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Let’s read the Nature abstract:


Nature (2019) Article | Published: 15 May 2019

Total synthesis of Escherichia coli with a recoded genome
Julius Fredens, Kaihang Wang, Daniel de la Torre, Louise F. H. Funke, Wesley E. Robertson, Yonka Christova, Tiongsun Chia, Wolfgang H. Schmied, Daniel L. Dunkelmann, Václav Beránek, Chayasith Uttamapinant, Andres Gonzalez Llamazares, Thomas S. Elliott & Jason W. Chin
Abstract
Nature uses 64 codons to encode the synthesis of proteins from the genome, and chooses 1 sense codon—out of up to 6 synonyms—to encode each amino acid. Synonymous codon choice has diverse and important roles, and many synonymous substitutions are detrimental. Here we demonstrate that the number of codons used to encode the canonical amino acids can be reduced, through the genome-wide substitution of target codons by defined synonyms. We create a variant of Escherichia coli with a four-megabase synthetic genome through a high-fidelity convergent total synthesis. Our synthetic genome implements a defined recoding and refactoring scheme—with simple corrections at just seven positions—to replace every known occurrence of two sense codons and a stop codon in the genome. Thus, we recode 18,214 codons to create an organism with a 61-codon genome; this organism uses 59 codons to encode the 20 amino acids, and enables the deletion of a previously essential transfer RNA. [Cited, per fair use doctrine for academic, non commercial purposes.]

Let us refresh memory on the genetic code:

The Genetic code uses three-letter codons to specify the sequence of AA’s in proteins and specifying start/stop, and using six bits per AA

And on the DNA:

The DNA Helix with GCAT (HT: Research Gate, fair use)

Then also, protein synthesis:

Protein Synthesis (HT: Wiki Media)

Phys dot org gives some context:

A team of researchers at Cambridge University has replaced the genes of E. coli bacteria with genomes they synthesized in the lab. In their paper published in the journal Nature, the group describes replacing the genome and removing redundant genetic codes [–> three letter 4-state elements have 64 possibilities but only 20 are needed for typical protein AA’s, AUG codes for an AA and serves as START, there are three STOP codons] . . . . In this new effort, the researchers had two goals: The first was to synthesize the genome of an E. coli bacterium in their lab—all four million letters of it. The second was to find out what would happen to such a specimen if some of its DNA redundancies were removed . . . .

The researchers report that it took longer for the special bacterial specimen to grow, but other than that, it behaved just like unedited specimens. They suggest that in future efforts, it might be possible to replace the redundancies they removed with other sequences to create bacteria with special abilities, such as making new types of biopolymers not found in nature.

In short, they confirmed that the choice of “synonym” has a regulatory effect.

Where are we today, then?

First, we have definitive demonstration of the intelligent design of a genome. Yes, they obviously have not created a de novo cell body (a much more difficult task), but we see that intelligent design of life here definitively passes the Newton test of observed actual cause. Further, we see that DNA functions as an information system in the cell, supporting the significance of this conceptual representation, based on Yockey’s work:

I add: Let’s zoom in on Yockey’s contribution, on the code-communication system as applied to protein synthesis, which underscores the linguistic nature of what is involved:

Yockey’s analysis of protein synthesis as a code-based communication process

Where, Crick understood this from the beginning in 1953, witness p. 5 of his letter to his son Michael, March 19, 1953:

Crick’s letter

At this stage, we definitively know that using nanotech molecular biology and linked computational techniques it is feasible to construct a genome based on intelligently directed configuration. AKA, design.

Therefore, intelligent design, as of right not sufferance, sits at the table for study on origin of life and of body plans.

Where, we separately know on configuration space search challenge, that it is maximally implausible to construct in excess of 500 – 1,000 bits of functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated information. As a reminder:

We are now in a different ball game completely: Intelligent Design of life is demonstrated to be feasible and actual in the here and now, as of this investigation. Therefore, as of right, it is a serious candidate to explain what we see in the world of life; especially as regards origin of cell based life and origin of main body plans.

