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For Those Keeping Count, Colorado Had Negative 272 COVID Deaths Friday

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The Colorado Department of Health has been caught inflating COVID 19 deaths. A state lawmaker has requested a criminal investigation.

He also provided another letter dated April 17 from the Someren Glen senior care center to its staff, residents, and residents’ families. The Centennial facility’s letter said CPDHE had overruled the cause of death findings by attending physicians in order to list seven deaths as being caused by COVID-19.

This will come as a surprise to absolutely no one. In March, the scientific advisor to the Italian Minister of Health stated: “On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three.”

The same thing has been going on in Colorado. The Department of Heath said:

“We classify a death as confirmed when there was a case who had a positive SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) laboratory test and then died. We also classify some deaths as probable,” their statement said.

That method changed, however, on Friday. Colorado Gov. Jared Polis and CDPHE announced that going forward, cases in which people had COVID-19 and died of another cause will be recorded separately from the deaths that were caused by COVID-19.

And with the new counting protocol, poof! Colorado’s COVID death count dropped overnight from 1,019 to 878.

In a separate story, it was reported that the governor has ordered the state’s Department of Health to stop tinkering with the numbers:

Polis said when there is a gray area, state officials should rely on the ruling from the coroner or physicians and that “nobody behind a desk should ever second-guess a coroner or an attending physician that lists the cause of death on a certificate.”

“I’ve told [CDPHE] to make sure they’re very clear in their reporting,” he said.

Polis added that there are only a few cases where the official cause of death isn’t clear.

“What the people of Colorado want to know is not who died with COVID, but who died of COVID-19,” Polis said. 

In its defense, the Department of Health said they were just doing what CDC told them to do. Exactly. CDC told them to inflate the numbers and they did. Colorado is just one state of 50, a smaller one at that. One wonders where the COVID death numbers would stand if all of the states adjusted their numbers to reflect reality instead of political diktats.

Scaremongers like Orthomyxo have pushed back against the mountain of evidence that deaths were being over-counting, even insisting that, if anything, deaths have been under- counted. The truth is becoming harder and harder to deny. And that must infuriate the Orthos of this world who have been frenetically trying to keep us all in panic mode.

Speculation regarding the motives of the scaremongers abounds. Some have suggested that it is in progressives’ interest to keep the population terrified, because they believe terrified voters will turn on the bad orange man in November.

