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Expelled: Why are Americans allowed to care so much about freedom?, and other thoughts

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Two nights ago, I finally saw the Expelled film.

I had become almost proprietorial about the widely denounced #5 political documentary.  I had first broken the story of its existence last August. I watched it pitch and roll through accusations of trickery, a threatened lawsuit over plagiarism and a real one over intellectual property, production delays (it was supposed to be released on Darwin’s birthday but was pulled for edit), and, inevitably, street drama.

Security was so tight that – as I learned a couple of weeks ago – not only could I not get a screener, neither could the the screenwriter – fellow Canadian Kevin Miller.

Okay, so there I am, sitting half-frozen in a half-empty theatre in downtown Toronto, and … I had two main reactions:

Freedom … ?

As a Canadian, I felt confused by all the talk of freedom. Americans think so highly of freedom. It seemed so strange to me that the people in the film consider it normal to worry about life, the universe, and all that.

Here today, if you openly care even about your personal freedom to just be a goof somewhere unmolested, you are at war with society. The Government knows what is Good for us. Dissent caused by our dysfunctionally evolved neurons will be punished.

So the film felt strange – it assumed facts about human nature, such as the reality of the mind, that are everywhere under serious assault in the Western world. Canada used to be freer, but we aren’t supposed to know that any more. And people single themselves out if they say too much.

Intelligent design … ?

Second, the film badly needed an explanation of why there is an intelligent design controversy. Most of my friends and neighbours simply do not know. Legacy media retail tales from the bizarre swamplands of the United States where gun-toting cretins and their obliging sisters espouse unapproved doctrines without ever receiving any proper punishment.

When a Canadian writer wanted to publish articles on intelligent design that actually explain the arguments, he wrote to me wanting to know where he could get them published. I essentially replied, “Search me. I can’t imagine any legacy medium breaking free from the Darwinsludge – and if they did, they would be shut down much faster than in the States. The mere fact of independent ideas is itself the offence, as Maclean’s Magazine and Mark Steyn found. So watch your back.”

TV series needed?

Given the many recent discoveries that challenge Darwinism and materialism, a thirteen-part TV series on the real arguments for and against design is needed. But I can’t think who would show the series. That was likely a key reason for the producers’ decision to just make a film, so that at least people willing to buy tickets could find out something.

The God who had better really be there …

The film’s strongest point is that Stein is way too smart to waste a second on “theistic” evolution – the idea that we know that God exists by faith alone. On that view, God’s actions in the world around us are supposedly indistinguishable from chance events, so design is an illusion and faith means taking a leap without evidence.

So if, for example, neuroscientists had really found a “God gene” which explains why some people believe in God but others do not, well, we know by sheer faith that God put the gene there.

Or if evolutionary psychologists could plausibly explain belief in God as naturally selected for – again, we know by sheer faith that God really exists and caused this selection.

Except that he really didn’t, of course. It would be the other way around. The gene or the selection caused God.

Trust a smart fellow like Ben Stein to see through this gunk far more clearly than some of the Bible school biology profs I’ve dealt with: Put simply, if “theistic” evolution is true, religion is bunk.*

If, n the other hand, design is true, materialist atheism is bunk. Materialist atheists know this perfectly well. That is why they persecute the design guys and cozy up to the “theistic” evolutionists.

And why Expelled was made and has no time for “theistic” evolutionism.

Now here is a quick test: If “theistic” evolution meant anything other than what I am describing above, ID theorist Mike Behe and I should be called theistic evolutionists – we accept conventional dating methods and common descent of living things But we think that God’s actions, if they exist, can be detected. They are indeed distinguishable from chance occurrences. This is the position affirmed by Scripture, tradition, and reason and denied by “theistic” evolution. And it is why we are called “creationists.”

Look, if God doesn’t exist, he doesn’t exist. But if he does exist, we’ll know about it.

Finally, seeing the film shed light on two other controversial topics:

1. The Yoko Ono lawsuit: I got a chance to hear the controversial few bars from Lennon’s “Imagine” theme. Imagine so much fuss over so little! It sure helped me see why the Stanford fair use collective got involved on Expelled’s side. Politically, Expelled was not, perhaps, the most obvious choice. However, when I saw how little use was really made of the Lennon opus minimus, I understood why Expelled was a good choice.

Intellectual property laws were designed to bust knockoff Spongebobs, pirated Two Towers, photocopied textbooks, yada yada – in other words, substantial economic and moral losses – NOT some incidental capture of a cultural icon in a documentary. What a waste of court time! And what an opportunity to start reigning in such waste!

2. The claim that the atheists had been “tricked” into taking part. It was quite obvious that these professional atheists enjoy publicity. And why not? The legacy media have lionized them. The Expelled film is one of the few places ever that some of them are just allowed to be their nasty selves. Why that is anyone’s problem other than theirs, I confess I do not know.

