Box: How do the materialists on this forum explain the fine tuning of the universe?
Zachriel: the scientific answer is we don’t know and we can only speculate at this time.
Not a single clue, right?
Zachriel: No, you can’t default to design as a scientific claim.
Surely you are mistaken. True science doesn't rule out design. If the fine tuning cannot be explained by natural law or by chance then design is the only scientific explanation.Box
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It’s an amazing coincidence that the velocity of the magnetic force is exactly the same as the velocity of light. It’s an amazing coincidence that inertial mass is exactly the same as gravitational mass.
All science so far!
By the way, the cosmic expansion rate has a plausible explanation, so that casts doubt on the entire argument.
Cuz you say so! More science.
Rather, the constants are not determined by *known* laws of nature.
And a promissory note? But still no science.
That’s why it’s called speculation. However, it is consistent with certain theories of cosmic formation that include the Big Bang.
The big bang and certain theories of cosmic formation are consistent with the Bible. Just sayin'...Joe
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No, you can’t default to design as a scientific claim.
And another person who doesn't understand what the word "default" means. It's as if willful ignorance is a requirement to be an anti-IDist.Joe
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The fine tuning argument is flawed because it assumes upfront that the universe must absolutely come into existence in its current form.
Cuz you say so? Really?
There’s no requirement that a universe supporting life come into existence.
We don't know that.
Any other universe or no other universe would have been just fine.
How do you know?Joe
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The fine tuning argument is flawed because it assumes upfront that the universe must absolutely come into existence in its current form.
This is like saying that Paul must absolutely win the lottery...after he actually won it. The odds of Paul winning are very slim, about 1 in several hundred million. But there's no point in claiming that this can't happen by chance because there was no requirement that a certain Mr. Paul win the lottery in the first place. Anybody or nobody could have won it.
It's the same with the universe. There's no requirement that a universe supporting life come into existence. Any other universe or no other universe would have been just fine. Therefore the astronomically low odds associated with it are pointless and meaningless.
It's unfortunate that creationists, including some scientists, fail to grasp this simple point.Evolve
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DrCraigVideos: The constants and quantities are not determined by the laws of nature.
It's an amazing coincidence that the velocity of the magnetic force is exactly the same as the velocity of light. It's an amazing coincidence that inertial mass is exactly the same as gravitational mass.
By the way, the cosmic expansion rate has a plausible explanation, so that casts doubt on the entire argument.
DrCraigVideos: The constants and quantities are not determined by the laws of nature.
Rather, the constants are not determined by *known* laws of nature.
DrCraigVideos: There's no scientific evidence for the existence of the multiverse.
That's why it's called speculation. However, it is consistent with certain theories of cosmic formation that include the Big Bang.
DrCraigVideos: A single observer.
That one makes no sense at all.
Box: How do the materialists on this forum explain the fine tuning of the universe?
Can't speak for materialists, but the scientific answer is we don't know and we can only speculate at this time. No, you can't default to design as a scientific claim. ETA: You can speculate, though. It's a pretty big gap.Zachriel
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How do the materialists on this forum explain the fine tuning of the universe? Are they all multi-universalists?
BTW this is a very well-made video.Box