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How pro-Darwin Catholic biochemist Ken Miller came to be hated one fifth as much as non-Darwin Catholic biochemist Michael Behe

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Bill Dembski noted that the inimitable PZ Myers has attacked Ken Miller, anti-ID Catholic poster boy, for thinking there is any evidence for theism.

I agree that PZ is having another junior moment, but it is nonetheless instructive.

National Center for Science Education’s Eugenie Scott, who knows more about retailing crude Darwinism to middle American shopaholics than anyone, has insisted, “One clergyman with a backward collar is worth two biologists at a school board meeting any day!”

 (Yes, she really apparently told Science and Theology News that in April, 2002. I would be curious to know if she would say the same thing in the same terms today.)

When I first started writing By Design or by Chance?, my recent book on why there is an intelligent design controversy in North America today, I found constitutional lawyer Phillip Johnson’s comments on theistic evolution (the point of view Miller espouses) illuminating. Johnson is the godfather of the ID guys, but don’t let that deter you. He wrote that it is culturally okay to say

As a Christian, I believe by faith that God is responsible for evolution.

but

It is emphatically not acceptable to say, “As a scientist, I see evidence that organisms were designed by a preexisting intelligence, and therefore other objective observers should also infer the existence of a designer.”

because

The former statement is within the bounds of methodological naturalism, and most scientific naturalists will interpret it to mean nothing more than ‘It gives me comfort to believe in God, and so I will.’ The latter statement brings the designer into the territory of objective reality, and that is what methodological naturalism forbids.

Miller, alas, seems to have drawn some conclusions from believing in God that do not amount simply to joining a mob against ID – hence genuine Darwinists attack him.

But what intrigued me most about Johnson’s analysis was his thoughts on the hatred directed against ID biochemist Michael Behe. Behe wrote, in Darwin’s Black Box ,

For the record, I have no reason to doubt that the universe is the billions of years old that physicists say it is. I find the idea of common descent (that all organisms share a common ancestor) fairly convincing, and have no particular reason to doubt it. Although Darwin’s mechanism — natural selection working on variation — might explain many things, however, I do not believe it explains molecular life.

That would seem to make him a theistic evolutionist. But as Johnson notes at the beginning of the passage quoted above, that is not what “theistic evolution” currently means:

The defining characteristic of theistic evolution, however, is that it accepts methodological naturalism and confines the theistic element to the subjective area of “religious belief.”

In other words, theistic evolution today means believing things for which there is no evidence. Behe’s sin is that he thinks he has evidence. He is not supposed to have evidence; he is only supposed to reassure pious old ladies that no matter what is happening in the world of science, everything is just fine, just fine, just fine.

It would also help if he would wear fake hair and a slick preacher suit instead of having the fashion sense of a research biochemist. But First Things first.

As I like to say, no wonder there is an intelligent design controversy.

