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The similarities.

Further to Censorship in science journalism,

Today, people have an unshakable faith in science. Newspaper articles often start with, “Scientists say…,” without ever actually naming the “scientists” as if the word is coming down from on high through the scientific priesthood. When involved in a debate, people often resort to, “The science says…,” or “What does the science say?” to support their argument. Science, it seems, is the Ultimate Authority. People believe that science can give us truth. We are told that we cannot trust ourselves, we must bow to the higher wisdom of science: [2] “We need to know that instinct is no substitute for the neutral evaluation of a hypothesis.” Otherwise intelligent people say this as if such things as absolute truth and “neutral evaluation” actually exist. More.

Good point re media tendency to uncritically accept “approved” science.

Some thoughts though: There is indeed “absolute truth” but humans rarely have access to it.

“Neutral evaluation” isn’t possible because everyone operates from a position, otherwise known as a bias. If you are a journalist, your bias is just where you happen to be standing. If one is writing a science story for Parents’ Magazine, one writes differently than one would write for This Week in Biology. Or for Japan Times or Today’s Baptist.

In addition to bias, there is also prejudice: The assignment of greater truth or excellence to what one prefers than the facts warrant. One can try to control for prejudice in journalism, but not bias. Put another way, the fact that a given scientist happens to be Japanese will necessarily be much more important to Japan Times than to a U.S.-based parents’ mag. That’s an inevitable bias. Prejudice would mean that that fact controls one’s understanding of the story, disregarding other factors.

The third element, the elevation of “science” to some sort of religion, is widespread among science journalists. It often prevents hard questions from being asked. Recently, we’ve been giving side glances to the growing uproar around “climate science” (sometimes one wonders if there is such a thing).

The one thing I can say for sure is, many science writers do approach climate change as if it were a religion. As if it were their duty to dismiss skepticism. I’ve witnessed that, and it felt embarrassing to the profession.

When such people say “the science is settled,” they mean somewhat the same thing as I mean by “I accept the teachings of the Catholic Church.” The difference is, they don’t recognize the trait in themselves. Many think they are doing science journalism when they would be better described as educating the public about what they believe, akin to the Mormons or the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

That’s why it is so important to keep saying, “There is no such thing as settled science.”

