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Evolution News: In His New Book, Denton Shows How Science Leads the Charge to Theism

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Neil Thomas writes:

William Paley once quipped that observation of the complexity of the human eye (which, it will be recalled, was wont to give Darwin uncomfortable doubts about the efficacy of natural selection) supplied an assured “cure for atheism.” Extending Paley’s quip, I would add that if the eye doesn’t do it for you, the brain with its quadrillions of synchronized electro-chemical operations almost certainly will. There seems to be little exaggeration in claiming that cytology, the microscopic study of cells enabled by the ultra-high magnifications of the electron microscope, has led to a wholly unexpected revival of the fortunes of Paley’s once derided natural theology.

Recent advances in biological science, a subject formerly proclaimed to be corrosive of metaphysical beliefs1, have somewhat unexpectedly become a stimulus to the emergence of new advances which endorse many of the older observations of natural theology. As astronomer Paul Davies remarked some four decades ago, “It may seem bizarre, but in my opinion science offers a surer path to God than religion.”2 Supporting this contention — that science itself leads the charge toward a fresh theistic turn — Michael Denton makes the firm observation in his new book, The Miracle of Man: The Fine Tuning of Nature for Human Existence, that recent studies of the way the terrestrial environment appears to be fine-tuned for humankind are “not based on the Judeo-Christian scriptures or classical philosophy but on evidence derived from advances in our scientific understanding of nature.” (p. 208)

Gifts from the Gods

Providing chapter and verse for his views, in convincing detail with an enviably multi-disciplinary command, Denton elaborates on ways in which the properties of light, carbon, water, and metals contribute to the fitness of nature for humankind, providing substantial circumstantial evidence that the world we inhabit was “pre-adapted” for our use. 

The notion that we are simply an “epiphenomenon” of mindless processes cast adrift in a cosmos configured by pure chance has in the last half century or so been challenged by a new scientific landscape, Denton argues — with some understatement. For as Michael Behe comments in his advance praise of Denton’s work, the philosopher Bertrand Russell’s notorious contention that “Man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving” has turned out to be “the most spectacularly wrong-headed pronouncement of the 20th century.”

Cosmologists make no bones about the fact they can see no logical pathway to how we all came to be here on this planet. The cosmological constants which create conditions favorable to life are on any statistical reckoning improbable to an extreme, even prohibitive degree. The same goes for the genesis and proliferation of life forms: the whole phenomenon remains stubbornly unamenable to rational decipherment.

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SA, as far as I understand, deism did not conceive of God in an impersonal sense. Has that now come in? How so? KFkairosfocus
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Silver Asiatic Science and biology cannot tell us about the nature of God.
:) Use science and biology to prove that your claim is true. Secondly, you are very confused the attributes of God and the nature of God are different . The attributes of God are knowable and can be deduced from outside world signs and symbols while the nature of God is beyond our understanding. Nobody talked about knowing the nature of God.
ID is compatible with Deism
Your opinion can be backed up by science and biology ?Lieutenant Commander Data
May 22, 2022
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LCD
Did you hear about human intelligence and ethic? I didn’t hear science/biology denying the ethic dimension of human life.
Science and biology cannot tell us about the nature of God. A deist can say that God created ethics, even though there is no final judgement or accounting. Ethics can be created by God from the beginning as a means of order for life. ID says nothing about it. Science cannot tell us that theism is correct and deism is incorrect. That's philosophy and theology - not empirical science. ID is science - on observable nature. We cannot analyze God's nature and we cannot observe it scientifically.
SA, did you hear Chuck? He is jumpy because he knows what the designer inference means and he don’t like it but in the same time he push an insane hypothesis that chemical created life . He thinks he is the sane one.
