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Neil Thomas writes:

William Paley once quipped that observation of the complexity of the human eye (which, it will be recalled, was wont to give Darwin uncomfortable doubts about the efficacy of natural selection) supplied an assured “cure for atheism.” Extending Paley’s quip, I would add that if the eye doesn’t do it for you, the brain with its quadrillions of synchronized electro-chemical operations almost certainly will. There seems to be little exaggeration in claiming that cytology, the microscopic study of cells enabled by the ultra-high magnifications of the electron microscope, has led to a wholly unexpected revival of the fortunes of Paley’s once derided natural theology.

Recent advances in biological science, a subject formerly proclaimed to be corrosive of metaphysical beliefs1, have somewhat unexpectedly become a stimulus to the emergence of new advances which endorse many of the older observations of natural theology. As astronomer Paul Davies remarked some four decades ago, “It may seem bizarre, but in my opinion science offers a surer path to God than religion.”2 Supporting this contention — that science itself leads the charge toward a fresh theistic turn — Michael Denton makes the firm observation in his new book, The Miracle of Man: The Fine Tuning of Nature for Human Existence, that recent studies of the way the terrestrial environment appears to be fine-tuned for humankind are “not based on the Judeo-Christian scriptures or classical philosophy but on evidence derived from advances in our scientific understanding of nature.” (p. 208)

Gifts from the Gods

Providing chapter and verse for his views, in convincing detail with an enviably multi-disciplinary command, Denton elaborates on ways in which the properties of light, carbon, water, and metals contribute to the fitness of nature for humankind, providing substantial circumstantial evidence that the world we inhabit was “pre-adapted” for our use. 

The notion that we are simply an “epiphenomenon” of mindless processes cast adrift in a cosmos configured by pure chance has in the last half century or so been challenged by a new scientific landscape, Denton argues — with some understatement. For as Michael Behe comments in his advance praise of Denton’s work, the philosopher Bertrand Russell’s notorious contention that “Man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving” has turned out to be “the most spectacularly wrong-headed pronouncement of the 20th century.”

Cosmologists make no bones about the fact they can see no logical pathway to how we all came to be here on this planet. The cosmological constants which create conditions favorable to life are on any statistical reckoning improbable to an extreme, even prohibitive degree. The same goes for the genesis and proliferation of life forms: the whole phenomenon remains stubbornly unamenable to rational decipherment.

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KF/in passim SA/32 SA makes some excellent points regarding ID and various theological belief systems. Having said that, however, I don’t see what “added value” ID brings to the table. If you accept the “design principle” then implied is that everything, ultimately, is designed. Given the quasi-axiom that ID is agnostic as to the designer and her/his/its identity and MO, it thus adds nothing.chuckdarwin
May 22, 2022
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F/N: It seems we need a reminder on the ideological imposition being pushed:
[Lewontin:] . . . to put a correct [--> Just who here presume to cornering the market on truth and so demand authority to impose?] view of the universe into people's heads
[==> as in, "we" the radically secularist elites have cornered the market on truth, warrant and knowledge, making "our" "consensus" the yardstick of truth . . . where of course "view" is patently short for WORLDVIEW . . . and linked cultural agenda . . . ]
we must first get an incorrect view out [--> as in, if you disagree with "us" of the secularist elite you are wrong, irrational and so dangerous you must be stopped, even at the price of manipulative indoctrination of hoi polloi] . . . the problem is to get them [= hoi polloi] to reject irrational and supernatural explanations of the world [--> "explanations of the world" is yet another synonym for WORLDVIEWS; the despised "demon[ic]" "supernatural" being of course an index of animus towards ethical theism and particularly the Judaeo-Christian faith tradition], the demons that exist only in their imaginations,
[ --> as in, to think in terms of ethical theism is to be delusional, justifying "our" elitist and establishment-controlling interventions of power to "fix" the widespread mental disease]
and to accept a social and intellectual apparatus, Science, as the only begetter of truth
[--> NB: this is a knowledge claim about knowledge and its possible sources, i.e. it is a claim in philosophy not science; it is thus self-refuting]
. . . . To Sagan, as to all but a few other scientists [--> "we" are the dominant elites], it is self-evident