*While we are here: The open theism that many “theistic” evolutionists flirt with just means that there isn’t really a God. A god who is “evolving along with creation” isn’t God. One should not describe open theism as a Christian heresy. It is an atheist heresy. The only important question is, can an atheist believe in superior alien beings like the evolving god?

Also: New at the Post–Darwinist:

Open letter to comedian Guy Earle … the latest to be charged by a Canadian “human rights”commission

Birds: What you thought you knew about their evolution is wrong, all wrong

Governor Bobby Jindal passes Louisiana bill to permit critical thinking about Darwin, and such (But is this a good idea?)

If order just somehow emerges from chaos, why aren’t we all young and beautiful?

Intellectual freedom: Is misunderstanding of Internet part of Canada’s “human rights” problem?

Alarm! Alarm! Critical thinking spotted in vicinity of pop science kludge

Intelligent design and the arts – better that way, actually. Much better.

The Right’s war on science? Lot’s of ink spilled there, but how about the Left’s war on science?

Teacher accused of burning cross on student’s arm and (much worse!) of teaching creationism

Write! Canada coverage highlights intellectual freedom risks, troubles of book industry

Comments
Bill you say
Moreover, Augustine says that any being that does not know the future is not God. So, by Augustine’s lights, open theists, in denying the existence of any being that knows the future, deny the existence of God.
We agree on the main point but wasnt it Maimonides who is credited with the greatest advancement of negative theology? To quote from WIKI-
"Maimonides was led by his admiration for the neo-Platonic commentators to maintain many doctrines which the Scholastics could not accept. For instance, Maimonides was an adherent of "negative theology" (also known as "Apophatic theology".) In this theology, one attempts to describe God through negative attributes. For instance, one should not say that God exists in the usual sense of the term; all we can safely say is that God is not non-existent. We should not say that "God is wise"; but we can say that "God is not ignorant," i.e. in some way, God has some properties of knowledge. We should not say that "God is One," but we can state that "there is no multiplicity in God's being." In brief, the attempt is to gain and express knowledge of God by describing what God is not; rather than by describing what God "is." The Scholastics agreed with him that no predicate is adequate to express the nature of God; but they did not go so far as to say that no term can be applied to God in the affirmative sense. They admitted that while "eternal," "omnipotent," etc., as we apply them to God, are inadequate, at the same time we may say "God is eternal" etc., and need not stop, as Moses did, with the negative "God is not not-eternal," etc. In essence what Maimonides wanted to express is that when people give God anthropomorphic qualities they do not do justice to His greatness."
For the record St Augistine's contribution certainly did come before Maimonides'. By the way Bill, how do you feel about the negative theological perspective?Frost122585
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The reason I said open theism is a heresy of atheism is that: 1. Lots of twentieth century atheists, including Francis Crick and Carl Sagan, believed in the existence of beings in the universe much greater than ourselves. For Sagan it was something of a dogma. He even tried to figure out how many there were. Crick certainly considered the idea that such beings may have kickstarted life on earth. Dawkins was willing to consider it, when prompted by Ben Stein in the Expelled film - a brilliant move on Stein's part. So if the belief is a heresy, it is a heresy of atheism. They invented it. Let them decide what fits and what doesn't. 2. If god were really a being who did not know the future, then he would stand in the same relation to the future as we do, or as Crick's superior aliens would. The future would be beyond god and greater than god. The idea that god is evolving along with the creation, of course, follows naturally. We are all evolving toward the future, so he must be too. In that case, the being described is not God in the Western theistic tradition. I am not saying these things in order to excoriate the belief system (I've heard worse) but simply to explain why one might judge it irrelevant to getting a handle on the ID controversy. Even atheists will - it seems - concede the god of open theism, stuck for some way to get the ball rolling that actually makes sense. But like Dawkins, they don't want the Western theistic God, precisely because of the attributes they reject but (as Bill pointd out) Augustine and others did not.O'Leary
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Hi Bill, You're right that open theism is committed to an epistemically changing God, a God who "experiences succession", we might say. But that's not so clearly a liability as Denyse seems to think. The argument from divine perfection that she alludes to depends on the questionable assumption that all that change must be either for the better or for the worse. As for God's knowledge of the future, the key issue here is the nature of "the future". According to non-open theists, of the many causally possible futures--complete sequences of events subsequent to the present--there is exactly one that is the "actual" future. According to (most) open theists, on the other hand, there is no such thing as "the future" in that sense for God or anyone to know. Instead, open theists conceive of "the future" as the whole branching array of possible futures. Given these respective understandings of "the future", both open and non-open theists can affirm that God has exhaustive knowledge of the future; both can affirm that God believes all truths. There is parity between the two positions here. If non-open theists are right about the nature of the future, then open theists have to deny that God is strictly omniscient. Conversely, if open theists are right about the nature of the future, then it is the non-open theists who compromise God's omniscience by imputing to Him false beliefs (i.e., beliefs to the effect that there is an "actual" future, when there isn't one).Alan Rhoda