Going forward, we are now a full-fledged independent school of thought. END

PS: James Tour on the Mystery of Life’s Origin, challenging the usual OoL claims, focus from c. 8:30 on:

PPS: It seems we need to understand that there are such things as DNA Synthesisers. Here, is a sample, the “Dr Oligo”:

Biocyclopedia lays out the architecture:

Clipping the explanation:

Recently, fully automated commercial instrument called automated polynucleotide synthesizer or gene machine is available in market which synthesizes predetermined polynucleotide sequence. Therefore, the genes can be synthesized rapidly and in high amount. For example, a gene for tRNA can be synthesized within a few days through gene machine. It automatically synthesizes the short segments of single stranded DNA under the control of microprocessor. The working principle of a gene machine includes (i) development of insoluble silica based support in the form of beads which provides support for solid phase synthesis of DNA chain, and (ii) development of stable deoxyribonucleoside phosphoramidites as synthons which are stable to oxidation and hydrolysis, and ideal for DNA synthesis.

The mechanism of a gene machine is shown in Fig. 2.14 [–> above]. Four separate reservoirs containing nucleotides (A,T,C and G) are connected with a tube to a cylinder (synthesizer column) packed with small silica beads. These beads provide support for assembly of DNA molecules. Reservoirs for reagent and solvent are also attached. The whole procedure of adding or removing the chemicals from the reagent reservoir in time is controlled by microcomputer control system i.e. microprocessor . . . .

The desired sequence is entered on a key board and the microprocessor automatically opens the valve of nucleotide reservoir, and chemical and solvent reservoir. In the gene machine the nucleotides are added into a polynucleotide chain at the rate of two nucleotides per hour. By feeding the instructions of human insulin gene in gene machine, human insulin has been synthesized.

As in, molecular nanotech lab in action.

PPPS: As objectors have raised the claimed logical, inductive inference that designing intelligences are embodied (which we can safely hold, implicitly “lives” in the context of the presumed, evolutionary materialistic account of origins — of cosmos, matter, life, body plans, man, brains and minds), I first link a discussion of how this undermines rationality, by Craig:

I also put on the table the Smith, two-tier supervisory controller bio-cybernetic model, as a context to discuss embodiment, intelligence and computational substrates, first in simplified form:

The Derek Smith two-tier controller cybernetic model

Then, in more full detail:

This then leads to the gap between computation on a substrate and rational contemplation. That is, Reppert’s point holds:

. . . let us suppose that brain state A [–> notice, state of a wetware, electrochemically operated computational substrate], which is token identical to the thought that all men are mortal, and brain state B, which is token identical to the thought that Socrates is a man, together cause the belief [–> concious, perceptual state or disposition] that Socrates is mortal. It isn’t enough for rational inference that these events be those beliefs, it is also necessary that the causal transaction be in virtue of the content of those thoughts . . . [But] if naturalism is true, then the propositional content is irrelevant to the causal transaction that produces the conclusion, and [so] we do not have a case of rational inference. In rational inference, as Lewis puts it, one thought causes another thought not by being, but by being seen to be, the ground for it. But causal transactions in the brain occur in virtue of the brain’s being in a particular type of state that is relevant to physical causal transactions.

