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Huge discordance between gene trees in a new phylogenetic study

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Angiosperms represent one of the most spectacular terrestrial radiations on the planet1, but their early diversification and phylogenetic relationships remain uncertain2,3,4,5. A key reason for this impasse is the paucity of complete genomes representing early-diverging angiosperms. Here, we present high-quality, chromosomal-level genome assemblies of two aquatic species—prickly waterlily (Euryale ferox; Nymphaeales) and the rigid hornwort (Ceratophyllum demersum; Ceratophyllales)—and expand the genomic representation for key sectors of the angiosperm tree of life. We identify multiple independent polyploidization events in each of the five major clades (that is, Nymphaeales, magnoliids, monocots, Ceratophyllales and eudicots). Furthermore, our phylogenomic analyses, which spanned multiple datasets and diverse methods, confirm that Amborella and Nymphaeales are successively sister to all other angiosperms. Furthermore, these genomes help to elucidate relationships among the major subclades within Mesangiospermae, which contain about 350,000 species. In particular, the species-poor lineage Ceratophyllales is supported as sister to eudicots, and monocots and magnoliids are placed as successively sister to Ceratophyllales and eudicots. Finally, our analyses indicate that incomplete lineage sorting may account for the incongruent phylogenetic placement of magnoliids between nuclear and plastid genomes.

Yang, Y., Sun, P., Lv, L. et al. Prickly waterlily and rigid hornwort genomes shed light on early angiosperm evolution. Nat. Plants (2020). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41477-020-0594-6

The paper is open access.

From the paper: “Thus, what might account for this deep phylogenetic incongruence between nuclear and plastid genomes? As multiple independent polyploidization events were identified in magnoliids, monocots, Ceratophyllales and eudicots (Fig. 1), allopolyploidization or hybridization is one probable source of genomic discordance.”

“Deep phylogenetic incongruence” sounds like journalspeak for “our current phylogenetic tree is a hot mess.”

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Just a reminder that pavelU is a sock puppet account run by the person who posts as jawa (and olv and a bunch more). I guess this is his idea of a credulous evolution supporter...Mimus
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PavelU @2: Did you watch that video? Did you understand their discussion? Apparently you didn’t.jawa
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Mung:
It’s encouraging to see that we are finally accepting the evidence for common descent.
That all depends on what you mean by "common descent".ET
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@PavelU please, the person who explained (according to your wild imagination) in 2015 the OOL, surely has a name. (People usually have names in the real world). Which one is that? No one in the scientific community knows him! Let me kindly remind you that science fiction and science are not the same. Harry Potter is not part of the methodological sciences . :)Truthfreedom
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It's encouraging to see that we are finally accepting the evidence for common descent.Mung
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Attention ID proponents: Here's Dr Lee Cronin's OOL explanation that could win the Evo2.0 $10M prize soon  PavelU
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"Deep phylogenetic incongruence” sounds like journalspeak for “our current phylogenetic tree is a hot mess.” You may want it to sound like that, but it's not the case. "Deep" means close to the root of a tree, but huge or profound. If you read the paper, this of about one node in the tree, and they show that discordance between gene trees should occur if the species tree they estimate is correct.Mimus
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