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Elizabeth Liddle’s Revisionism is Astonishingly Audacious!

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In a prior post I took Dr. Liddle (sorry for the misspelled name) to task for this statement:

“Darwinian hypotheses make testable predictions and ID hypotheses (so far) don’t.”

I responded that this was not true and noted that:

For years Darwinists touted “junk DNA” as not just any evidence but powerful, practically irrefutable evidence for the Darwinian hypothesis. ID proponents disagreed and argued that the evidence would ultimately demonstrate function.

Not only did both hypotheses make testable predictions, the Darwinist prediction turned out to be false and the ID prediction turned out to be confirmed

Liddle resonds:

Sorry Barry that that example simply does not work.

Darwinian theory would only predict unused sequences of DNA were it to be the case that unused sequences had no metabolic or other cost . . .

And I will be first in line to cite Darwinian hypotheses that have been falsified. But not the “junk DNA” hypothesis.

Nor will I accept that “no junk DNA” was a positive prediction of ID. It is neither positive, nor is it a prediction.

Dr. Liddle, have you no shame? All I can say is your revisionist history is stunning in its scope and audacity.

Whole books were written by ID proponents about the Darwinist myth of junk DNA. See here.

The ID position has now been largely vindicated and the Darwinist position debunked.

You know that. Therefore, I simply cannot imagine that you assert to the contrary in good faith. If I did not know better, charity would demand that I ascribe your statements to near invincible ignorance. Sadly, that option is not open to me. Therefore, I can only conclude that you are willfully and mendaciously misrepresenting the record.

You made a false statement in the prior post. I posted a second post calling you out. Instead of conceding or retracting you doubled down. Will you double down again or will you retract?

 

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F/N: Again, I don't believe ID was arguing against scientific papers on Darwinism predicting Junk DNA. It was in counter to some evolutionary theorists of Darwinism, that Junk DNA is *expected* and therefore used as evidence against ID. Again, Mattick & Dinger sum it up quite well:
Excerpt: ” the argument of a largely non-functional genome is invoked by some evolutionary theorists in the debate against the proposition of intelligent design of life on earth, particularly with respect to the origin of humanity. In essence, the argument posits that the presence of non-protein-coding or so-called ‘junk DNA’ that comprises 90% of the human genome is evidence for the accumulation of evolutionary debris by blind Darwinian evolution, and argues against intelligent design. Finally, we suggest that resistance to these (ENCODE) findings is further motivated in some quarters by the use of the dubious concept of junk DNA as evidence against intelligent design.” http://www.thehugojournal.com/.....66-7-2.pdf
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I think this is silly and very counter prouctive. Just let Elizabeth's opinions hang out there and then refute them. I will purchase the Kindle edition of Wells book as soon as I find my Kindle. It is always nice to cite facts but it is more to read. I personally believe the junk DNA thing is a red herring. The real issues lie elsewhere. It is important to investigate all the genome for possible function including the germinating pool for new proteins.jerry
October 4, 2013
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BA, I wouldn't ban her, just put forth the case for ID regarding Junk DNA and let people make up their own mind on the matter. I would also ask EL if there are any scientific papers, in which Darwinism predicts more function?equate65
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Lizzie's been banned for asking questions? You have got to me kidding me! UD Editors: No, she has been banned for the reasons I have stated, and you know it.Kantian Naturalist
October 4, 2013
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Elizabeth Liddle doubles down yet again. She is no longer with us. BTW, anyone who wants to can link to Well's book in the OP and see the documentary evidence. Barry Arrington
October 4, 2013
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Barry, can you cite a scientific paper that makes a prediction, derived from Darwinian theory, that large parts of the genome will be non-functional? Can you also find an ID paper that predicts that all DNA will be functional? Can you also find any paper that shows that all DNA is functional?Elizabeth B Liddle
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No, KN. Revisionism means this: Darwinists for decades: “Junk DNA is powerful evidence for Darwinism.” ID Proponents (including but not limited to Wells) in response: “No, you’re wrong. Your argument is an argument from ignorance. The fact that we have not found function does not mean it won’t be found, and we predict that it will.” Darwinists: "Shut up! Theocratic cranks like you should go sit in the corner." HT to UB TIME PASSES The facts as we now know them: The Darwinists were wrong all of those years. The concept of “junk DNA” was in fact a myth. Liddle’s Revisionism: No one ever said that Darwinism predicted junk DNA. ID proponents never predicted junk DNA would be debunked. As I said, astonishing in its audacity really.Barry Arrington
October 4, 2013
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If "revisionist" means "disagreeing with Wells," then yes, but not otherwise.Kantian Naturalist
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