[--> actually, science and its knowledge claims are plainly not immediately and necessarily true on pain of absurdity, to one who understands them; this is another logical error, begging the question , confused for real self-evidence; whereby a claim shows itself not just true but true on pain of patent absurdity if one tries to deny it . . . and in fact it is evolutionary materialism that is readily shown to be self-refuting]
that the practices of science provide the surest method of putting us in contact with physical reality [--> = all of reality to the evolutionary materialist], and that, in contrast, the demon-haunted world rests on a set of beliefs and behaviors that fail every reasonable test [--> i.e. an assertion that tellingly reveals a hostile mindset, not a warranted claim] . . . . It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us [= the evo-mat establishment] to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes [--> another major begging of the question . . . ] to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute [--> i.e. here we see the fallacious, indoctrinated, ideological, closed mind . . . ], for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door . . . [--> irreconcilable hostility to ethical theism, already caricatured as believing delusionally in imaginary demons]. [Lewontin, Billions and billions of Demons, NYRB Jan 1997,cf. here. And, if you imagine this is "quote-mined" I invite you to read the fuller annotated citation here.]
kairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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Silver Asiatic All ID can say from the science is that there is evidence of intelligent design in nature. It cannot tell you what kind of intelligence made it.
Nope. From studying cell we can infer an attribute of designer named intelligence but (unfortunatelly for your argumentation) life is not reduced to internal coded systems, DNA/RNA,etc . Life is much more than cells.Did you hear about human intelligence and ethic? I didn't hear science/biology denying the ethic dimension of human life. We certainly can deduce from science that study human behaviour that designer is ethical not only intelligent. Your deist designer argument fails.Lieutenant Commander Data
May 22, 2022
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CD, Doubling down, in the teeth of being corrected on abundant, accessible facts. Instead, just stop, admit your unfair misrepresentation and refusal to be corrected, amend your ways and do better. KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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KF/7 When looking at the issue of importing religion into topics like ID, the KISS (keep it simple, stupid) principle is most useful. If it walks like religion, talks like religion and smells like religion, etc. Simply look at the headline for the OP— what part of ID qua theism (aka, religion) do you not get?chuckdarwin
May 22, 2022
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SA, first I would distinguish that fine tuning of the physics of the cosmos does obviously raise questions of extracosmic design. I am willing to acknowledge that what we see in cells and body plans could be accounted for on a molecular nanotech lab some generations beyond Venter et al. As has been noted for years. I predict, we will see unicorns made in the lab within a century. Process is not agent. That said I am puzzled as to whether current deists are drifting towards an impersonal concept of God. Because classic deism sees God as an ethical creator, but deny that scriptural or other revelatory traditions are valid [in my view, they fail to reckon with 1 Cor 15 properly, but that is an evidentiary matter]. I further note that part blame for slandering religion and smearing adherents as a whole, traces to deism. But my understanding has been, variant theism not pantheism or panentheism, or are we seeing philosophical smorgasbord with little attention to coherence, explanatory power and factual adequacy? KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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KF
Jerry, the terms are in context philosophical; we are not locked into false dilemmas under the religious war against Science agit prop myth
True. It's not a scientific distinction. ID does not evaluate the nature of the designer. Deism is perfectly compatible with the intelligent designer. Unlike what Meyer said, ID does not give us a theistic designer. As you rightly point out, KF - that is a philosophical (and I'll add theological thus "theism") distinction, not scientific.
a deist is someone who believes that God created the world but thereafter has exercised no providential control over what goes on in it
Right - the deist God is an intelligent designer. There's nothing in science that can refute this. Whether deism is true or not is a debate for philosophy and then theology. ID cannot tell us whether God intervenes in nature or is involved in human affairs or not. The science cannot evaluate the nature, attributes and operations of God.