Comments
H, a strawman is one type of red herring. Above, BB tried to shift focal topic to something which is distractive. The force of the original point stands established, an actual case of genome scale intelligent design, showing possibility by way of actual instance. Duly, published in Nature. KFkairosfocus
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hazel- Why isn't up to the people making the original claim to show how it is accurate?ET
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Hmmm. Question about rhetoric: how does a red herring differ from a strawman? Following up on my post at 62 about strawmen, sometimes people just exclaim "red herring" without explaining why that is accurate, and it's not obvious just what the "red herring" is referring to.hazel
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BB, further red herrings. The matter on the table is proven demonstration of actual genome scale intelligent design. By actual case on the table, such design has a right to be considered as a known adequate cause. In that context, we may look at signs of design and their empirical reliability. To which the answer on FSCO/I is that there are in fact trillions of cases in point [the Internet, every nut and bolt, many other cases] where we know directly that it is a mark of design as key causal factor, and there are exactly zero actually observed cases of blind chance and/or mechanical necessity causing such FSCO/I: functionally specific, config based complex organisation and/or information. The comments and OP for this thread are cases in point, including your own comments. Where, given that the genome contains such coded information, that is already direct relevance, where there is a recoding that is beyond the 500 - 1,000 bit threshold in the case in view. We have here an observed case of FSCO/I in the genome known to be by design, trillions plus one published in Nature. The needle in haystack, island of function search challenge then provides a plausible reason why this is so, a causal want of adequate means vs demonstrated adequate means challenge in effect. So, we have excellent reason to pull back and ponder the original genome for cell based life and for body plans, and to therefore note that we have here a strong sign of design. Where, significantly, this is also about code, thus language and algorithms, which are also signs of intelligent cause by design. KFkairosfocus
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ET, Your interlocutor Brother Brian doesn’t seem to be interested in discussing anything seriously. I understand that he can be used as motivation for writing more, so that the anonymous readers can understand the ID paradigm better. Perhaps that’s what KF does so well. Thus the rest of us benefit from reading his insightful commentaries. Long ago someone suggested the possibility that those folks like Brother Brian are intentionally recruited by this website in order to make the ID objectors look like a bunch of naively oblivious whiners. I don’t take that option seriously, but who knows? :) if that’s really the case, then we should admit that Brother Brian does it very well and could deserve an Oscar for accurate representation of the intended character. :)PeterA
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KF @177-179: Excellent! Thanks.PeterA
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Brother Brian:
It doesn’t appear to be about anything.
To you, a willfully ignorant and scientifically illiterate troll, perhaps. But unlike blind watchmaker evolution, at least ID makes testable claims and as such is scientific.ET
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What KF was referring to is that ID is NOT about the mechanisms.
It doesn’t appear to be about anything.Brother Brian
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Brother Brian:
I guess you didn’t get KF’s memo that ID doesn’t have mechanisms.
Design is a mechanism. Intentional agency volition is mechanism. "Built-in responses to environmental cues" was written about over 20 years ago. What KF was referring to is that ID is NOT about the mechanisms.ET
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LoL! You don’t have a mechanism- other than intelligent design- capable of producing any E coli.
I guess you didn’t get KF’s memo that ID doesn’t have mechanisms. :)Brother Brian
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Brother Brian:
Does this mean that your proven design detection tools can’t distinguish between human designed E. coli and wild E. coli?
LoL! You don't have a mechanism- other than intelligent design- capable of producing any E coli. So any and all design detection techniques would say that the wild strain was intelligently designed.
How did these physical beings come into existence?
Your ignorance of science, while amusing, is still meaningless. One step at a time. We can only study what we have.ET
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BB, red herring. KF
Does this mean that your proven design detection tools can’t distinguish between human designed E. coli and wild E. coli? This either means that your design detection tools (which have never been demonstrated) or your claim that this paper is groundbreaking ID research, is less than advertised.Brother Brian
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KF, Any echoes of your argument elsewhere in the ID-sphere yet? I don't see anything at Evolution News yet.daveS
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BB, red herring. KF PS: OP, again:
Where are we today, then? First, we have definitive demonstration of the intelligent design of a genome. Yes, they obviously have not created a de novo cell body (a much more difficult task), but we see that intelligent design of life here definitively passes the Newton test of observed actual cause. Further, we see that DNA functions as an information system in the cell, supporting the significance of this conceptual representation, based on Yockey’s work [images follow]