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AaronS1978
The Promiscuity is the thing that actually really upset me about him.
I’m not generally opposed to promiscuity as long as they haven’t made promises (vows) to someone else. But if a person is being promiscuous without taking precautions, they are a public health risk. And that I have a problem with. Our actions come with consequences and responsibilities.
Now when it comes to how political this virus is, there is definitely a political war involved with this virus.
In your country far more than most.
But the two struggling parties are equally guilty even though it is my opinion that the Democrats are more guilty than the Republicans in this cases when It to comes being manipulative and dishonest
Speaking as someone from outside your borders, I would have to disagree. Yes, they are both trying to make political points out of this but the fact that the Republicans blindly support this narcissist is a mystery to us. From Canada, we watched the US admin deny PPE being delivered to Canada until it was pointed out that the materials used to make the masks comes from Canada. The perception of Trump from outside the US is that he is a schoolyard bully. To him, everything is a competition where he must win and others must lose. This approach, although benefitting the US in the short term, will result in huge negatives. A simple example is that Canada will no longer rely on 3M from the US for the supply of their N95 masks.Ed George
May 17, 2020
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I'm not sure it's worth replying to some of these, but let's go... BobRyan, I presume you are referring to Neal Fergusson, who resigned because he was found to have ignored the lockdown orders, not because of the supposed failure of his model. This virus is much more infective than the flu. You are forgetting that the ship outbreaks were subject to quarantine and evacuations that limited the spread (even then, hitting 20% of a ships complement in a few weeks is much more rapid than the flu, where infected individuals infects another ~1.3 people on average). Serology suggests as much as 20% of NYC may have got covid-19 already, despite the lockdown. That's a higher proportion than get the flu in an entire season (without lockdown and physical distancing). So I thnk it's quite clear the virus is more infective than the flu. ET, I don't really follow the logic, what does our current ability to chemically synthesise proteins have to do with whether the genetic code works via a series of chemical reactions? Protein synthesis works just fine in a test tube, by the way. Though all the methods that I know about use cell extracts (i.e. ribosomes and proteins are taken from cells and put into solution in a test tube) to get teh reagents, I don't know what bearing that has on teh question.orthomyxo
May 17, 2020
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@ Ed George To give you a little background on my friend he’s a homosexual and he lives very promiscuously. It really upset me because the fact that he actually risks his life to live the lifestyle that he did. (He grew up some he no longer does) The Promiscuity is the thing that actually really upset me about him Him and I got would get into large and very long arguments about the lethality of HIV He would always downplay it, I would tell him he needs to stick with one person, and he would always say it wasn’t a big deal HIV is still an expensive death sentence and still kills more people then corona And personally I’d rather have coronavirus over HIV any day of the week if I have not already had the virus which I think I have (getting tested for antibodies) On the flipside he is scared shitless of corona while I am not He’s locked horns with me on this subject that he has very little understanding about, almost every day since this started Anyways I find him to be highly hypocritical about the entirety of the whole situation That’s what I have to say about HIV when it comes to him and why I brought it up At what you said about that it was obvious because it was from FB, I understand, that’s why I commented on it and not you. I knew that it was fallacious and I would hope that you didn’t write that statement, that’s why I didn’t say Ed George you’re a dumb dumb for saying that ;p Now when it comes to how political this virus is, there is definitely a political war involved with this virus It has been my experience that those that are very much for this quarantine and want to lock everything down almost indefinitely are extremely liberal. And extreme conservatives that want to kill the lock down Point in case I would definitely look at the numbers between Michigan and Texas Most the people that challenged me on this are liberal I’d say about 78% of the time My friends commented about how this disease took away the one thing that the president had going for him was not the only time that has been stated to me, which got me counting the perspectives I have noticed that it is definitely a tug-of-war Between two parties that are using this disease to gain power and to get rid of somebody that they don’t like I’m not a big fan of the president ( he says some amazingly dumb things) but I have found that the Democrats are incredibly underhanded so there’s not really one party here in America that you can honestly trust So when you say it’s a political circus, it very much is, and I am actually very sick of it But the two struggling parties are equally guilty even though it is my opinion that the Democrats are more guilty than the Republicans in this cases when It to comes being manipulative and dishonestAaronS1978
May 17, 2020
