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Lately the materialists have been whining more than usual about UD’s moderation policy.  They are saying that anyone who disagrees with the UD position gets banned.  Fortunately for us, that accusation is demonstrably untrue.  No one gets banned from UD unless they repeatedly violate the moderation policy.  Civil disagreement is not only allowed; it is encouraged.

Anyone who wants to disagree with us can do so as long as they like, and so long as they avoid trollish behavior, they will never be banned.

Mark Frank is a good example.  Mark is one of our most vociferous critics.  He posted his first comment nearly nine years ago on February 21, 2006, and he has been politely hammering away at us ever since.  No one gets banned from this site merely for disagreeing with us.  As Mark has demonstrated, you can pound away at us for nearly a decade and remain in good standing so long as you pound politely.

To our materialist opponents I would say, emulate Mark’s example of good manners, and you never have to worry about being banned from UD.

It is true that a few commenters have been barred from posting.  In the nearly 10 years since Bill Dembski started the site, a total of 47,034 persons have posted comments.  Of that total, 187 have been banned for trollish behavior.  An average of 18.7 bannings per year does not seem especially heavy handed to me.

Finally, it is also true that most of those banned have been of the atheist/materialists type.  We admit there is a correlation between disagreeing with the UD position and an increased likelihood of being banned.  There is also a correlation between being an atheist/materialist and an increased proclivity towards trollish behavior.  Anyone who doubts that can verify it with a quick visit to Panda’s Thumb.  If you can control your gag reflex long enough to review the comments even for a short while, you will agree that observation is undoubtedly true.

I will leave it up to the readers to judge for themselves which of the correlated variables is also causative vis-à-vis being banned from this site.