He incorrectly said that ID cannot provide a determination of "observed intelligent design" since everything is designed. Although, the idea that "everything is designed" is compatible with deism, so that refutes what you said. But ID only identifies those things that "cannot be explained by natural causes". ID eliminates things that can be explained by natural causes - not to say "those thing are not designed" but only that "those things do not give empirical evidence of intelligent design". So, CD was incorrect there. But he is correct that ID is compatible with Deism.Silver Asiatic
May 22, 2022
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Interesting comments regarding ID and theology/philosophy, deism and theism ... ET said:
Intelligent Design does not say anything about worship. Nothing about the who, how, whey, when and where to worship. ID doesn’t say anything about salvation. ID doesn’t say anything about giving service or prayers. What this means is it takes a desperate person to try to link ID to any religion.
That's the fact as I always knew it. I was very troubled that Stephen C. Meyer said that ID concludes with theism and not deism. But ID cannot tell us what religious or philosophical belief to have - only that there is intelligent design. But even great thinkers like Meyer can mess up at times - and I think he really did on this one. KF
I further note that part blame for slandering religion and smearing adherents as a whole, traces to deism. But my understanding has been, variant theism not pantheism or panentheism, or are we seeing philosophical smorgasbord with little attention to coherence, explanatory power and factual adequacy?
I hear you and share your concern. There's a long-term conflict between deists and theists, but not always. Plus, the main and essential thing is - ID doesn't make this decision. The deist can believe in a God that is an impersonal, intelligent force - that created all the elements of the universe, life, fine-tuning, rationality and even a moral sense (although the deist will not answer to God for moral judgement). But ID has nothing to say about this - ID cannot analyze God for what God does or doesn't do.Silver Asiatic
May 22, 2022
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"Maybe we should retire the terms “theism” and “deism” when discussing ID" is not a moral claim. Not every statement that uses words like "should" or "ought" is a moral claim.Viola Lee
May 22, 2022
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Jerry But I’m definitely not making moral claims . Just the opposite. I’m trying to keep ID away from them.
Let's see:
Maybe we should retire the terms “theism” and “deism” when discussing ID.
Is this a scientific claim or a moral claim? Do not exists a scientific observation of a cell process that would conclude with what "should" be done about some words(theism,deism,ID,etc.) that weren't even observed in the cell. A scientific observation of a cell process would end with : We observed that a liniar code was translated into a 3d code with the help of a 4d system. As you see a scientific observation do not contain should, ought, must these are moral claims unrelated with the science.Lieutenant Commander Data
May 22, 2022
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Your ideas about what somebody “should think ” enter under ethic /moral kingdom and not under scientific area.Stay under scientific umbrella and don’t make moral claims because moral claims ARE NOT SCIENTIFICALLY VALID and you don’t want that your personal opinions to be construed
I haven’t a clue what you are saying. But I’m definitely not making moral claims. Just the opposite. I’m trying to keep ID away from them. People have a tendency to make up what others are saying.jerry
May 22, 2022
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"moral claims are nor scientifically valid" If I was an atheist, I would need science quite badly.relatd
May 22, 2022
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Jerry In other words you can not answer my simple. questions.