Has the scheme evolved towards pantheism or panentheism in recent years?
Yes, again - ID is compatible with these two views also. How God interacts with nature of if God is one with nature are not questions that ID can answer. All we have from ID is that nature gives evidence of intelligent design. From that we conclude that some intelligent agent is responsible for the design. Whether this is the Holy Trinity or Allah or Zeus or a pantheistic force - is not a question that ID science can evaluate.Silver Asiatic
May 22, 2022
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Jerry, the terms are in context philosophical; we are not locked into false dilemmas under the religious war against Science agit prop myth; even Galileo's fate was not that, and he was ill advised to alienate a pope who had formerly been sympathetic by putting his words in the mouth of Simplicio -- in effect, a straw simpleton. Those who twist language and context into pretzels do so in willful refusal to acknowledge public facts about ID, putting themselves in the category of Wikipedia. Instead, we need to recognise validity of inference to best explanation on signs, and the distinction between process [cf arson] and agent [cf arsonist]. We are not dealing with innocent misunderstandings, not at this level. Those who are innocently misled but care to reason correctly, fairly and reasonably would be responsive. We are not seeing that, this is essentially Alinsky's rules for radicals agit prop in action. The correct response is to expose that and its bankruptcy as well as misanthropic anticivilisational attitude. That is a far wider pattern, especially in the US. KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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Maybe we should retire the terms “theism” and “deism” when discussing ID. There does not seem to be value for ID and they are essentially religious terms. I use creator most of the time to describe the entity behind creation of the universe. Apparently it can be extended to Earth but not necessarily to life no matter how it originated. It may be the same entity or may be not. The use of “god” in lower or upper case also has religious connotations.jerry
May 22, 2022
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ES58/Polistra, mechanical fast fourier transform. KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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SA, I am a bit puzzled. Refreshing my memory from Routledge Enc Phil: https://www.rep.routledge.com/articles/thematic/deism/v-1
DEISM Rowe, William L. DOI 10.4324/9780415249126-K013-1 Article Summary In the popular sense, a deist is someone who believes that God created the world but thereafter has exercised no providential control over what goes on in it. In the proper sense, a deist is someone who affirms a divine creator but denies any divine revelation, holding that human reason alone can give us everything we need to know to live a correct moral and religious life. In this sense of ‘deism’ some deists held that God exercises providential control over the world and provides for a future state of rewards and punishments, while other deists denied this. However, they all agreed that human reason alone was the basis on which religious questions had to be settled, rejecting the orthodox claim to a special divine revelation of truths that go beyond human reason. Deism flourished in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, principally in England, France and America.