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Again, we are at breakthrough.
Really? Let’s test that theory. If this “designed” bug got into the wild and survived, and this paper was never published, how would you use your claimed design detection procedure to conclude that this bug was designed as opposed to a wild strain?Brother Brian
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F/N: It is worth the while to ponder Newton in his general scholium to Principia:
. . . This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being. And if the fixed stars are the centres of other like systems, these, being formed by the like wise counsel, must be all subject to the dominion of One; especially since the light of the fixed stars is of the same nature with the light of the sun, and from every system light passes into all the other systems: and lest the systems of the fixed stars should, by their gravity, fall on each other mutually, he hath placed those systems at immense distances one from another. This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called Lord God pantokrator , or Universal Ruler; for God is a relative word, and has a respect to servants; and Deity is the dominion of God not over his own body, as those imagine who fancy God to be the soul of the world, but over servants. The Supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, absolutely perfect; but a being, however perfect, without dominion, cannot be said to be Lord God; for we say, my God, your God, the God of Israel, the God of Gods, and Lord of Lords; but we do not say, my Eternal, your Eternal, the Eternal of Israel, the Eternal of Gods; we do not say, my Infinite, or my Perfect: these are titles which have no respect to servants. The word God usually signifies Lord; but every lord is not a God. It is the dominion of a spiritual being which constitutes a God: a true, supreme, or imaginary dominion makes a true, supreme, or imaginary God. And from his true dominion it follows that the true God is a living, intelligent, and powerful Being; and, from his other perfections, that he is supreme, or most perfect. He is eternal and infinite, omnipotent and omniscient; that is, his duration reaches from eternity to eternity; his presence from infinity to infinity; he governs all things, and knows all things that are or can be done. He is not eternity or infinity, but eternal and infinite; he is not duration or space, but he endures and is present. He endures for ever, and is every where present; and by existing always and every where, he constitutes duration and space. Since every particle of space is always, and every indivisible moment of duration is every where, certainly the Maker and Lord of all things cannot be never and no where. Every soul that has perception is, though in different times and in different organs of sense and motion, still the same indivisible person. There are given successive parts in duration, co-existent puts in space, but neither the one nor the other in the person of a man, or his thinking principle; and much less can they be found in the thinking substance of God. Every man, so far as he is a thing that has perception, is one and the same man during his whole life, in all and each of his organs of sense. God is the same God, always and every where. He is omnipresent not virtually only, but also substantially; for virtue cannot subsist without substance. In him are all things contained and moved [i.e. cites Ac 17, where Paul evidently cites Cleanthes]; yet neither affects the other: God suffers nothing from the motion of bodies; bodies find no resistance from the omnipresence of God. It is allowed by all that the Supreme God exists necessarily; and by the same necessity he exists always, and every where. [i.e accepts the cosmological argument to God.] Whence also he is all similar, all eye, all ear, all brain, all arm, all power to perceive, to understand, and to act; but in a manner not at all human, in a manner not at all corporeal, in a manner utterly unknown to us. As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner by which the all-wise God perceives and understands all things. He is utterly void of all body and bodily figure, and can therefore neither be seen, nor heard, or touched; nor ought he to be worshipped under the representation of any corporeal thing. [Cites Exod 20.] We have ideas of his attributes, but what the real substance of any thing is we know not. In bodies, we see only their figures and colours, we hear only the sounds, we touch only their outward surfaces, we smell only the smells, and taste the savours; but their inward substances are not to be known either by our senses, or by any reflex act of our minds: much less, then, have we any idea of the substance of God. We know him only by his most wise and excellent contrivances of things, and final cause [i.e from his designs]: we admire him for his perfections; but we reverence and adore him on account of his dominion: for we adore him as his servants; and a god without dominion, providence, and final causes, is nothing else but Fate and Nature. Blind metaphysical necessity, which is certainly the same always and every where, could produce no variety of things. [i.e necessity does not produce contingency] All that diversity of natural things which we find suited to different times and places could arise from nothing but the ideas and will of a Being necessarily existing. [That is, implicitly rejects chance, Plato's third alternative and explicitly infers to the Designer of the Cosmos.] But, by way of allegory, God is said to see, to speak, to laugh, to love, to hate, to desire, to give, to receive, to rejoice, to be angry, to fight, to frame, to work, to build; for all our notions of God are taken from. the ways of mankind by a certain similitude, which, though not perfect, has some likeness, however. And thus much concerning God; to discourse of whom from the appearances of things, does certainly belong to Natural Philosophy.