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The Hoover Institution’s Richard Epstein got an enormous amount of grief for writing an essay posted on March 16 about policies for the outbreak, initially estimating that the toll of the coronavirus would be only 500 people, and then revising it upward to 5,000, and then later to 50,000. Epstein called it, “the single largest unforced intellectual error in my entire academic career, when I included numerical estimates about the possible impact of the coronavirus in terms of life and death. Those estimates were obviously ridiculously too low.” All of us, from the president and Fauci to the kids down the street are trying to grapple with the unknown. Just about all of us are going to get something wrong at some point. Here we are, May 15, and we’re still not entirely sure whether children are largely immune to this virus, or whether some portion will develop “multisystem inflammatory syndrome” some months or weeks later. (The current leading theory is that this is some sort of delayed reaction by a child’s immune system after fighting off the virus.) Thankfully, this syndrome appears to be unlikely to kill children. We think we’re less likely to catch the virus outside — it may be much, much less likely. Vitamin D might be a factor — or maybe it’s a more general sense that the vitamin is just good for your immune system in general. We’re not sure how long the antibodies against this virus will stay in human bodies. We’re pretty sure masks help, but we’re not sure how much, or how effectively people will wear them. A prominent virologist thinks he caught the virus through his eyes on a crowded flight because he was wearing a mask and gloves the entire time. It appears humans can spread the virus to dogs, but dogs cannot spread the virus to people. What we know can change. Perhaps our appetite for rubbing someone’s nose in their getting something wrong has created an enormous disincentive for anyone ever admitting they’re wrong — and an inadvertent incentive for stubbornly clinging to an assessment, even in the face of mounting counter-evidence. https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/being-wrong-is-human-and-will-happen-but-staying-wrong-is-a-choice/rhampton7
May 17, 2020
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Earth to Ortho: If the genetic code worked via chemical reactions then we should be able to synthesize the chemicals and get those reactions to work in a test tube. Yet we can't do that. So either scientists are dumber than mindless nature or it isn't as you think.ET
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Todd Wood Here's what I know about this outbreak. Everything about it is a classic, natural viral outbreak. I've seen absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. The concern that prompted the drastic social distancing was the rapid rate at which this virus spread, combined with early estimates of a fatality rate about ten times higher than the flu. Have we learned more and revised those estimates? Of course we have, that's what science does. We learn new things and revise our models. It's not the sign of a scam. Why do we social distance? Because research has shown that it works to slow the spread of the virus, which prevents hospitals from being overloaded, which means more people get effective treatment and survive. Don't believe me? Here's the paper that convinced me that social distancing, quarantines, and lockdowns work. https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7582 "Flattening the curve" is not a cliche or a buzzword. It saved people's lives in 1918, and it's saving people's lives now. Here's another thing I know: The much-touted difference between Norway and Sweden is statistically significant. Really, really significant. Here are the actual new case counts for both countries: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qWbtQxoNH8U/XrhUfCxNTSI/AAAAAAAAC7Q/272vFpTf0AEo55rRmGTd0hxUq6dnqtXaACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/SwedenNorwayCOVID.jpg Here's Dr. Rob Carter from Creation Ministries International. Like me, he's a young-earth creationist and has a background in molecular biology. He's a dyed-in-the-wool, conservative scholar, much like me. What does he think? https://youtu.be/B4bupkt2FGU “ What a load of bunk." - Dr. Rob Carter OK, how about a Christian who's actually studied viruses? Dr. Jennifer Gruenke started a blog about all this to help spread good information about the COVID-19 crisis. Here's her assessment of conspiracy theories: I get the impression that the idea behind these conspiracy theories is that if something bad happens, it can't be due to nature, it must be human agency -- the natural is safe and the artificial is dangerous. But this belief is deeply at odds with the biology. Nature wants to eat you. Source: Don't believe the covid conspiracy theories. http://toddcwood.blogspot.com/2020/05/youre-being-lied-to-truth-about-pandemic.html?m=1rhampton7
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AaronS1978
This is grossly inaccurate and completely downplays why people don’t want the lockdown
I thought that was obvious by my stating that it came from FB.
Now I’m gonna take a wild swing at their political affiliation here Pretty sure they’re a liberal
Or a moderate conservative.
Now I think it’s worth noting that I can guess your political affiliation pretty accurately based on how enthusiastic you are about the lockdown
Enthusiastic? That would be a leap. Necessary is more accurate. With regard to political affiliation, I have none. I am a fiscal conservative, if that helps.
And my very liberal ex friend who is so terrified of the coronavirus yet has no fear of HIV
I have no fear of HIV either. I don’t see the relationship. One is highly contagious, and the other is largely an STD.
Do you wonder why this type of back-and-forth is going on? well that’s probably because of stupidity like that
I agree that in the US it is being used as a political football, strongly encouraged by the President’s behaviour. I live in Ontario, Canada. Our premier is a populist conservative and our Prime Minister is a socialist liberal. But we don’t see the polarizing nonsense that we are seeing in the US.Ed George