Has the scheme evolved towards pantheism or panentheism in recent years? KFkairosfocus
May 22, 2022
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Pollistra@1 After 10 years working in science, the structures and functions of the cochlea were my epiphany. I know a guy who came to same conclusion from same evidence as grad student 40 years ago but said the professor couldn't see it bc he was writing a book on open marriage at the same timees58
May 21, 2022
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It’s more than possible that discussion on “intelligent design” will fade away because of the wrong decision in the Dover case. In Dover, the judge essentially held that ID was another name for creationism, and had been invented or applied to skirt the ruling of the Supreme Court in the Edwards case. In Edwards, a statute barred teaching evolution in public schools unless it was accompanied by teaching creationism was held to be unconstitutional as the Constitution prohibits laws respecting establishment of religion. The Dover decision was wrong, not least because the concept ‘Intelligent Design’ not only preceded Edwards by millennia, but also because the modern use of phrase had been deliberately introduced in an effort to avoid any connection with creationism specifically, religion generally, and to keep observations empirical. At this link is a detailed account of its history and the efforts to distance ID from religion; https://web.archive.org/web/20080917172539/http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/id-does-not-address-religious-claims-about-the-supernatural Discussion is sterile because it is up to evolutionists to prove their case a chain of unbelievable accidents created life, and this has not been done. Their stammering denials that evolution has nothing to do with the creation of life crashes against their claim of causality when it tries to deal with first life, plus the fact that no year goes past without sensational pronouncements as to where and how first life appeared. I don't think the list is exhaustive but some are RNA world, viral origins, iron–sulphur and zinc worlds, clay crystal, primordial soup, deep sea vent, extra-terrestrial life, other general extra-terrestrial infall, lipid world, chilly start, pre-RNA world, TNA world, XNA world, warm little pond, nucleo-peptide world, sugar world, spinning living crystals, multiple genesis,…Belfast
May 21, 2022
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All ID can say from the science is that there is evidence of intelligent design in nature. It cannot tell you what kind of intelligence made it. Meyer seems to be claiming that biological complexity requires theism. That's not true (but hey, I think he knows a lot more about ID than I do so maybe I'm wrong?). What I do know is that science cannot tell you about the nature of God. There would be no way to scientifically test that. We can test for the presence of intelligent design, but not for the nature of the designer. An IDist can claim it was Zeus or Jupiter or Mithros - as long as it is a non-natural cause and an intelligence, then ID has to accept that. Meyer, BA77, Jerry and maybe KF seem to disagree. There are ID supporters who think first life was seeded by aliens. ID cannot tell you that God is the designer and alien life is not. All it can say is that blind, natural, material known causes are not the source and that intelligence can produce the results. If you think otherwise, then you have to show how to analyze the nature of God by empirical scientific testing. To argue for theism or deism or polytheism, you can't do it with science. Philosophy and theology, yes but you can't take it into a lab or do mathematical modelling on what a theistic God would do versus a deist.Silver Asiatic
May 21, 2022
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LCD
If we project these qualities over an unknown Designer there is no room for a deist type of designer.
The empirical science of ID can't give you that conclusion. You're talking about the nature of God. There's plenty of room for a deist God within ID. Because ID cannot tell you that your God makes sense or not - ID cannot analyze the nature of God. Theology can - but that's different. A deist can say that, by necessity, the deist God created everything we observe. To refute that, you cannot use ID science. In the same way, ID cannot tell you that the Blessed Trinity is the true God.Silver Asiatic
May 21, 2022
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To reject deism is to say that ID knows “what kind of God the designer is”. That’s religion. Science cannot tell you what kind of God exists.
Compared with mind-body problem the symbol controlled cell system is a piece of cake but still is out of reach for evolutionary biologists. . From time to time, we love , we care ,and we know that these qualities are good and valuable, are part of us , can't be dismissed. If we project these qualities over an unknown Designer there is no room for a deist type of designer.Lieutenant Commander Data
May 21, 2022
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Why do evolutionists conflate IDists' personal beliefs with ID?ET
May 21, 2022
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You think ID science can tell you that?
Again, you are just making things up. Why? By the way Meyer’s video misses the point on god. Meyer has reduced his creator by necessity to an inferior tinkering engineer. A fantastic engineer but still one that limited. My idea of the creator is one much more intelligent and powerful than the one Meyer postulates.jerry
May 21, 2022
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Jerry
What distinguishes a theistic god from a deistic one.
You think ID science can tell you that?
Is Zeus a theistic or deistic god?
You're asking religious questions - just after claiming ID is not religious. Zeus is part of polytheism. Multiple gods. You're going to claim that ID requires monotheism? Again, that's religion.
I’m saying that the creation had intent. That’s all.
That's not all you're saying. The science does not indicate whether the designer had intent or not - that's a characteristic of the designer. An impersonal, non-intentional deistic God could be the designer. You rejected that and claimed it for ID. Again, you're putting religious ideas into ID. You may be right. I'm willing to be corrected and accept that ID is, actually, a religious teaching and not science. That's what BA77 is indicating and that's what Stephen Meyer is indicating when they claim that ID rejects deism. To reject deism is to say that ID knows "what kind of God the designer is". That's religion. Science cannot tell you what kind of God exists. But again, you guys may be right.
