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Ed Feser and Intelligent Design, Pt. 1 – ID is not an Apologetic!

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I’m going to do a series of posts analyzing a talk given by renowned Thomist philosopher Ed Feser. The full video is available at the end of this post. In any case, the Thomists are well worth responding to, given that they are some of the most vocal Christian critics of Intelligent Design. Or are they? I contend that the biggest issue is that the Thomists misunderstand what Intelligent Design is, much the same way that atheists and creationists do.

From the first part of the video, Feser criticizes ID because – lo and behold – ID is not worthwhile as an apologetic! I wonder if Feser realizes that perhaps the reason that ID is not a worthwhile apologetic is because it was never meant to be one?

Here’s what Feser says:

(a) arguments from the world to the existence of God should be based on a philosophy of nature NOT on natural science
(b) philosophy of nature, while being objective, is not a science in the modern sense of the term
(c) arguments from science alone cannot get you to classical theism, because the arguments could also point to a variety of other possibilities including pantheism, animism, demiurges, etc.
(d) ID, taken alone, does not give you classical theism

Now, I should point out – isn’t this exactly what ID’ers have said all along? ID does not function in the place of apologetics – one requires additional, *philosophical* arguments in order to use ID to argue for God.

Thus, I believe that the Thomistic issues with ID are based on a misunderstanding of what ID’ers are trying to do. Instead of analyzing ID as part of the sciences (such as biology and chemistry), they are improperly comparing ID with a philosophy of nature, and coming to the (correct) conclusion that ID doesn’t work as a large-scale philosophy of nature.

Dear Thomists – please consider ID as it is offered, not for what you wish it to be!

Comments
Indeed, ID is not an apologetic. I would even argue it is consistent with atheism: http://appliedintelligentdesign.blogspot.com/2012/07/intelligent-design-and-atheism-are.html It is even consistent with materialism, if one can hypothesize some form of intelligent matter. The one thing ID is not consistent with is all forms of determinism.Eric Holloway
August 8, 2012
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I do have a question for Johnnyb, though. Did I understand you to say on another thread that ID *does* presuppose design?StephenB
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Whatever Feser's issues I enjoy reading his critiques of ID. They do make me think. Some things don't.tragic mishap
August 7, 2012
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Thank God. I'd much rather read this than long threads about ID and the social sciences. Ugh. If you want to do theology, do theology.tragic mishap
August 7, 2012
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Feser's objections are based both on a misunderstanding of Aquinas (He thinks St. Thomas' philosophy of nature requires secondary causality--it doesn't) and a misunderstanding of ID (he thinks ID rules out secondary causality--it doesn't). Apparently, he doesn't read ID literature and, even after repeated requests, provides no quotes from the Angelic Doctor to support his anti-ID posture. At the same time, he ignores quotes provided by Jay Richards, VJTorley, and others (including yours truly) to show that he is misinterpreting St. Thomas. I have never heard him use the word "evidence" in any presentation, and he appears to be impervious to correction. Several of us have made it clear that the Thomistic philosophy of nature is readily compatible with ID.StephenB
August 7, 2012
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Feser's points are deranged as presented. If (a) is true then we can logic our way to God, or the Nothing, or the FSM, or what have you, by way of extending our knowledge backwards to unresolvable epistemic ignorance. But then (c) cannot be true. For modern science attempts to argue backwards through time in an absurd number of cases. To extend our knowledge backwards to unresolvable epistemic ignorance. This requires that Feser does not accept ID or Darwinism as science, and so suitable for apologetics, or that he does accept them as science. But if he accepts them as science then he accepts that science can argue successfully backwards into epistemic ignorance and so science is suitable for apologetics. This is simply not a resolvable affair. Even if you split the notion, as I do, of ID and Evolution over the use of the theory. Where the empiricism is science, and the non-empirical time-machine dregs are pure philosophy.Maus
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I wonder if Feser realizes that perhaps the reason that ID is not a worthwhile apologetic is because it was never meant to be one? Feser's reply is going to be (based on what I've read of him) that not only is ID not an apologetic, but that the metaphysical assumptions ID requires to get off the ground are utterly incompatible with the metaphysical assumptions of classical theism, including Thomism, which he himself defends. So the problem isn't just that ID doesn't get one to God. It's that ID, in Feser's view, takes on away from a proper understanding of (and actual arguments for) God. It's a little like a hypothetical mormon argument for an intelligent designer. Such an argument would conceivably require materialism to be assumed at the outset. It wouldn't do good to reply to a classical theist, "Okay, so the argument doesn't get you to God. But it does get you to an intelligent designer, and that's progress!" because the classical theist will reject materialism from the outset - so in their view there's been no progress at all. Just more error.nullasalus
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