KFkairosfocus
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BB, The patterns of the broken through line of ideological resistance are predictable and are predictably fallacies of irrelevance. We have in hand a direct demonstration by actual case, that intelligent design using lab methods and techniques can carry out genome scale intelligent design. That needs to be frankly faced and acknowledged. Next, we see effective methods and technologies, which answers to what is the mechanism. Now, we are on to, but who designed the designers and its cousins. Irrelevant. From direct demonstration, we know designers exist, that design is possible, that it cannot then be arbitrarily ideologically ruled out and mischaracterised as religion -- pronounced here as an epithet -- dressed up in a lab coat. (That invites the highly relevant rejoinder that science, to preserve its integrity must turn from being atheism in a lab coat.) The chain of reasoning is, we identify empirically reliable signs of design. Thus, we can detect presence of design as process. As that process is about intelligently directed configuration, its presence warrants inference that relevantly capable designers were active. Just as with an arson or burglary investigation. This is not rocket science . . . a capital case of learning from expensive, successive mistakes. In that context, we have in hand already a milestone. That needs to be acknowledged, this is not rhetorical sink the battleship, any hole will do so pepper away. Once design is credible, candidates to be designers (much as arson suspects) can be considered. As we have shown molecular nanotech labs can do the work with suitable staff, methods, technologies and equipment, such a candidate is on the table. Whether by panspermia and seeding or presence of say an orbital platform. Those are just ideas as to how such could be. Another candidate is at a higher level, it is possible that the physics of our cosmos was, in Hoyle's words, monkeyed with:
>>[Sir Fred Hoyle, In a talk at Caltech c 1981 (nb. this longstanding UD post):] From 1953 onward, Willy Fowler and I have always been intrigued by the remarkable relation of the 7.65 MeV energy level in the nucleus of 12 C to the 7.12 MeV level in 16 O. If you wanted to produce carbon and oxygen in roughly equal quantities by stellar nucleosynthesis, these are the two levels you would have to fix, and your fixing would have to be just where these levels are actually found to be. Another put-up job? . . . I am inclined to think so. A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super intellect has "monkeyed" with the physics as well as the chemistry and biology, and there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. [F. Hoyle, Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics, 20 (1982): 16.]>> . . . also, in the same talk at Caltech: >>The big problem in biology, as I see it, is to understand the origin of the information carried by the explicit structures of biomolecules. The issue isn't so much the rather crude fact that a protein consists of a chain of amino acids linked together in a certain way, but that the explicit ordering of the amino acids endows the chain with remarkable properties, which other orderings wouldn't give. The case of the enzymes is well known . . . If amino acids were linked at random, there would be a vast number of arrange-ments that would be useless in serving the pur-poses of a living cell. When you consider that a typical enzyme has a chain of perhaps 200 links and that there are 20 possibilities for each link,it's easy to see that the number of useless arrangements is enormous, more than the number of atoms in all the galaxies visible in the largest telescopes. [ --> 20^200 = 1.6 * 10^260] This is for one enzyme, and there are upwards of 2000 of them, mainly serving very different purposes. So how did the situation get to where we find it to be? This is, as I see it, the biological problem - the information problem . . . . I was constantly plagued by the thought that the number of ways in which even a single enzyme could be wrongly constructed was greater than the number of all the atoms in the universe. So try as I would, I couldn't convince myself that even the whole universe would be sufficient to find life by random processes - by what are called the blind forces of nature . . . . By far the simplest way to arrive at the correct sequences of amino acids in the enzymes would be by thought, not by random processes . . . . Now imagine yourself as a superintellect working through possibilities in polymer chemistry. Would you not be astonished that polymers based on the carbon atom turned out in your calculations to have the remarkable properties of the enzymes and other biomolecules? Would you not be bowled over in surprise to find that a living cell was a feasible construct? Would you not say to yourself, in whatever language supercalculating intellects use: Some supercalculating intellect must have designed the properties of the carbon atom, otherwise the chance of my finding such an atom through the blind forces of nature would be utterly minuscule. Of course you would, and if you were a sensible superintellect you would conclude that the carbon atom is a fix. >> . . . and again: >> I do not believe that any physicist who examined the evidence could fail to draw the inference that the laws of nuclear physics have been deliberately designed with regard to the [--> nuclear synthesis] consequences they produce within stars. ["The Universe: Past and Present Reflections." Engineering and Science, November, 1981. pp. 8–12]>>
