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Enceladus: ET life researchers, talk to OOL researchers!

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possible Enceladus interior/NASA/JPL-Caltech

And both groups should quit talking to journalists.

Creation-Evolution Headlines draws readers attention to the way in which popular science media immediately make the leap from recent possible evidence for a subsurface ocean on Saturn’s moon Enceladus to speculations that Enceladus, Saturn’s sixth larget moon (size of Arizona) might host life. For example, science journalist Richard A. Kerr:

“Suspicions that Saturn’s icy moon Enceladus harbors an internal ocean—one that could host life—have hardened into near certainty with exquisitely precise observations from the Cassini spacecraft,” he began. His ending mentioned life twice: “Such strong support for a sea beneath the spouting plumes of Enceladus should encourage scientists, mostly Cassini team members, who want NASA to send a new mission to Enceladus to explore for life,” he stated, also speaking of the possibility of “life-laden waters” under Enceladus.

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Enceladus before PR ambulance arrived

The popular media, predictably, focused on life:

“The findings … will boost the view that the 500km-wide moon would be one of the best places beyond Earth to go look for the existence of microbial life.” (BBC News)

“Saturn Moon Harbors Ocean, Raising Possibility of Life.” (National Geographic)

“New gravity readings suggest it hosts a subsurface sea the size of Lake Superior at its south pole — and that this liquid water is in direct contact with the moon’s core, which is rich in nutrients. Both findings boost hopes that the sea hosts life.” (New Scientist)

“Will Ocean Discovery On Enceladus Spur Life-Hunting Missions to Icy Moons of Saturn, Jupiter?” (Space.com – Mike Wall uses word “life” six times)


Wow. Six times. And life has never been officially spotted anywhere but on Earth, though similar claims have been made for Jupiter’s moon Europa. Cassini’s probe has, ofcourse, made Enceladus a current focus.

Isn’t the real problem here the fact that the origin of life researchers are finding out some things that the life in the universe researchers don’t want to face up to? As engineer Arminius Mignea’s engineering specifications shows, it is very, very difficult, and perhaps impossible, for the simplest self-replicator to get started even on Earth just by chance (but those are the rules the researchers want to play by). To export all the OOL problems to Enceladus on the basis of the mere possibility of liquid water testifies to the strength of desire, not the power of reason.

The problem is, any rational assessment would begin by concluding that life could possibly be constructed by design in the lab but by chance nowhere. Which rules out most origin of life theories immediately. Here or elsewhere in the universe.

See also:

Science-Fictions-square.gif With Enceladus the toast of the solar system, here’s a wrap-up of the origin-of-life problem

Science-Fictions-square.gif  The Science Fictions series at your fingertips (origin of life)

Note: Apparently, ScienceDaily was uncharacteristically modest in it claims.

3 Replies to “Enceladus: ET life researchers, talk to OOL researchers!

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    tjguy says:

    How would the Standard Model explain where this water deep underground came from?

    The problem is exacerbated when it comes to earth!

    If the Big Bang is the proper explanation for the origin of our solar system, where did all the water come from?



    These two articles speak of recent evidence for a deep deep ocean larger than the surface ocean! How in the world can cosmology explain this?!

    Can this water on Enceladus and in the depths of the earth(&/or the oceans too) be explained without resorting to a ‘God of the gaps’ argument?

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    Dionisio says:

    How can they sterilize the craft with equipment they send there, to avoid contamination of that environment with earthly bacteria?
    Or can they do all the analysis without touching the surface of that object?
    BTW, I saw ET in a movie theater in Madrid in 1983. That was the first time my wife and I took our first daughter to a movie. Is that the ET they’re looking for? It’s been a long time since then, but as far as I can recall, that nice creature was picked up by his relatives and taken away from our planet. However, I don’t remember where exactly they went to. Otherwise I would gladly provide that information to the SETI folks. But maybe some of the SETI guys saw that film too? I’m sorry they have squandered so much money and time on that search. 🙁

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    DennisM says:

    Isn’t the earth’s abundant biosphere constantly spraying the farther planets with microorganisms under pressure of the solar wind? Is it possible that something could survive the harsh environment of space, and eventually find a home on Mars or elsewhere?
    I’m wondering about the possibility of finding life that turns out to be an extreme form of something identifiable on earth. I’ll appreciate anyone’s comments in that direction.

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