All theistic means is that there is a creator so how is that different from deistic? Maybe we don’t have the vocabulary for this.
You just said that ID rejected deism. Now you're changing your mind and you don't know how to define the terms? Theistic means more than "there is a creator". Again, deism is an impersonal supreme being - therefore, it does not act by intent but through necessity.Silver Asiatic
May 21, 2022
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So, you’re saying that ID tells us who the designer is – it must be a theistic God and not Deistic
You are making things up. You are implying there are only two choices. Maybe there are but then one has to define what is meant by theistic. What distinguishes a theistic god from a deistic one. Is Zeus a theistic or deistic god? He certainly did not leave his creation alone. I’m saying that the creation had intent. That’s all. You can make up what we think what that intent was but ID will not verify it. In other words we have no idea if that intent included a relationship or expected any specific behavior. Now given this, one can try to find some consistency between the creation and some intents but not others. I don’t believe the theistic/deistic dichotomy does it. All theistic means is that there is a creator so how is that different from deistic? Maybe we don’t have the vocabulary for this. Also no where does ID imply there is only a monotheistic god. That’s external to ID.jerry
May 21, 2022
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Jerry
If Deism wants to accept intent and a creator interested in how the creation progresses, then that’s different from my understanding of it.
No, Deism does not have intent. "Intention" is an attribute or characteristic of the designer. So, you're saying that ID tells us who the designer is - it must be a theistic God and not Deistic. For deism, it's an impersonal God. But the supposed ID science is saying that the designer must be personal, monotheistic God? That's theology, not science. It would be saying ID is not a science proposal but is theological and religious and requires theism.Silver Asiatic
May 21, 2022
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Jerry
I maintain that this is false.
Then ID is religious and says something about the designer. You're saying theism and not deism. Those are religious questions. Or we could say "theological not scientific".Silver Asiatic
May 21, 2022
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BA77 Thanks for finding that quote from Stephen Meyer's book.
theism provides a better overall explanation than deism of the three key facts about biological and cosmological origins under examination
Here he is talking about theism vs deism. But is he saying that ID points to theism more than deism? If so, that would contradict everything I've ever said about ID and religion - since it would mean that ID would say something about the designer. It does seem like he's saying that. He seems to be saying "the science points to theism and not deism" - the science, therefore, is ID. That would be very significant - since I have always said that ID does not refer to the nature of the designer, but Meyer here would disagree with that. Your thoughts? Do you think ID requires theism and is therefore not compatible with deism?Silver Asiatic
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Does Front-End Loading & Theistic Evolution Explain the Information in Life? - Stephen Meyer - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0985W4rks Conservation of information, evolution, etc - Sept. 30, 2014 Excerpt: Kurt Gödel’s logical objection to Darwinian evolution: "The formation in geological time of the human body by the laws of physics (or any other laws of similar nature), starting from a random distribution of elementary particles and the field is as unlikely as the separation of the atmosphere into its components. The complexity of the living things has to be present within the material [from which they are derived] or in the laws [governing their formation]." Gödel - As quoted in H. Wang. “On `computabilism’ and physicalism: Some Problems.” in Nature’s Imagination, J. Cornwall, Ed, pp.161-189, Oxford