Your ideas about what somebody "should think " enter under ethic /moral kingdom and not under scientific area.Stay under scientific umbrella and don't make moral claims because moral claims ARE NOT SCIENTIFICALLY VALID and you don't want that your personal opinions to be construed ;)Lieutenant Commander Data
May 22, 2022
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KF at 57, People can and will connect ID to their religious beliefs. The Catholic Church knows science and faith are separate but it can, and does connect the two.relatd
May 22, 2022
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Got that much through WF!kairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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Relatd, I first note that it is in fact taught by the Catholic Church, echoing Paul in Rom 1 and other texts highlighting that the source of reality is communicative reason himself. They go on to highlight that evidence in the world without and our minds and consciences within are sufficient for the reality of God to be intelligible. That is a testable claim, and it is responsive to a C1 circumstance where for centuries deep questions about reality and its roots had been pondered. Hence for instance Paul's citations in his Ac 17 presentation to Athens' intellectual leadership. These are worldview issues, and sound empirical findings and logical analysis are relevant to seeing if they are well warranted. Also, people who thought like this have been foundational to modern science. In that context, the design inference arises as a scientific-evidential-inductive logic question. Are there reliable, observable signs of intelligently directed configuration as cause? For, if the answer is yes, that goes to the goal of science to accurately describe our common world. If no, that too is important. But as a matter of fact, there are, starting with functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated information in the world of life. There is a reason Dawkins had to concede the appearance of design. But contrary to his blind watchmaker claims, he has never been able to account for such FSCO/I on blind chance and/or mechanical necessity. The fine tuned cosmos is another powerful case and one pointing to design of the world. More can be said. [Try the WAC's, 1 - 5] KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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Word fence strikes again . . .kairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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kairosfocus at 54, "correctives" of what? There is an overwhelming fear among some that their fortress of science will be overthrown by ID. That their "I can do whatever I want" atheism will disappear under the light of a scientific discovery. There are codes and molecular switches and other things inside living things that act precisely. These codes can only exist because of an intelligence. They want what Richard Dawkins wants to believe: things look designed but they are not. They must cling to this. Are you surprised that people are not "Science Only" but take ID and see how it fits with their beliefs? That many Christians take ID and connect it to Divine revelation? And can they do that? Yes, they can. Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn: “Any system of thought that denies or seeks to explain away the overwhelming evidence for design in biology is ideology, not science.” Are you afraid that some will reject ID because non-atheists combine the science of ID with religion?relatd
May 22, 2022
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Relatd, have a look at the UD Weak Argument Correctives under the Resources tab. KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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Jerry at 50, Are you kidding me? Or to put it another way, Are you kidding me!!!? What is being undermined? Living things are designed - that is ID. They contain a code that can only come from an intelligent agent. How does that undermine anything? ID does not need to contain or refer to anything religious, but my reference is relevant. See the Op-Ed by Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn in the New York Times titled Finding Design in Nature. The Catholic Church is not hostile to ID.relatd
May 22, 2022
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kairosfocus at 50, Not very helpful. The dividing line is this: Science as god. Responsible to no one. No need for right and wrong, just whatever works or is desired. Religion and science. Responsible to God and His laws and all He has taught us. The ground of all reason and all truth.relatd
May 22, 2022
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the Catholic Church specifically states that God is the cause of causes. Things don’t just happen by accident, including the creation of living things
This is a religious position not based on ID. The Catholic Church as an institution has been hostile to ID though many Catholics have not. I believe Denyse is a Catholic as are some of the founding members of The Discovery Institute. People on this web site desperately want to conflate ID with religion. It’s why they comment. They frequently will quote scripture and use it as a basis for their beliefs. I personally believe this is undermining ID.jerry
May 22, 2022
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Relatd, the issue is first that design exists, inferred per reliable sign; in the world of cell based life and in the cosmos. Next, what best explains it, and that is not settled by an institution's say so. For cells, plausibly a molecular nanotech lab could do so. SETI has succeeded, not by radio telescope but by learning what is in DNA, which then becomes the first written document, one antecedent to cell based life on earth. History needs to be rethought in that light. In short, the issue is, whose lab and that cannot be thoroughly answered from evaluating traces of design. Further, the cosmos is fine tuned to support cell based life. That is extracosmic design by an agent powerful and knowledgeable enough to build worlds. Then, we are in it and are rational, responsible, free, morally governed rooted in self evident first moral duties to truth, right reason, fairness etc, requiring a root of reality bridging the is-ought gap. From that we see a bill of requisites for the necessary being world root, inherently good and utterly wise. This is an outline sketch of the God of ethical theism. Those radically hostile to God do not want to go there, wish to cloak themselves in the mantle of reason and science. But evolutionary materialistic scientism (thus its fellow travellers) is inherently self-referentially undermining of reason . . . a gigo bound computational substrate is not rational, and is incapable of bridging is-ought in the world root. We could keep going, this is just a start. All of this is full of import for civilisation and lawful government. KFkairosfocus