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#21 william spearshake
Querius, I will make you a deal. Simply answer the question that I have been repeatedly asking you, and I will answer yours. I think that I am being more than fair. I have asked several of your questions honestly. I am only asking you to answer one honestly. How com I get the feeling that I will never have to answer yours?
I have asked several of your questions honestly? asked? answered?Dionisio
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phoodoo @29, there has always been a war between the religions. The materialist religionists have managed to conquer the scientific world and pass themselves as non-religious, objective thinkers and thus get free money from the government. Yet the dirt worshippers are the most superstitious voodooists of them all. Their time in the limelight will soon come to an end, IMO. And then they will be forgotten.Mapou
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What is the war Mapou?phoodoo
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phoodoo, What behavior? My posts are available . . . go for it. -QQuerius
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phoodoo @25, To each his own, phoodoo. There is a war going on, IMO. I am not one of those Christians who believe in turning the other cheek. bogart is getting the same treatment that the enemy uses against their opponents. He has it coming.Mapou
September 22, 2014
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william spearshake, Along with most others here, I'm under no obligation to reveal who I am and have no intention of doing so. But I'd like to see whether you're willing to engage in adult conversation---whether you would be willing to go into any detail regarding your interests and research in marine biology. I'd be happy to reciprocate at that level. -QQuerius
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I for one am opposed to the comments made here by Mapou towards Bogart (Spearshake). People should absolutely expect fair treatment on a site like this. I think Mapou's and Querius' statements promoting that kind of behavior is appalling.phoodoo
September 22, 2014
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Graham2:
Banned for not agreeing.
I would ban you too, and as unceremoniously as possible. LOL. I would go into a joyful frenzy, banning the enemy wherever they may be. :-DMapou
September 22, 2014
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Graham2, The only people that I've seen get banned are those who (a) persistently and viciously attack someone or some idea with a modicum of supporting evidence or logic. (b) exhibit deliberately deceptive or false claims. (c ) refuse to acknowledge a simple statement of logic, so as to demonstrate an unwillingness to reason in good faith. I have not seen any evidence to the contrary, so I'd like to challenge you to back up your accusation with a couple of examples taken from past postings. I assume that they're still there and you have some specifics in mind, right? -QQuerius
September 22, 2014
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Barry. many people were banned from this site for the sin of not agreeing with some philosophical law or other (excluded middle ? something like that). Banned for not agreeing. This says all we need to know about the ethical standards of UD. Banned for not agreeing.Graham2
September 22, 2014
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Querius, I will make you a deal. Simply answer the question that I have been repeatedly asking you, and I will answer yours. I think that I am being more than fair. I have asked several of your questions honestly. I am only asking you to answer one honestly. How com I get the feeling that I will never have to answer yours?william spearshake
September 22, 2014
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william spearshake wrote,
Their ecology, their biology and their reproductive behaviour. What’s your point?
My point? How about adult conversation? So what is intriguing about tintinnid ecology? Was that the focus of your research? -QQuerius
September 22, 2014
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Mapou, I do apologize about demanding your name. My beef with respect to that is Querius, not you. You have never repeatedly questioned my stated background as the person who refuses to state his has. But, equating UD (or ID) to Newton is as stupid as me trying to equate myself to Newton. The fact that he was religious has nothing to do with the validity (or not) of ID. I am not the one who is saying that UD is not a religious site. Barry and Dembski are. I am claiming that it is. Which is fine. But it can't be both.william spearshake
September 22, 2014
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bogart:
Again, thank you for confirming that UD is fundamentally a religious site and not one in support of ID science. BTW, I am still waiting for you to provide your real name, not that I think that you have the guts. Any more facts about UD that you would like to inform Barry about?
bogart, everybody knows who I am. I'm a crackpot and a kook and I like it that way. Just click on 'Mapou' above. And so what if UD is a religious site? Is that against the law? Newton, too, was a religious man and his small left toe had more brains than you do. Unlike dirt worshippers like you, they have the guts to admit that they are religious. But I'll tell you what. If I had to choose between a religion of dirt worshippers (life arose from dirt all by its little old self and organized itself to become complex elephants and crocodiles, LOL) and a religion that preaches the existence of super advanced intelligent designers, guess where my allegiance would be.Mapou
September 22, 2014
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Their ecology, their biology and their reproductive behaviour. What's your point?william spearshake
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What did you find so intriguing about the tintinnids that caused you to change your emphasis? What did you research about them? -QQuerius
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Querius: "To make a fresh start, why don’t you recount how you first became interested in tintinnids and why?" Not that I think it will make any difference to you, my undergrad was in marine biology. My masters was in marine plankton, which included tintinnids. Even though it wasn't initially the emphasis of my research, I found them so intriguing that my research changed to an emphasis on these little loricate eukaryotes. Anything else you would like to hear about my personal life? My favourite drink? my favourite sexual position? Meanwhile, you have not answered a single question about yourself.william spearshake
September 22, 2014
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Of course, Barry is being creative, or perhaps "precise" in his language here. Very few have been 'banned' from UD. Permanent and unrelenting moderation--what are the numbers for that?REC
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Querius, I have provided my real name and credentials, all of which are verifiable. I have requested your education/background/experience. And what do I get? Chirp, chirp, chirp. I have never asked for your real name, but now is as good a time as any. Chirp, chirp, chirp. So, Barry, please tell me again why I am a troll and Querius isn't? He has called me a liar (repeatedly), yet he has never been banned. If you can find a single comment where I have called someone a liar, a moron, an idiot, a baby, an ass (that was yours), then I will apologize and back away. But if you can't, you can always simply block my comments, calling me a troll, and continue to allow comments from people who are abusive of anyone with a dissenting view.william spearshake
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william spearshake, To make a fresh start, why don't you recount how you first became interested in tintinnids and why? -QQuerius
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Mapou, Wow, well said! Acartia_bogart claimed to have "creditials" in biology and statistics in one post, later denying it in another. After posting disparaging comments about Michael Behe as employing "voodoo" math, a_b failed a simple probability question in another, claiming a "typo" in defense. Then in another post a_b admitted having only "smattering" of statistics. All this is verifiable. Draw your own conclusions as I have mine. If "william spearshake" turns over a new leaf, then that's perfectly fine with me. The crying and moaning is not a great start, though. lol -QQuerius
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Mapou: "You want to desecrate their holy places. It’s who you are. I understand." Again, thank you for confirming that UD is fundamentally a religious site and not one in support of ID science. BTW, I am still waiting for you to provide your real name, not that I think that you have the guts. Any more facts about UD that you would like to inform Barry about? Barry, the problems with the commenters at UD are not those that oppose ID. Most of them are, generally, polite. It is a very small number of pro IDists that drag the conversation into the gutter (eg, Mung, Mapou and Quest). Most (eg, BA77, Heks, etc.), Even though we disagree, always treat others with respect. If you don't believe me, I welcome you to review past comment streams. Please pay special attention to derogatory statements, and who uses them. The math is quite simple.william spearshake
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bogart, stop whining, man. You people are getting a taste of your own medicine. You deserve every drop. You're lucky Barry has been tolerant of your nonsense. I would have kicked you out ages ago. Along with a few others.Mapou
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I was strolling through the Sandwalk at Larry's place the other day and a small crowd was bragging about being banned. The motive is quite transparent, if you get kicked out of the game you can't make the losing play.beau
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Barry, I am not trying to be intentionally confrontational. I have been to some web sites that clearly state that the comments section is not intended for debate or discussion, only to provide information in support of the web Site's views. I never try to offer any contradictory comments on these sites because they own the site and they are being honest about what you can comment about. But You repeatedly claim that you encourage dissenting views, but then remove and block those who dissent. Nobody is arguing that you shouldn't remove and block comments (commenters) who are abussive and/or repeatedly rude. But when the deleted and blocked are almost always from one side (Robert Beyer excepted), even though the abuse comes predominantly from the other side, your moderating criteria become a farce.william spearshake
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bogart, you will always be bogart to me. I have offended you, I see. But your real problem is very personal. You're on a religious crusade. You want to hurt someone. You want to desecrate their holy places. It's who you are. I understand.Mapou
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"Besides, who are you anyway? Too coward to tell?"</I My full name is Kevin Middlebrook. Is Mapou your first name? Last name? The sound you make when you pass gas? But I commend you for being honest in that UD has no intention of providing fair treatment. I guess that you should inform Barry of this decision.william spearshake
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LOL. bogart, nobody should expect fair treatment in enemy territory. Nobody owes you anything, man. This is not a government supported website. Besides, who are you anyway? Too coward to tell?Mapou
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"bogart, you crybaby." Argument for the defence rests.william spearshake
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bogart, you crybaby.Mapou
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