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Francis Beckwith: Great going! Would that a little epistemology and philosophy were required in the schools—maybe then it wouldn't be so easy to get away with all this obfuscation and inexcusable confusion. Karl Pfluger: “Methodological naturalism forbids not the idea of a designer, but rather the idea of a supernatural one. Johnson's statement reveals his precommitment to the idea that the designer must be God.” WRONG! Methodological naturalism forbids the idea of any designer that might possibily be God and any suggestion that there might be purpose in our existence. Folks in ID will disagree over whether or how God transcends nature (and is thus “supernatural”). All that ID claims is that we know design when we see it—we produce it all the time—and we have never seen chance and necessity design anything. We lay our cards on the table—where are theirs?Rude
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How do you test I.D? I know Behe suggested testing to see if bacteria can evolve an IC structure. But this is testing evolution, and the test he suggested would be a way to say "evolution can't do it". I.D. doesn't become the default answer if evolution loses.Fross
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avocationist wrote: The comments of Alan and Karl are so shocking, so embarrassing to them, that there is little point in discussion. Alan Fox responded: "I don't feel embarrassed, avocationist, so could you explain why you think I should be?" I'm not embarrassed either, avocationist. What faux pas have we committed?Karl Pfluger
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Alan Fox: two things. First of all, ID most emphatically does NOT require the designer to be supernatural. It just attempts to detect design. THroughout all of human history and in nearly every culture, it has been held that the creator/originator(s) of matter and life were supernatural. But that doesn't mean that these beliefs were correct or justified. Second, while it is true that the instruments of science, being material, cannot detect the substance of the supernatural directly, they are certainly able to detect effects.tinabrewer
September 10, 2006
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But science does not deny the supernatural. It just can't detect it. I agree with you that, that is how things should work. The problem that has occurred, however -- and it is undeniable -- is that an establishment speaking in the name of science has made a claim that the supernatural is unnecessary -- foolish to consider even -- to explain the development of life and of the universe. And the it should be noted that technically, ID does not require the supernatural. . .I would be grateful if you could explain further. ID is about the criteria used for detecting intelligently design, not about naming the designer. The techique is not restricted by the chemcial composition of the item under investigation, whether it be an arrowhead found in the woods or a flagellum.tribune7
September 10, 2006
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"In my view, science is a method for studying what is detectable, observable or measurable. Anything capable of being scrutinised by the scientific method is not supernatural, by definition." The definition that "science is a method for studying what is detectable, observable or measurable" is only detectable, observable, or measurable if it is descriptive. But a descriptive statement about a discipline cannot tell us anything about whether science will be that way in the future or whether the way it is practiced today is in fact mistaken in some instances. So, a descriptive definition cannot exclude non-natural accounts a priori. However, if the definition is prescriptive (or normative) that "science is a method for studying what is detectable, observable or measurable," then the definition itself is not science since prescriptive statements are not established by whether they are detectable, observatble, or measureable (e.g., "I just detected that `one ought to be rational" makes no sense.). The norm--"one ought to act rationally"--does not depend on any description except if that description requires a telos or purpose, e.g., the mind has a proper functon to be rational. But then we are on the turf of natural teleology. But even if we assume that definition normative, problems of ambiguity and vagueness abound. For example, what does it mean to say that something is detectable? For example, I infer my neighbor's personhood from his actions, speech, etc., but I don't have direct access to his person per se. On the other hand, my own self-consciousness is not detectable, observable, or measurable since I just have first person awareness of it. I don't "detect" or "observe" my own consciousness; it is the first principle, the starting point, at which I detect, observe and measure other things. The detecting, observing, and measuring "I" is the subject, not the object.fbeckwith
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Everyone has really missed the most glaring thing about Denyse's post. She purports to have quantified evolutionists' hatred of Ken Miller at 1/5 that of Michael Behe. My calculations yield a result of 21.7%, not 1/5. In Denyse's defense, perhaps she was rounding. Comment by BarryA — September 10, 2006 @ 1:48 pm Barry, my research shows that Michael Behe is of Irish extraction, and as everyone knows, whenever you find four Irishman you also find a fifth.russ
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From Denyse: Yes, I was rounding. My original figure was 5 zillion.0000005 plus one half (and a half penny, and, oh yes, a disused, ugly lampshade) units of hatred. That may have been an underestimate, actually. So I divided by five to get the correct number. Why five? For every four professional Darwinists who want Michael Behe to fall off the face of the earth, one makes his living in whole or in part from flogging up the ID scare. I am not much good at math. But, listening to all the abuse, I am sure that the general idea is right.O'Leary