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It is obvious that design exists in nature. There is no need, according to science, to connect it to God/gods or some supernatural belief system. That said, the Catholic Church specifically states that God is the cause of causes. Things don't just happen by accident, including the creation of living things.relatd
May 22, 2022
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PS, Plato goes on Record:
Ath [enian Stranger in The Laws, Bk X 2,360 ya]. . . .[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [i.e the classical "material" elements of the cosmos -- the natural order], all exist by nature and chance, and none of them by art . . . [such that] all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only [ --> that is, evolutionary materialism is ancient and would trace all things to blind chance and mechanical necessity, contrasted to "the action of mind" i.e. intelligently directed configuration] . . . . [[T]hese people would say that the Gods exist not by nature, but by art, and by the laws of states, which are different in different places, according to the agreement of those who make them . . . . Then, by Heaven, we have discovered the source of this vain opinion of all those physical investigators . . . . they affirm that which is the first cause of the generation and destruction of all things, to be not first, but last, and that which is last to be first, and hence they have fallen into error about the true nature of the Gods. Cle. Still I do not understand you. Ath. Nearly all of them, my friends, seem to be ignorant of the nature and power of the soul [[ = psuche], especially in what relates to her origin: they do not know that she is among the first of things, and before all bodies, and is the chief author of their changes and transpositions. And if this is true, and if the soul is older than the body, must not the things which are of the soul's kindred be of necessity prior to those which appertain to the body? Cle. Certainly. Ath. Then thought and attention and mind and art and law will be prior to that which is hard and soft and heavy and light; and the great and primitive works and actions will be works of art; they will be the first, and after them will come nature and works of nature, which however is a wrong term for men to apply to them; these will follow, and will be under the government of art and mind. Cle. But why is the word "nature" wrong? Ath. Because those who use the term mean to say that nature is the first creative power; but if the soul turn out to be the primeval element, and not fire or air, then in the truest sense and beyond other things the soul may be said to exist by nature; and this would be true if you proved that the soul is older than the body, but not otherwise. [[ . . . .] Ath. . . . when one thing changes another, and that another, of such will there be any primary changing element? How can a thing which is moved by another ever be the beginning of change? Impossible. But when the self-moved changes other, and that again other, and thus thousands upon tens of thousands of bodies are set in motion, must not the beginning of all this motion be the change of the self-moving principle? . . . . self-motion being the origin of all motions, and the first which arises among things at rest as well as among things in motion, is the eldest and mightiest principle of change, and that which is changed by another and yet moves other is second. [--> notice, the self-moved, initiating, reflexively acting causal agent, which defines freedom as essential to our nature, and this is root of discussion on agents as first causes.] [[ . . . .] Ath. If we were to see this power existing in any earthy, watery, or fiery substance, simple or compound-how should we describe it? Cle. You mean to ask whether we should call such a self-moving power life? Ath. I do. Cle. Certainly we should. Ath. And when we see soul in anything, must we not do the same-must we not admit that this is life? [[ . . . . ] Cle. You mean to say that the essence which is defined as the self-moved is the same with that which has the name soul? Ath. Yes; and if this is true, do we still maintain that there is anything wanting in the proof that the soul is the first origin and moving power of all that is, or has become, or will be, and their contraries, when she has been clearly shown to be the source of change and motion in all things? Cle. Certainly not; the soul as being the source of motion, has been most satisfactorily shown to be the oldest of all things. Ath. And is not that motion which is produced in another, by reason of another, but never has any self-moving power at all, being in truth the change of an inanimate body, to be reckoned second, or by any lower number which you may prefer? Cle. Exactly. Ath. Then we are right, and speak the most perfect and absolute truth, when we say that the soul is prior to the body, and that the body is second and comes afterwards, and is born to obey the soul, which is the ruler? [[ . . . . ] Ath. If, my friend, we say that the whole path and movement of heaven, and of all that is therein, is by nature akin to the movement and revolution and calculation of mind, and proceeds by kindred laws, then, as is plain, we must say that the best soul takes care of the world and guides it along the good path. [[Plato here explicitly sets up an inference to design (by a good soul) from the intelligible order of the cosmos.