– O’Leary for News

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Acartia:
Both are true. In truth, we don’t know that we haven’t seen new species formed. After all, we discover new species every year. How do we know that they were not recently evolved.
Genetics? It should be fairly simple to determine if a species is part of a family or an entirely different form of life. However, it depends on how you want to define "species".
Regardless, we have seen natural selection many times in our life time. The concept of species is completely arbitrary.
So it's arbitrary, but it's totally okay if a scientist who believes in evolution uses the concept of species to explain how amphibians became reptiles and then mammals, right?
If you were to look at each generation from the first fish to humans, there would be no point at which you could say that the offspring are a different species than the parents.
Yes, you could. Evolution posits transitory forms between species. Fish grew legs and became amphibians, which again changed into reptiles, which in turn changed into mammals. Not that any real transitory forms have been found, but that's what the theory states happened.
It is only through hundreds of generations that you might see this. The argument that something can’t be true because we have never seen it is fallacious. We have also never actually observed the combining of one oxygen atom and two hydrogen atoms to form water.
It's called an argument from ignorance. Science uses it all the time to attempt to explain how the world works when they have some--but not all--information.
But, let’s assume that this argument is a valid one. Intelligent design must also be wrong because we have never seen the designer nor have we seen a new species being designed.
But design can be detected. Read the FAQ sometime.Barb
May 24, 2014
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@Barb 10: "In science, we have never observed one species evolving into another (amphibian to reptile, reptile to mammal, etc.). In science, we have never observed the origin of the universe." Both are true. In truth, we don't know that we haven't seen new species formed. After all, we discover new species every year. How do we know that they were not recently evolved. Regardless, we have seen natural selection many times in our life time. The concept of species is completely arbitrary. If you were to look at each generation from the first fish to humans, there would be no point at which you could say that the offspring are a different species than the parents. It is only through hundreds of generations that you might see this. The argument that something can't be true because we have never seen it is fallacious. We have also never actually observed the combining of one oxygen atom and two hydrogen atoms to form water. But, let's assume that this argument is a valid one. Intelligent design must also be wrong because we have never seen the designer nor have we seen a new species being designed.Acartia_bogart
May 24, 2014
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I don't think there is such a thing as settled science when dealing with "historical science." Consensus? Sure, but settled? Highly doubtful. Operational science, on the other hand, can be backed up with real time experimental observation and data. I can go along with the existence of settled science in the realm of operational science.tjguy
May 22, 2014
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A Bogart claims:
Global warming is based on very basic “settled science” about physics. What is not settled is the long term outcome.
The physics part of it might truly be fairly accepted, but the interpretation of what that means for us and why it is the way it is cannot be considered to be "settled science". Do instance, is man responsible for global warming? Or put a different way, if the earth really is warming, what is the cause? I doubt this can be conclusively determined in such a way as to view the answers to this as "settled science." One clue that shows this to be true is the differing opinions of scientists on this matter. This article referenced in a post here by B Arrington a few days ago explains this very well. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/05/why-global-warming-alarmism-isnt-science-2.php Yet you call global warming "settled science"? You are far too trusting for a true skeptic! Besides even "settled science" has been known to be overturned. Check out the old "geosynclinal theory" that was said to be as factual as evolution!tjguy
May 22, 2014
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Acartia:
Scuzzy man, I am glad that you agree that nothing can be considered “settled”. I assume that this also holds true for the existence of God.
Your cat can't be this obtuse, which is why he gets a pass. ScuzzaMan:
There is no such thing as “settled science”. The very phrase is an oxymoron
So Acartia (minus the cat, who probably knows better), are you one of those believers in science who maintains that nothing can be settled unless settled by science? Can science settle the question of whether nothing can be settled unless settled by science? Can science settle the question of whether or not God exists?Mung
May 21, 2014
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ScuzzaMan:
“proven” is worse, imho. Nothing in science can be proven, a la Popper. At best we may achieve a rising level of confidence in our theories, but that lasts only until a single counterexample renders them invalid.
I think Popper’s falsifiability is the problem. If a scientist performs an experiment to test a hypothesis and the hypothesis is true, then it’s proven science. For example: vaccinations are proven science. If a scientist observes something and bases a hypothesis on this, then it can also be considered proven science (for example, Jane Goodall’s observations of chimpanzees in the wild and their behavior). Yes, science is self-correcting and, yes, someday somebody might disprove the fact that vaccinations work to prevent outbreaks of disease or that Goodall’s observations were way off the mark, but I doubt that. Evolution is described as proven science without benefit of experimentation or observation.
What is wrong with just “science“?
Nothing. It’s just that some disciplines of science are purely theoretical and some are practical.