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“I mean you have to admit it’s hilarious that the people who have spent their entire lives stockpiling beans & ammo and publishing newsletters about preparing to shelter in place during a global crisis are the ones having meltdowns because they can’t go to the Cheesecake Factory.” This is grossly inaccurate and completely downplays why people don’t want the lockdown People are losing their businesses and their livelihoods over this lockdown, even killing themselves over this Whoever wrote this is an ignoramus Now I’m gonna take a wild swing at their political affiliation here Pretty sure they’re a liberal Now I think it’s worth noting that I can guess your political affiliation pretty accurately based on how enthusiastic you are about the lockdown I shouldn’t be able to do that So that should tell everybody something Another curious thing is Michigan and their little tyrant has slightly more infected and many more dead then Texas, very interesting numbers because they both sport similar infection rates but one has much much fewer deaths This virus seems more like a political thing than anything else And my very liberal ex friend who is so terrified of the coronavirus yet has no fear of HIV (previous argument I had with him years ago) Happened to let it slip that this virus took the one thing that Trump had going for him the economy Do you wonder why this type of back-and-forth is going on? well that’s probably because of stupidity like thatAaronS1978
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What is hilarious is that losers have to make shit up about other people in order to make themselves feel better.ET
May 17, 2020
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From a FB post I received:
I mean you have to admit it’s hilarious that the people who have spent their entire lives stockpiling beans & ammo and publishing newsletters about preparing to shelter in place during a global crisis are the ones having meltdowns because they can’t go to the Cheesecake Factory.
Ed George
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Ortho, just on a point of background, what do you know about computer architecture, machine code, transfer machines, NC machines, telecommunication systems architecture and related matters such as the ISO OSI framework for layer-cake information systems and networks? KFkairosfocus
May 17, 2020
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Doubter, I think more generally the pandemic has hit elderly and those with preconditions hardest, globally. KFkairosfocus
May 17, 2020
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Considering the basis for the projected pandemic, which hasn't actually occured due to lack of deaths, are based on a person who resigned in disgrace over getting things so wrong, it is no wonder deaths are being falsely inflated. The formula he was supposed to have used does not work and no one can make it work. His projection was not based on science, but belief that it was more lethal than it actually was. Those projections that governors continue to use to justify their actions are based on the projections from the same person who panicked much of the world. The projections said Sweden was going to have 100,000 dead by May 1. The most recent number for Sweden shows 3674. April 21 still shows the highest number of deaths in a single day. From various naval vessels, including cruise ships, we know the infection rate to be somewhere between 20-25%, which makes it less contagious than influenza. Influenza is not picky when it comes to killing people, since no weakening of the system is required to be lethal.BobRyan
May 16, 2020
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Wow, quick hits for these.... The new classifications in colorado appear to be due to three deaths reported as covid-19 by public health but without that information on the death certificate (7 total deaths in a rest home, 4 of which had the diesase on teh certificate (https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-nursing-home-deaths-colorado-public-health/). The difference of 271 deaths comes from relying only on death-certificate indications, but those take longer to process that public health notifications so we can expect the two numbers to converge for older cases (precisely what the article I linked to says). Obviously the alcohol poisoning case shouldn't' be included in the covid-19 deaths. I just content that tens of cases like this will be outweighed by the excess mortality that is clearly in CDC data, not that everyone with the virus in their system should be counted as a covid death. The thing that sparked the genetic code posts was you incredulous question "“Are you suggesting that the genetic code works through a series of chemical reactions?" Whatever claims you might have added after the fact are not very relevant.orthomyxo
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Oh my… It didn’t seem to me that UB was even mounting a defence of your claim that the genetic code doesn’t work through a series of chemical reactions.
Two lies in one sentence. 1. Otho did know UB was attacking Ortho's claim that the genetic code is nothing but a "chemical reaction." Knowing that he was entirely outmatched and he would never be able to defend his indefensible claim, he simply slunk away from the site for a few days, hoping no one would notice. Too bad Ortho. We noticed. 2. I never claimed the process "doesn’t work through a series of chemical reactions." And Otho knows this. The issue was not whether chemical reactions are involved in the process. My claim was that the genetic code is an information system that regulates the chemical reactions in the same way the information system on this computer I am typing on regulates the electromagnetic reactions in the CPU. In both cases, the system would not operate but for the coding (genetic code in one; computer code in the other). Ortho, your lies are getting tiresome. Fortunately, they are not very subtle and everyone sees through them.