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"A god who does not know the future and therefore learns the future (for the first time!) as it unfolds does seem to be an evolving god (we might say “an epistemically evolving god”). " This would also be true of any finite time-bound being who does not know the future, including me. But I am not an epistemically evolving human being. I am a human being who remains identical to himself over time while changing. It does not seem accurate to refer to my acquisition of knowledge that happens as I move through time as "evolution." I am certainly no fan of open theism. But it does not seem to entail theistic evolution or vice versa. Certainly, an argument can be made that process theism is congenial to an evolutionary understanding. Perhaps Denyse is confusing process theism with open theism, which is, by the way, not uncommon mistake for those outside of theology. Alan is a former of student mine at UNLV, who wrote his honors thesis on the design argument (which I directed). He will be joining me next year at the University of Notre Dame. Alan will be a junior fellow in the Center for Philosophy of Religion while I will be the Mary Ann Remick Senior Visiting Fellow in the Center for Ethics & Culture. I do think that Alan is completely wrong about open theism. But he's a good man and a good philosopher.fbeckwith
June 28, 2008
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Alan Rhoda: I'm not sure that Denyse is as off the mark as you claim. A god who does not know the future and therefore learns the future (for the first time!) as it unfolds does seem to be an evolving god (we might say "an epistemically evolving god"). Moreover, Augustine says that any being that does not know the future is not God. So, by Augustine's lights, open theists, in denying the existence of any being that knows the future, deny the existence of God.William Dembski
June 28, 2008
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It's difficult to understand the allure of TE given the lack of predictive power of current evolutionary theory. For example, a recent study of birds is causing extensive revision to their tree of life. Field Museum (2008, June 27). Huge Genome-scale Phylogenetic Study Of Birds Rewrites Evolutionary Tree-of-life. ScienceDaily. Retrieved June 28, 2008, from http://www.sciencedaily.com­ /releases/2008/06/080626141117.htm The authors go as far to say that: Shorebirds are not a basal evolutionary group, which refutes the widely held view that shorebirds gave rise to all modern birds. Also.... "With this study, we learned two major things," said Sushma Reddy, another lead author and Bucksbaum Postdoctoral Fellow at The Field Museum. "First, appearances can be deceiving. Birds that look or act similar are not necessarily related. Second, much of bird classification and conventional wisdom on the evolutionary relationships of birds is wrong." With so many surprises resulting from fundamental research at the genomic level, isn't it time for a new and more accurate theory and narrative for the origin and evolution of species.dgw
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Google Video would host a "thirteen-part TV series on the real arguments for and against design".yqbd
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For the same reason that Richard Dawkins doesn't put the entire text of "The God Delusion" on the internet for free.Barb
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Why aren't ID movies, DVDs and videos legally free on the Internet?yqbd
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Denyse wrote:
"Given the many recent discoveries that challenge Darwinism and materialism, a thirteen-part TV series on the real arguments for and against design is needed."
I couldn't agree more. Additionally, there is much that can be gained by informing the public on just what goes on inside the cell. Right now Darwin's black box is really modern society's black box. A multi-part elucidation on sub cellular mechanics with appropriate commentary of the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary thinking, side by side with clear instruction on design thinking (absent all the pejoratives and motive mongering that accompanies most other commentary) would go along way toward educating the public. I tend to think there would be interest here, perhaps more than anticipated. People tend to respect their teachers, and thus have regard for their opinions and the reasons behind them. If a strong pro-design and pro-science educational multimedia video series were produced, it would do wonders for people's perception of ID, as well as help inform constructively about what really goes on in that little glob of protoplasm. I agree that Expelled fell short of the mark here. It certainly didn't meet my expectations, although I enjoyed watching it. It was priceless seeing Ruse invoke natural selection as an explanation for the first living organism. It was also enlightening seeing Provine confess that science is "boring" if design is true (after all, the pursuit of many materialists in science is to prove that all this god bother is sheer nonsense, and completely unnecessary). I would have liked to see more material on just what Intelligent Design is (and isn't) and why there really is a controversy over naturalistic explanations for the origins and diversity of life, and less about the ties between Darwinism and Nazism.
But I can’t think who would show the series.