University Press (1995). Gödel’s argument is that if evolution is unfolding from an initial state by mathematical laws of physics, it cannot generate any information not inherent from the start – and in his view, neither the primaeval environment nor the laws are information-rich enough.,,, More recently this led him (Dembski) to postulate a Law of Conservation of Information, or actually to consolidate the idea, first put forward by Nobel-prizewinner Peter Medawar in the 1980s. Medawar had shown, as others before him, that in mathematical and computational operations, no new information can be created, but new findings are always implicit in the original starting points – laws and axioms.,,, http://potiphar.jongarvey.co.uk/2014/09/30/conservation-of-information-evolution-etc/ The Front-loading Fiction - Dr. Robert Sheldon - 2009 ?Excerpt: Historically, the argument for front-loading came from Laplacian determinism based on a Newtonian or mechanical universe--if one could control all the initial conditions, then the outcome was predetermined. First quantum mechanics, and then chaos-theory has basically destroyed it, since no amount of precision can control the outcome far in the future. (The exponential nature of the precision required to predetermine the outcome exceeds the information storage of the medium.),,, Even should God have infinite knowledge of the outcome of such a biological algorithm, the information regarding its outcome cannot be contained within the system itself.?http://procrustes.blogtownhall.com/2009/07/01/the_front-loading_fiction.thtml How well can information be stored from the beginning to the end of time? - Jan. 13, 2015 Excerpt: Information can never be stored perfectly. Whether on a CD, a hard disk drive, or a piece of papyrus, technological imperfections create noise that limits the preservation of information over time. But even if you had a perfect storage medium with zero imperfections, there would still be fundamental limits placed on information storage due to the laws of physics that govern the evolution of the universe ever since the Big Bang.,,, To do this, they modelled information transmission over a "channel" that is essentially spacetime itself, described by the Robertson-Walker metric. Their model combines the theories of general relativity and quantum information by considering the quantum state of matter (specifically, spin-1/2 particles) as the universe expands. In this model, the evolution of the universe creates noise which, in the context of quantum communication, acts like an amplitude damping channel. The physicists' main result is that, the faster the universe expands, the less well the information can be preserved.,,, So to answer the original question of how much information can be stored from the beginning to the end of time, the results suggest "not very much." http://phys.org/news/2015-01-how-well-can-information-be.html The free will theorem of John H. Conway and Simon B. Kochen,,, Since the free will theorem applies to any arbitrary physical theory consistent with the axioms, it would not even be possible to place the information into the universe's past in an ad hoc way. The argument proceeds from the Kochen-Specker theorem, which shows that the result of any individual measurement of spin was not fixed (pre-determined) independently of the choice of measurements. http://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/free_will_theorem.html
Of related note to my second note, i.e. 'Godel's logical objection to Darwinian evolution',,, Godel’s incompleteness theorem has now been extended to physics: In the following article entitled ‘Quantum physics problem proved unsolvable: Gödel and Turing enter quantum physics’, which studied the derivation of macroscopic properties from a complete microscopic description, the researchers remark that even a perfect and complete description of the microscopic properties of a material is not enough to predict its macroscopic behaviour.,,, The researchers further commented that their findings challenge the reductionists’ point of view, as the insurmountable difficulty lies precisely in the derivation of macroscopic properties from a microscopic description.”