KF’s posts were entirely indecipherable to me.
That you could not understand (or, more likely, refused to acknowledge) the basic concepts KF was elucidating is why you slunk off in the first place. Nice of you to come clean on that.Barry Arrington
May 16, 2020
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I would like to see how Ortho spins this case. Here's the report:
When police in Cortez, Colorado were called to Cortez City Park early on the morning of May 4, they found Sebastian Yellow, 35, lying on the ground and called it out as a code “Frank,” meaning Yellow had died, according to a police report obtained by CBS4. Within a week, local Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers determined Yellow had died of acute alcohol poisoning, his blood alcohol measured at .55, nearly twice the lethal limit. But Deavers said that before he even signed the death certificate, the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment had already categorized Yellow’s death as being due to COVID-19 and it was tabulated that way on the state’s website. “I can see no reason for this”, said Deavers.
OK Ortho. Ball's in your court. Spin away. Barry Arrington
May 16, 2020
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Ortho cites a news article in which state department of health official are quoted trying to justify their invidious and irresponsible juggling of the numbers. Yes, Ortho, I will grant that when guilty bureaucrats are caught, they try to cover their guilt. No one, except possibly Ortho and his fellow travelers, believes this is anything other than bureaucrat ass covering. Here are the plain facts that are beyond dispute: The attending physicians listed a non-COVID cause of death on the death certificates. Bureaucrats at the Department of Health -- who had never even seen the patient -- overrode those determinations and listed them as COVID deaths. The bureaucrats got caught and reduced the statewide count by over 200. The governor of Colorado called them to account. Now Ortho comes in and says "believe me and the ass covering bureaucrats, not the attending physicians." It is not surprising, given his history, that Ortho would pull a stunt like this. It is truly astonishing that he would expect anyone to believe him. Ortho takes me to task for my "emotional" response to his antics. Why yes, I did have some emotions when he pulled facts out of his ass and attempted to palm them off as data. Disgust, shock, sadness. Any rational person would.Barry Arrington
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Oh my... It didn't seem to me that UB was even mounting a defence of your claim that the genetic code doesn't work through a series of chemical reactions. They just enumerated some of the reactions and tried to make something out of the word discontinuous. KF's posts were entirely indecipherable to me.orthomyxo
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Barry, you have a tendency to react emotionally to conclusions but ignore the evidence used to reach them. I have a pretty good track record on topic (appreciating the scale of this threat when you didn't, seeing the flaws in the now revised but still flawed antibody study, knowing what the imperial model papers said which countries they modeled), so you might have reason to think I know what I'm talking about here. And sure enough, the two numbers are expected to converge as outstanding death certificates are processed: https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/colorado-now-breaking-down-deaths-due-to-covid-19-versus-people-who-died-with-covid-19 So, pulled less from my ass and more from some understanding of public health reporting processes...orthomyxo
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By the way Ortho welcome back. I noticed that you tucked your tail and slunk off after you got your ass handed to you by UB and KF and others over your "the genetic code works solely by chemical reactions" idiocy. I'm glad you licked your wounds and jumped back into the fray. Thatta boy.Barry Arrington
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I don’t know, but suspect some of these 200 or so reclassified deaths will be recent ones for which the death certificate is not yet in the system.
Ortho, please stop pulling facts out of your ass. If you had read the linked story, you would have known that the numbers were inflated because bureaucrats were overriding what the attending physician wrote ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE. Do you think they would have been referred for criminal charges if it was just a timing issue.Barry Arrington
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The idea that a large number of people are dying with, rather than of, covid19 doesn’t really hold up to inspection.
Unless the person inspecting is the actual attending physician whose decision on cause of death was overridden by a bureaucracy inflating the numbers. Ortho, give up. Even a passionate progressive like the governor of the state of Colorado knows you are wrong. Stop. You and people like you are doing untold damage, both in the panic caused by your scaremongering and in the loss of trust in the official numbers when officials are caught red handed monkeying with the numbers (which does not seem to matter to you).Barry Arrington