It certainly wouldn't be a small task to get it onto cable or broadcast television. I wouldn't expect PBS to show it, but stranger things may have happened. I can say this however. I bought the DVD Unlocking the Mysteries of Life from a Calvary Chapel bookstore when I was investigating material on design versus evolution, and it was a real eye opener. I was (and still am) enamored with the representations of the processes taking place inside the cell, and to see it represented in such a visually rich manner helped immeasurably in providing a peek into systems that are self-evidently a product of surpassingly genius design. @StephenB, brilliantly funny list! :oApollos
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-----Alan Rhoda...."while open theism is compatible with TE, it’s also compatible with YEC and everything in between (including ID)." The point is that open theism is incompatible with the Bible just as TE is incompatible with the Bible except for different reasons. The Christian God is a perfect being and consequently immutable. To be in need change or to be changing is to be imperfect by definition and, therefore to be something other than God. ----"Open theism is committed to three things: (1) Theism, of a broadly classical sort; (2) future contingency; and (3) the idea that future contingency is incompatible with the future’s being epistemically settled for God." That is an unfortunate position to hold. God's omnipotence and omniscience are not in conflict with man's free will. God knows if and when the stock market is going to crash, but that does not mean he causes it to happen.StephenB
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Mike Behe and I should be called theistic evolutionists - we accept conventional dating methods and common descent of living things
Denyse, I am rather surprised by this admission given your tendency to talk about "goo to zoo to you" in a disparaging manner.mich_woodsman
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Just to throw in something along with Alan Fox's objection - I believe Vox Day (who wrote the fantastic The Irrational Atheist) also subscribes to a version of open theism, though frankly he's got very unique views on Christianity and religion in general. I'd feel no more comfortable accusing open theists of atheism than I would of accusing mormons of same. I believe in an omniscient, omnipotent God, but I think there is a vast gulf between open theists and atheists.nullasalus
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Nice post, Denyse, except for the part about open theism. Despite what you may have been told or inferred, there are no essential connections between open theism and theistic evolution. Open theism is committed to three things: (1) Theism, of a broadly classical sort; (2) future contingency; and (3) the idea that future contingency is incompatible with the future's being epistemically settled for God. (For elaboration, I invite you to read my essay "Generic Open Theism and Some Varieties Thereof" recently published in the academic journal Religious Studies 44 (2008): 225–234.) That's it. Hence, while open theism is compatible with TE, it's also compatible with YEC and everything in between (including ID). Finally, your dismissal of open theism as an "atheist heresy" is simply ridiculous. It reflects considerable ignorance not only of open theism but also of a number of complex and heavily discussed philosophical and theological issues, such as the relation of God and time. Keep up your good work promoting ID, Denyse, but please don't drag in issues like open theism that you are ill-prepared to comment on. Thanks.Alan Rhoda
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-----Denyse: "The film’s strongest point is that Stein is way too smart to waste a second on “theistic” evolution - the idea that we know that God exists by faith alone. On that view, God’s actions in the world around us are supposedly indistinguishable from chance events, so design is an illusion and faith means taking a leap without evidence." In the spirit of, “You might be a redneck.” (If your family tree doesn’t fork) You might be a theistic evolutionist if: If you believe that God can do the selecting and, at the same time, nature can do the selecting, you might be a TE. If you believe that evolutionary process can be both conscious and intentional and unconscious and unintentional, you might be a TE. If you believe that a process can be both guided and unguided, you may be a TE. If you believe that design can produce evolution and that evolution can produce design, you might be a TE. If you believe that contingency is objective when doing your science and subjective when doing your theology, you might be a TE. If you believe that a purposeful, mindful creator would use a purposeless, mindless process, you might be a TE. If you believe that any given plan can provide for many possible outcomes and only one possible outcome, you might be a TE. If you use the language of teleology while arguing on behalf of non-teleology, you might be a TE. If you think God revealed himself in Scripture and hid himself in nature, you might be a TE. If you unjustly accuse ID scientists of having religious motives, while, ironically, falling back on the theological objection of “bad design,” you might be a TE. If you insist that there is “no conflict between religion and science,” while embracing methodological naturalism, which depends on a conflict between religion and science, you might be a TE. If you believe that evolution, which cannot be seen, is empirically detectable, while intelligent design, which can be seen, is empirically undetectable, you might be a TE. If, when asked how an empirically based design inference could possibly be a faith based presupposition, you answer, “because Judge Jones said so,” you might be a TE. If you appeal to Mr. Design, St.Thomas Aquinas, to argue against intelligent design, you might be a TE. If you believe that a proposition can be true and false at the same time and under the same formal circumstances, you might be a TE. If your atheist friends insist that you are a “devout” Christian, you might be a TE. If you deny that these formulations are fair, or if you claim to have no idea what I am talking about, you are definitely a TE.StephenB
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