Quantum physics problem proved unsolvable: Gödel and Turing enter quantum physics – December 9, 2015 Excerpt: A mathematical problem underlying fundamental questions in particle and quantum physics is provably unsolvable,,, It is the first major problem in physics for which such a fundamental limitation could be proven. The findings are important because they show that even a perfect and complete description of the microscopic properties of a material is not enough to predict its macroscopic behaviour.,,, “We knew about the possibility of problems that are undecidable in principle since the works of Turing and Gödel in the 1930s,” added Co-author Professor Michael Wolf from Technical University of Munich. “So far, however, this only concerned the very abstract corners of theoretical computer science and mathematical logic. No one had seriously contemplated this as a possibility right in the heart of theoretical physics before. But our results change this picture. From a more philosophical perspective, they also challenge the reductionists’ point of view, as the insurmountable difficulty lies precisely in the derivation of macroscopic properties from a microscopic description.” http://phys.org/news/2015-12-quantum-physics-problem-unsolvable-godel.html
bornagain77
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ID is compatible with Deism also
I maintain that this is false. Why? Because there are zillions of specifics in the creation that cry out intent. One big one is that life arrived. That had to be an intent especially since the universe and Earth is so fine tuned for life. Then there is the nature of the life created. So while I separate ID from religion, it’s impossible to conclude there was no intent. And intent implies care about what happens. This does not necessarily imply intervention to achieve any objective but it does not rule it out. If Deism wants to accept intent and a creator interested in how the creation progresses, then that’s different from my understanding of it.jerry
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Jerry, that may be my bad for making a rather compressed remark. However, it is in fact quite connected, step by step. CD posed a false Religion vs Science claim, a false dilemma, as linked there is a third option, philosophy, which is the context in which Science emerged. Demonic religion points to the terms used by Lewontin and Sagan. Philosophy has a branch on knowledge [Epistemology, from which Phil of Sci grows], Logic is another main branch, and logic of being or ontology is a main part of Metaphysics. Worldviews are anchored in all three and lay out how we interpret ourselves and our world. Ethical theism is a family of such views, and sound scientific results on origins are obviously relevant. Factual adequacy, coherence and explanatory power are three key tests for worldviews. Ethical theism is a family of worldviews, not a religion. Certain scientific findings are friendly to it. And so forth. KF PS, Notice Wikipedia's confessions and gaps:
Historically, philosophy [= love of wisdom] encompassed all bodies of knowledge and a practitioner was known as a philosopher.[14] From the time of Ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle to the 19th century, "natural philosophy" encompassed astronomy, medicine, and physics.[15] For example, Newton's 1687 Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy later became classified as a book of physics. In the 19th century, the growth of modern research universities led academic philosophy and other disciplines to professionalize and specialize.[16][17] Since then, various areas of investigation that were traditionally part of philosophy have become separate academic disciplines, and namely the social sciences such as psychology, sociology, linguistics, and economics [--> Cf Moral Philosophy]. Today, major subfields of academic philosophy include metaphysics, which is concerned with the fundamental nature of existence and reality; epistemology, which studies the nature of knowledge and [--> justified] belief; ethics, which is concerned with moral value [--> or truth]; and logic, which studies the rules of inference that allow one to derive conclusions from true premises [--> leaves off inductive and abductive].[18][19] Other notable subfields include philosophy of religion, philosophy of science, political philosophy, aesthetics [--> aesthetics and ethics are two parts of a top level domain, axiology], philosophy of language, and philosophy of mind. [--> mixes secondary aspects with the core]
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Deism can explain the FSCI - front loaded from the beginning by a creative act and then left to work itself out over time.Silver Asiatic
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Return of the God Hypothesis - Stephen Meyer - book review Excerpt: theism provides a better overall explanation than deism of the three key facts about biological and cosmological origins under examination: (1) the material universe had a beginning; (2) the material universe has been finely tuned for life from the beginning; and (3) large discontinuous increases in functionally specified information have entered the biosphere since the beginning. Deism can explain the first two of those facts; theism can explain all three. https://returnofthegodhypothesis.com/book/preview/
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ID is compatible with Deism also. Not just theism.Silver Asiatic
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First, science exists in the prior context of philosophical issues and approaches that for example clarify knowledge, logic, being etc.
Interesting thought. Science requires a certain philosophical standard. In fact, as you say, it exists only because of that philosophical foundation. ID, therefore, as science - is built on that philosophy. However, science does not exist in a vacuum. The philosophy that grounds science grounds other, related and necessary ideas. Religion is one of them. For example, the term "creator" is from philosophy and points to theology. "To create" strictly speaking comes from the idea of creation de novo - not a repurposing of elements or a design using already existing elements. Additionally, to say "ID points to a creator" would eliminate polytheism. So, it would be a religious statement. I never use the term "creator" in for what ID shows, but rather "an agent" for the design. The agent does not need to be a singular entity, since ID cannot determine that.Silver Asiatic
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