receiving a straight flush ten times in a row.  Therefore, we are not warranted in making a design inference. 

Well, if I were playing Larry and he kept getting straight flush after straight flush I would have a strong intuition that someone was cheating.  But is that intuition grounded in anything other than my feelings?  Is there a rigorous way to demonstrate design? 

First, let’s give DrREC his due.  He is correct.  The odds of receiving one of the hands in any random set of 40 hands is exactly the same as the odds of receiving 40 straight flushes in a row.  He is also correct that merely because an event is extraordinarily unlikely, a design inference is not warranted, because the probability of ANY series of ten hands is extremely low and that series of ten hands will probably never happen again from now until the heat death of the universe.  

So is it really true that our design inference is based on nothing but a feeling in our gut?  This is where William Dembski’s work is so important.  Dr. Dembski would say that a design inference is warranted if the event in question displays “complex specific information.”  Here everyone agrees there is “information.”  Within the rules of poker the cards contain a clearly recognizable semiotic system.  Everyone also agrees that our event is complex (i.e., highly improbable).  The only issue is whether the complex information is also “specified.”  Dembski writes:  “The distinction between specified and unspecified information may now be defined as follows: the actualization of a possibility (i.e., information) is specified if independently of the possibility’s actualization, the possibility is identifiable by means of a pattern.”  

In our case we have a pattern.  The pattern is called “ten straight flushes in a row.”  This pattern is not post hoc, because the concept of “straight flush” was clearly known and defined well before the ten hand series was ever dealt.  Therefore, ID theory posits that the ten hand series displays a high degree of complex specified information and therefore the best explanation for its existence is “design by an intelligent agent.”

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What does the probability of outcomes from a human (designed) game with finite outcomes of known probability have to do with the circularity of detecting design with design? I'd say 1 in 10^-49 (or whatever it works out to) is pretty improbable. Some might think 1 in 10^-14 is unlikely but these folks did it: http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-12-12/news/17573919_1_lottery-tickets-superlotto-fantasy-five But lets us add design back in-How would you disconfirm a design inference (that they cheated)? Choose to give them the money, or send them to jail? Defend your answer. Or maybe just defend the non-circularity of the pulsar question. Using the detected pattern to infer design went quite badly in that example.DrREC
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If life isn't a specification then explain why we hear every other day that some distant planet has the conditions to support life. Why would anyone assume that there were any conditions to meet. It's not that a sea urchin or sparrow is a specific target. But the only available explanation for them, both from the semiotic information contained in their smallest components to the arrangement of those components to form a self-replicating entity, is that someone did set them as their target. Someone did specify first and implement second, and then perhaps specify modifications and then implement them. The Eiffel Tower didn't have to be the Eiffel Tower. Any number of different targets could have been specified. Does that open the door to explaining the Eiffel Tower without someone specifying and implementing? Is there an alternative explanation? Sure, there are plenty of possible targets. That's a bit like reasoning that a comprehensible paragraph in English isn't really specified because there are so many possible paragraphs that no one can even count them. But try achieving one without specification. It's the same old silly argument that that there are so many possible combinations of chemicals that reproduce and perform functions and eventually discover and discuss themselves, etc., etc., that they routinely pop up. Except you don't know of any others and can't explain the one in front of you. Your entire argument depends on the unsupported assertion that somewhere out there are alternate life forms which also arose naturally to demonstrate that ours was not a "target." Imagining more targets makes hitting this one seem less improbable. Your reasoning depends entirely upon imagined possibilities. Like any fantasy, they provide escape when the reality in front of us is undesirable. Even if you discovered one of these alternate non-targeted life forms, if you don't have a natural explanation and it's saturated with evidence of planning and design as our current form is, how would that strengthen your argument? Does finding a new paragraph in English strengthen the argument that they don't require design because there are just so darn many possibilities? The alarms should start going off as soon as your logic depends on the existence of alternate possibilities that not only have never have been observed, but were only imagined because your logic requires them. Sorry, that's a bit of a rant.ScottAndrews2
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Let me ask you this DrREC, would you make a design inference if your opponent were dealt ten straight flushes in a row?Barry Arrington
December 14, 2011
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I'll give you a hint: In the pulsar example, if the pattern was specified beforehand (say 30 digets of pi) we might conclude design. SETI would be psyched. But in biology, you take post-hoc human specifications-"designs" that describe nature, after scientific investigation, and use them to detect "design." Maybe someone should PREdict a design.DrREC
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Lets do one more example- Pulsars often have a complex behavior. But is it specified? If we took the pattern of pulses we detect as the "design specification"-the pattern we search for, we would conclude yes. Totally and undeniably circular.DrREC
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" isn’t playing with a full deck anyway." "then the train has left the station and gone off the rails." Thanks for the insults Scott, but none of this relates to my original point.DrREC
December 14, 2011
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Would't it be correct to say that no randomly dealt hand contains any specified information? The abundance of specified information would be created by someone taking a deck of cards and deliberately selecting a straight flush, and then doing it nine more times. Given the ease of doing this deliberately vs. the near impossibility of doing it accidentally, the result is more rationally attributed to the former than to the latter. Deliberate action is well know to be capable of such arrangements and is therefore the obvious explanation. It doesn't matter how the straight flush is specified, only that it is. Take any random hand and use it as the specification and it changes nothing. This is silly. We're using detailed scenarios and math to illustrate common sense. Anyone who doesn't know that ten straight flushes in a row is rigged isn't playing with a full deck anyway. If someone is willing to dispute that, then the train has left the station and gone off the rails.ScottAndrews2
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"Information is specified if independently of the possibility’s actualization, the possibility is identifiable by means of a pattern.” The pattern is of human design in an attempt to describe nature (which doesn't seek any design target). Using the pattern (design) to detect design is circular.DrREC
December 14, 2011
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Wow, a whole post about me. "This is where DrREC’s objection comes in. We cannot make a design inference merely because the sequence of hands is highly improbable, because if we take ANY random set of 40 hands, the odds of receiving one of those 40 hands ten times in a row is EXACTLY THE SAME as the odds of receiving a straight flush ten times in a row. Therefore, we are not warranted in making a design inference." Unfortunately, that was NOT my objection. Or it is an obtuse restatement of it Try again. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ken-millers-strawman-no-threat-to-id/comment-page-1/#comment-411992 It is much simpler: choosing a "straight flush" from other straight flushes, or all other hands is a act of selection, of target specification, or design. In nature, this is like holding up, say, aldolase reductase, declaring it to be a target that must exist, in no way is substitutable, and conforms to a narrow form and function. You in a sense "designed" its specification, the way humans designed a "straight flush" in the game of poker. Could someone calculate the fsci of a straight flush for me-it would illustrate what I mean by the design bias in picking a specification.DrREC
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