Another approach is perhaps best seen through John Leslie's eyes:
"One striking thing about the fine tuning is that a force strength or a particle mass often appears to require accurate tuning for several reasons at once. Look at electromagnetism. Electromagnetism seems to require tuning for there to be any clear-cut distinction between matter and radiation; for stars to burn neither too fast nor too slowly for life’s requirements; for protons to be stable; for complex chemistry to be possible; for chemical changes not to be extremely sluggish; and for carbon synthesis inside stars (carbon being quite probably crucial to life). Universes all obeying the same fundamental laws could still differ in the strengths of their physical forces, as was explained earlier, and random variations in electromagnetism from universe to universe might then ensure that it took on any particular strength sooner or later. Yet how could they possibly account for the fact that the same one strength satisfied many potentially conflicting requirements, each of them a requirement for impressively accurate tuning?" [Our Place in the Cosmos, The Royal Institute of Philosophy, 1998 (courtesy Wayback Machine) Emphases added.] AND: ". . . the need for such explanations does not depend on any estimate of how many universes would be observer-permitting, out of the entire field of possible universes. Claiming that our universe is ‘fine tuned for observers’, we base our claim on how life’s evolution would apparently have been rendered utterly impossible by comparatively minor alterations in physical force strengths, elementary particle masses and so forth. There is no need for us to ask whether very great alterations in these affairs would have rendered it fully possible once more, let alone whether physical worlds conforming to very different laws could have been observer-permitting without being in any way fine tuned. Here it can be useful to think of a fly on a wall, surrounded by an empty region. A bullet hits the fly Two explanations suggest themselves. Perhaps many bullets are hitting the wall or perhaps a marksman fired the bullet. There is no need to ask whether distant areas of the wall, or other quite different walls, are covered with flies so that more or less any bullet striking there would have hit one. The important point is that the local area contains just the one fly." [Emphasis his.]
Noting also Walker and Davies:
In physics, particularly in statistical mechanics, we base many of our calculations on the assumption of metric transitivity, which asserts that a system’s trajectory will eventually [--> given "enough time and search resources"] explore the entirety of its state space – thus everything that is phys-ically possible will eventually happen. It should then be trivially true that one could choose an arbitrary “final state” (e.g., a living organism) and “explain” it by evolving the system backwards in time choosing an appropriate state at some ’start’ time t_0 (fine-tuning the initial state). In the case of a chaotic system the initial state must be specified to arbitrarily high precision. But this account amounts to no more than saying that the world is as it is because it was as it was, and our current narrative therefore scarcely constitutes an explanation in the true scientific sense. We are left in a bit of a conundrum with respect to the problem of specifying the initial conditions necessary to explain our world. A key point is that if we require specialness in our initial state (such that we observe the current state of the world and not any other state) metric transitivity cannot hold true, as it blurs any dependency on initial conditions – that is, it makes little sense for us to single out any particular state as special by calling it the ’initial’ state. If we instead relax the assumption of metric transitivity (which seems more realistic for many real world physical systems – including life), then our phase space will consist of isolated pocket regions and it is not necessarily possible to get to any other physically possible state (see e.g. Fig. 1 for a cellular automata example).
[--> or, there may not be "enough" time and/or resources for the relevant exploration, i.e. we see the 500 - 1,000 bit complexity threshold at work vs 10^57 - 10^80 atoms with fast rxn rates at about 10^-13 to 10^-15 s leading to inability to explore more than a vanishingly small fraction on the gamut of Sol system or observed cosmos . . . the only actually, credibly observed cosmos]
Thus the initial state must be tuned to be in the region of phase space in which we find ourselves [--> notice, fine tuning], and there are regions of the configuration space our physical universe would be excluded from accessing, even if those states may be equally consistent and permissible under the microscopic laws of physics (starting from a different initial state). Thus according to the standard picture, we require special initial conditions to explain the complexity of the world, but also have a sense that we should not be on a particularly special trajectory to get here (or anywhere else) as it would be a sign of fine–tuning of the initial conditions. [ --> notice, the "loading"] Stated most simply, a potential problem with the way we currently formulate physics is that you can’t necessarily get everywhere from anywhere (see Walker [31] for discussion). ["The “Hard Problem” of Life," June 23, 2016, a discussion by Sara Imari Walker and Paul C.W. Davies at Arxiv.]