Remember, Plato was a pagan Greek who exercised here freedom to reason philosophically and cosmologically.kairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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Jerry, if you are trying to comment on my response, your questions are simplistic and distractive. It is not an open-to-debate point that philosophy engages issues of theism, God etc. There are writings on record across 2500 years in our civilisation on that, we must not be held hostage to willful ignorance. All I have done is to point out that it is inappropriate to push these into the side tracked, propagandistic context of the alleged war of religion against reason and its champion science. Nor is it appropriate to cancel broader worldviews issues raised by the design inference, the design paradigm and postulates as well as design friendly sciences because committed ideologues don't wish to hear about such. We mark distinct contexts and approaches and we address here in terms of comparative difficulties across explanatory power, coherence and factual adequacy. That is what makes this philosophical and it is of pivotal importance to see what issues of reality, being, warrant, logic etc have to say. Even the recognition that our rationality is morally governed i/l/o first duties to truth, right reason, warrant etc is key. KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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In other words you can not answer my simple. questions.jerry
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Jerry
KF the terms are in context philosophical
Nonsense. Define each. And if you do, are they all inclusive, overlapping, mutually exclusive?
KF is right. To do science you have to use logic /reason/ethic in the same time . Where sit all these "tools" ? Inside of a person's mind that have a worldview. There are no persons that have no worldview therefore anything is thought will have the "secret" signature of worldview that will be in the background. You (we all)think in a certain way because of the hidden influence of y(our) worldview.Lieutenant Commander Data
May 22, 2022
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Jerry, kindly note, in context. We deal here with worldviews and critical analysis thereof on comparative difficulties, not religious traditions. There is a family of worldviews that see a God as the wellspring of reality, not merely a demiurge or the like. They see God as reasonably knowable as a being, and will address philosophical arguments regarding existence and nature of God in terms of metaphysics and logic of being as opposed to chapter-verse of some scriptural tradition, etc. They see God as personal, creative, designing and ethical; embracing here what at least some deists thought. As opposed to the impersonal ground of being or pole of being of pantheism or panentheism. They are design thinkers, viewing design as an intelligent, volitional, conscious act of an agent not sheer deterministic necessity. And so forth. KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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the terms are in context philosophical
Nonsense. Define each. And if you do, are they all inclusive, overlapping, mutually exclusive?
He thinks he is the sane one.
ChuckDarwin is in the mad house. They let him comment a couple times a day.jerry
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Chuckdarwin If you accept the “design principle” then implied is that everything, ultimately, is designed.
Yep. When you are right you are right. :) SA, did you hear Chuck? He is jumpy because he knows what the designer inference means and he don't like it but in the same time he push an insane hypothesis that chemical created life . He thinks he is the sane one. PS: Chucky don't worry the ID proponents believe that aliens did it. I hope you are ok with aliens that don't give you commandments on how to behave.Lieutenant Commander Data
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CD, again, a first duty is truth, another right reason, a third warrant (part of prudence). These are foundational to sound civilisation, much less science. In that context though you are patently inclined to dismiss hyperskeptically, it is true that there are signs that on test reliably indicate design as key causal factor. Several of these turn up in the world of life starting with coded algorithms in the cell. Others turn up in the physics of the cosmos, which shows fine tuning. So, once science is released from ideological capture by evolutionary materialistic scientism and fellow travellers, it is progress to acknowledge such. Where, in effect we have found a SETI signal, it is in the cells of our bodies. That changes things going forward. KFkairosfocus
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Intelligent Design does not say anything about worship. Nothing about the who, how, whey, when and where to worship. ID doesn't say anything about salvation. ID doesn't say anything about giving service or prayers. What this means is it takes a desperate person to try to link ID to any religion.ET
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Wow. Whay chucky is saying is that archaeology and forensic don't offer any added value. It's a fool's strawman to think that ID says everything is designed.ET
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