We observe, theorise, experiment, observe, repeat. That’s science. It worked pretty well for a long while. Can we not leave well enough alone?
We could, except for the fact that when evolution is being discussed it’s “settled.” Nobody disputes it. And if you do, you’re a creationist. Or worse.Barb
May 21, 2014
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@Acartia_bogart: I cannot prove God exists nor can you prove he does not. If your idea of science is purely naturalistic, then you a priori exclude God from science. I'm OK with that; I disagree with it but it doesn't trouble me. I wasn't aware of any effort to prove that God exists, by anyone here? But perhaps I missed it? In any case, God (or his PR people) claims to be the very first original scientist, and He says "Test me, and see", and "Prove me now" (prove in the old English meaning test or examine, not what it means today). What Would A Scientist Do? (WWASD?) ***** @Barb: "proven" is worse, imho. Nothing in science can be proven, a la Popper. At best we may achieve a rising level of confidence in our theories, but that lasts only until a single counterexample renders them invalid. What is wrong with just "science"? We observe, theorise, experiment, observe, repeat. That's science. It worked pretty well for a long while. Can we not leave well enough alone?ScuzzaMan
May 21, 2014
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Natural selection is “settled science” simply because it has been repeatedly observed, and is consistent with everything else that has been observed, predicted and experimented. In science what matters is experiment & observation. In science, we have never observed one species evolving into another (amphibian to reptile, reptile to mammal, etc.). In science, we have never observed the origin of the universe. Cosmologists may disagree with you, as well as theorectical physicists. I’m pretty sure that they think that what they are doing is science even though direct experimentation and observation may not always be possible (hence the “theoretical” part of theoretical physics). There is no such thing as “settled science”. The very phrase is an oxymoron whose use indicates severe misapprehensions. Then let’s use the term “proven science,” i.e., that which has been experimented, predicted, and observed. How’s that?Barb
May 21, 2014
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An impending “train wreck” in social psychology.bevets
May 21, 2014
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Scuzzy man, I am glad that you agree that nothing can be considered "settled". I assume that this also holds true for the existence of God.Acartia_bogart
May 21, 2014
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There is no such thing as "settled science". The very phrase is an oxymoron whose use indicates severe misapprehensions. There MAY be facts (sometimes what were once considered facts have been discovered not to be). In science what matters is experiment & observation. We have observed so little of our universe that it is impertinent - not to mention statistically invalid - to generalise from these observations. Yes, in the absence of contradictory evidence our current ideas remain valid (to the degree they accord with observation). "VALID" != "SETTLED". Nothing is ever settled. Atoms are not atomic. Newtonian Mechanics is a useful but wrong description. Einsteinian Relativity is questionable. The Sun does not behave like a hydrogen-fuelled fusion reactor. Ad infinitum ... Nothing is settled. Everything is contingent.ScuzzaMan
May 21, 2014
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But remember, it was "settled science" that allow us to put men on the moon. Repeatedly. It was "settled science" that has allowed us to essentially get rid of smallpox and polio (although an "unsettled myth" has resulted in an increase if preventable diseases because of an opposition to vaccines). It was "settled science" that has allowed the advanced in medicine that we have benefited from. Global warming is based on very basic "settled science" about physics. What is not settled is the long term outcome. Natural selection is "settled science" simply because it has been repeatedly observed, and is consistent with everything else that has been observed, predicted and experimented. Sure, we admit that it may be proven wrong, but, based on the preponderance of evidence, it is unlikely.Acartia_bogart
May 20, 2014
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But our ways of learning about the world are strongly influenced by the social preconceptions and biased modes of thinking that each scientist must apply to any problem. The stereotype of a fully rational and objective 'scientific method,' with individual scientists as logical (and interchangeable) robots, is self-serving mythology. ~ Stephen Jay Gouldbevets
May 20, 2014
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@In that sense, yes, but absolute can bring to mine certain other things because of its connotation that would not make it a synonym of objective in all cases.VunderGuy
May 20, 2014
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VunderGuy: wouldn't objective truth be the same as absolute truth. For example: 2+2=4. This is an objective truth. It is also an absolute truth. 2+2 cannot equal 3, or 5, or 7.Barb
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Wouldn't a better name for it be 'Objective Truth?' and not 'Absolute Truth?'VunderGuy
May 20, 2014
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...many science writers do approach climate change as if it were a religion. As if it were their duty to dismiss skepticism. As if it were a religion or, more to the point, dogma. Dogma is defined as "a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology, nationalism or belief system, and it cannot be changed." [Wiki] There's nothing wrong with having proper respect for scientific knowledge and achievements. However, while science involves a way of knowing, it is not the only source of knowledge. The purpose of science is to describe phenomena in the natural world and to assist in answering how these phenomena occur. Science provides us with insights into the physical universe, meaning everything that is observable. But no matter how far scientific investigation goes, it can never answer the question of purpose—why the universe exists in the first place.Barb
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