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How does the actor act?

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Although ID continues to gather supporters, it happens now and again that erstwhile ID supporters lose their enthusiasm and jump ship. One such former supporter is a very prominent European scientist. I met him first in 2004, when he was still attracted to ID. Now he is no longer. I asked him about this recently:

Question: If not ID, what then? The Darwinists are bankrupt. And the self-organizational theorists are hopelessly fuzzy. James Shapiro — he presupposes the very thing that needs to be explained, namely, the origin of systems that perform their own “natural genetic engineering.” Kirschner and Gerhardt are no better with their “facilitated variation” — whence the facilitation?

He responded:

Excellent question of course. So the search continues… [sic] As for ID, more fundamental work on the practicality of design detection is crucial — and your strength. But in the end, ID will only fly if a more concrete story can be told about the mechanism of design implementation, how the actor acts.

This objection has always seemed to me, at least in part, to miss the point, seeking to reduce an act of creative intelligence to a mechanism (on the order of reducing consciousness to computation). And yet, the question of how design gets implemented in natural history does seem to be critical to understanding ID.

Thoughts?

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But in the end, ID will only fly if a more concrete story can be told about the mechanism of design implementation, how the actor acts.
If the designer of nature turns out to be outside of nature, then we may not have the means or the capacity to understand the mechanism.russ
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Dear Bill, Could you ask your acquaintance why hypotheses about dark matter and dark energy are legitimate when the mechanism is totally unknown and the only evidence of it is remote galaxies that aren't moving exactly as predicted by the law of gravity? And speaking of things without mechanisms what about gravity itself? Newton discovered it through its effects but we still don't know the mechanism behind it. Intelligent design is recognized by its effect. It's quite possible we'll never discover the mechanism. All we can do is acknowledge the evidence we do have, keep gathering more, and hope there's an answer waiting to be found.DaveScot
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I'm going to take a stab at an analogy here, partly to make a point and partly to see if I understand what is meant here by "mechanism". I'm a graphic designer whose experience in and around the printing industry 'straddles' the advent of computer tecnology. In other words, today the 'mechanism' for print design is a computer (and software, of course). But I understand the "mechanism" for designing printed brochures, catalogs, etc. from BEFORE the advent of computers, which revolutionized the industry. So, you have one product… let's say a catalog. One was designed and printed in 1981 and one was designed and printed in 2007. Both are products of intelligent design, but in one case the designer used illustration board, rubylith, non-photo blue pencils, white artist's tape, a pica pole, T-square, triangles, wax, etc. to create the mechanical "camera-ready art" that was then used (indirectly) to burn printing plates and then print the catalog. The other catalog was designed on a computer using no physical materials at all… just software. An electronic file was produced which was sent to an imagesetting device that then generated a printing plate and from that, the catalog was printed. Same product, all the result of intelligent design, but via two different mechanisms. Conclusion: The mechanism is irrelevant. Does the analogy work, or did I misunderstand something?TRoutMac
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