September 10, 2006
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Everyone has really missed the most glaring thing about Denyse's post. She purports to have quantified evolutionists' hatred of Ken Miller at 1/5 that of Michael Behe. My calculations yield a result of 21.7%, not 1/5. In Denyse's defense, perhaps she was rounding.BarryA
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The controversy began when the possibility of the existence of the supernatural was required to be denied. But science does not deny the supernatural. It just can't detect it. And the it should be noted that technically, ID does not require the supernatural. I would be grateful if you could explain further.Alan Fox
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Alan -- As the scientific method is blind to the supernatural, the controversy begins when it is suggested that supernatural effects can be observed. The controversy began when the possibility of the existence of the supernatural was required to be denied. And the it should be noted that technically, ID does not require the supernatural.tribune7
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Mats said:
First, science can make experiments on the supernatural. Many people have claimed to have seen supernatural events. Since they can happen, then they can be verified, tested, falsified (directly or indirectly). Secondly, intelligence is part of nature, is it not? Therefore science cannot be “blind” concerning the enterprise which detects signs of intelligence on the physical realm. Thirdly, science is not blind to the supernatural. Naturalism is blind to the supernatural.
As so often happens, we to appear to be defeated by the semantics. In my view, science is a method for studying what is detectable, observable or measurable. Anything capable of being scrutinised by the scientific method is not supernatural, by definition. So science cannot experiment with the supernatural. Any effects that are observable are part of the natural world. If and when the supernatural impinges on the natural world then, at the interface, so to speak, science should be able to detect those effects. I suggest such an approach could bear fruit for ID research.Alan Fox
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Avocationist said:
The comments of Alan and Karl are so shocking, so embarrassing to them, that there is little point in discussion.
I don't feel embarrassed, avocationist, so could you explain why you think I should be?Alan Fox
September 10, 2006
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The comments of Alan and Karl are so shocking, so embarrassing to them, that there is little point in discussion.avocationist
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Alan Fox,
As the scientific method is blind to the supernatural, the controversy begins when it is suggested that supernatural effects can be observed.
First, science can make experiments on the supernatural. Many people have claimed to have seen supernatural events. Since they can happen, then they can be verified, tested, falsified (directly or indirectly). Secondly, intelligence is part of nature, is it not? Therefore science cannot be "blind" concerning the enterprise which detects signs of intelligence on the physical realm. Thirdly, science is not blind to the supernatural. Naturalism is blind to the supernatural.Mats
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It was inevitable, really. Testifying in Dover, Barbara Forrest shook the loop out so that it was big enough to declare Michael Behe a creationist, and, of course, every utterance of the prosecution in that case was entered into law by Judge Jones. It was only a matter of time before Miller would outlive his usefulness and would become ensnared himself.Charlie
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If the Designer could be anything rather than Supernatural, ID wouldn't be controversial. As the scientific method is blind to the supernatural, the controversy begins when it is suggested that supernatural effects can be observed.Alan Fox
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Methodological naturalism forbids not the idea of a designer, but rather the idea of a supernatural one. Johnson's statement reveals his precommitment to the idea that the designer must be God. No, that's philosophical naturalism.DaveScot
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Karl Pfluger, If the Designer could be anything rather than Supernatural, ID wouldn't be controversial. Darwinists are fully aware that, if there is a Designer of biological life forms, He can only be Supernatural (non-evolved Intelligence).Mats
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Karl Pfluger, You have just said that science is tantamount to atheism. If there is a God, what is role in our world. If there is no role, then He has essentially done nothing and whether He exists or not is irrelevant.jerry
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"Methodological naturalism forbids not the idea of a designer, but rather the idea of a supernatural one. Johnson's statement reveals his precommitment to the idea that the designer must be God." Yet Methological naturalism seems to support Super-MAN (Mutations And Natural selection). Also in human eyes a designer/ creator of life would be nothing less than a god/God. Thus methological naturalism rejects any idea of a designer in biology.Smidlee
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Phillip Johnson: "It is emphatically not acceptable to say, “As a scientist, I see evidence that organisms were designed by a preexisting intelligence, and therefore other objective observers should also infer the existence of a designer"... [This] statement brings the designer into the territory of objective reality, and that is what methodological naturalism forbids." Methodological naturalism forbids not the idea of a designer, but rather the idea of a supernatural one. Johnson's statement reveals his precommitment to the idea that the designer must be God.Karl Pfluger
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