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The idea that a large number of people are dying with, rather than of, covid19 doesn't really hold up to inspection. The death rate in the US is about 0.7% per year. People that recover from covid usually so in 2 weeks, so divide by 26 to get a ~0.03% chance of dieing with the virus in your system. There are 20,000 known cases in Colorado, so we can expect about 6 people to die with covid of the disease is not shortening lives. There are more than 1000 reported deaths, so any tweaking you might do to the abicey unlikely to change the result materially. We also know the death rate in Colorado has increased by much more than the reported deaths https://gazette.com/users/login/?referer_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgazette.com%2Fpremium%2Fcovid-19-deaths-undercounted-amid-virus-cascading-mortality-effect-in-colorado-cdc-data-show%2Farticle_348e86de-917d-11ea-b4d0-2f0228887de2.html%3Fsave_asset%3D348e86de-917d-11ea-b4d0-2f0228887de2 I don't know, but suspect some of these 200 or so reclassified deaths will be recent ones for which the death certificate is not yet in the system (i.e. some may well go back to be being covid deaths, but are now in the backlog of certificates waiting to be processed)orthomyxo
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Ed George implies that the deaths should not have been reclassified. Under his analysis, if you had terminal stage four cancer and were going to die on Tuesday, but instead you got COVID and died on Monday, well, you died of COVID. *palm face* If Ed had read the linked story he would have learned that the scandal arose because the bureaucrats at the health department were reversing the cause of death determinations of the attending physicians. Neither those bureaucrats nor Ed George know better than the attending physicians what the cause of death of their patients was.Barry Arrington
May 16, 2020
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Odd. Ed George, Doubter, and Sev are happier with the numbers artificially inflated. Weird. Andrewasauber
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Seversky's analysis consists of mocking and sneering. Typical. That really advances the ball Sev. Thanks.Barry Arrington
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Doubter points to Sweden's experiment. Well, Sweden is attempting to obtain herd immunity sooner to lessen the impact of the second wave. That's true. So far its death rate is in the middle of the pack in Europe, better than Italy, Spain and the UK, not as good as Denmark, Norway and Germany. Here's the key thing though. All of the experts say that the lockdowns are NOT designed to lower total deaths. They are designed to flatten the curve, thus spreading them out and not overwhelming the healthcare system. Doubter does not seem to understand this. We do not know whether Sweden's gamble will pay off. So far it is looking like it will. Their healthcare system was never in danger of being overwhelmed. They did far less damage to their economy. And--again key--the future will tell us whether they have been able to mitigate (perhaps eliminate) the second wave. Doubter also says that in Sweden the bulk of the deaths have been among the old and infirm. He seems to imply that Sweden's experience is unique in this regard. If that is what he thinks, he is staggeringly ignorant. Over 90% of the deaths have been among the elderly and infirm everywhere, including those countries he holds up as examples to emulate. Doubter, you really should get a clue about the basic facts that everyone agrees on before you comment.Barry Arrington
May 16, 2020
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If COVID-19 hastened a natural death then it is a COVID-19 death. The same criteria used to classify flu deaths.Ed George
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No doubt there will soon be a directive from the White House that all deaths where the deceased was infected with the coronavirus will be reclassified as cause of death being COVFEFE-19, meaning something like what the duty officer at Pearl Harbor said, well, yes, there's something there - but don't worry about it.Seversky
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From a news report:
"Unlike its European neighbors, Sweden never issued mandatory shelter-in-place orders for its citizens to try to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Social distancing was voluntary for its 10.2 million residents, and businesses and elementary and middle schools have largely remained open as the pandemic worked its way north from Italy and Spain. While the government did ban public gatherings of more than 50 people, restricted bar service and forced high schools and universities to switch to online learning, the goal was to achieve herd immunity from the virus, which would necessitate at least 60 percent of the population catching it. The thinking was that if a large percentage of the population could develop antibodies for COVID-19 while the most vulnerable citizens were kept in quarantine, the country would be better off as the search for a vaccine drags on. In reality, however, nearly half of Sweden’s 3,646 reported COVID-19 deaths have been of senior citizens living in assisted care. Sweden has also recorded more than three times the number of deaths reported in Norway, Denmark and Finland combined and has a higher death rate from the disease per capita than the United States."
The unfolding Swedish gamble appears to be going as predicted by many epidemiologists. The Swedish approach has been resulting in many more deaths from COVID-19, a large proportion being the elderly and infirm. Achieving "herd immunity" has been largely on the backs of the elderly and infirm with preexisting heart and lung conditions, the highest risk group. Oh well, maybe COVID-19 is just nature's way of culling the herd of the old and unfit, no longer contributing to society, in fact a drain on society (sarcasm). Of course, skeptics like BA will claim these death rate figures are grossly miscounted by the local authorities, but I wonder who, in Sweden, is doing this, when there the authorities themselves are fully behind the "achieve herd immunity - it's worth it" approach?doubter
May 16, 2020
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