Our cosmos is fine tuned in ways that facilitate C-chem, aqueous medium, cell-based, terrestrial planet in galactic habitable zone life. That means that biology and cosmology are inescapably integrated, hence we see exobiology tied to the search for exoplanets. Which last is telling us a lot about just how privileged and unusual our own Sol system is. So, the cosmological inference to design and the biological inference to design constrain our thinking. We have a cosmos in which by fine tuning cell based life is possible, and on our planet actual. We cannot rule such pout across the observed cosmos. So, the nanotech lab is a possibility though we do not presently have more than demonstration of a possibility. Duty to evidence does not rule out on ideological grounds. At the same time, we have reason to believe our cosmos was designed in ways that facilitate such life. This suggests such an intent on the part of a designer capable of building a cosmos. Again, this cannot be ruled out. Where also, there is good reason to reject infinite regress of successive causes. We have good reason to hold to a finitely remote root of reality that is independent of external causes, i.e. is a necessary being. An intelligent, necessary being with capability to be wellspring of the cosmos is a serious candidate root of reality. But that properly belongs over the border in logic of being, ontology. So, it is not that we cannot address or arbitrarily lock out the question, it is just that it belongs to another discipline; one, that you were most dismissive of when it was on the table. But, one that is capable of showing fairly significant results. Especially, when one factors in that we are morally governed creatures, starting with our rationality itself. That puts the IS-OUGHT gap on the table, which, post-Hume, points to the only level where it can be bridged without falling into ungrounded ought. The source of reality must be inherently good, fusing is and ought. A cosmos-designing, enormously powerful, inherently good, rational, intelligent necessary being is clearly on the table as a candidate. So, in the end, but where did any such come from is the tactic of pocketing then dismissing the milestone in hand. We have a pair of birds in the hand, worth a flock in the bush. Let us work with the evidence. KFkairosfocus
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BB, 160:
When Darwin proposed his theory of evolution he didn’t state that the mechanisms of its action was off limits. But when asked what the mechanisms behind ID we are told that we shouldn’t be asking that question.
I again underscore that design is by its nature not a mechanism but an intelligent act, one that directs configuration of parts or components or portions towards a goal. A Michaelangelo carves a flawed marble into a David. A Ford builds a car, An Edison investigates the many possible materials for his light bulb. The researchers above used computer controlled synthesisers, manipulators etc to compose a recoded genome and to insert same into an E coli bacterium, leading to Syn61. Accordingly, we discuss DETECTION of design on empirically observable, reliable signs (what has been a sticking point in the face of ideologically deeply entrenched refusal to consider as a serious possibility). We examine, reverse engineer and study actual or possible methods and methodologies. We study, explore, develop, improve techniques and technologies, including machines, instruments and tools. All of these are well known and none of them are mysteriously, arbitrarily forbidden by ID researchers or thinkers. Indeed, had judge Jones listened to him, he might have learned much from Scott Minnich and from gene knockout experiments on irreducible complexity in bacteria. For that matter gene knockouts are a major technique used to identify the function of genes.Similarly, Behe's investigations on the interactions of malaria and drugs show the power of statistical and epidemiological tools in drawing out patterns and principles through observational studies. And more. Again, the first major line of resistance has been the issue of detecting the empirically credible presence of design, in cases where direct observation is infeasible. A familiar task in many fields, including forensics, archaeology [vs "natural"], medical studies, etc. Part of that has been refusal to entertain the possibility of design in ideologically sensitive contexts, relevant to OoL and origin of body plans. That is now decisively broken through, thanks to an emerging pattern of cases of actual designs such as the OP headlines. Of course, that also immediately shatters the talking point that somehow, mysteriously there is a pretence that one is forbidden to investigate "mechanisms." Mechanisms is not relevant, but methods and technologies certainly are. Lo, behold: it is the demonstration of successful methods and technologies as reported in Nature, that breaks the ideological line of resistance. The breakthrough is real. And once design is at the table, the readily shown challenge of needle in haystack search challenge shows why blind chance and/or mechanical necessity are maximally implausible once the explicit or implied functionally specific, configurational information exceeds 500 - 1,000 bits. Namely atomic level search resources in the Sol system [~ 10^57 atoms] or the -- the only actually -- observed cosmos [~ 10^80 atoms] and timeline ~ 10^17 s since singularity are such that no appreciable fraction of such a config space can be blindly explored. Likelihood of blind search success falls to negligible levels. However, through insight, knowledge, skill and imagination, designers are known to be able to get configurations right or nearly so, then refine through test and development. This drastically cuts down search challenge and then enables incremental improvement. Which last can be by hill-climbing "evolutionary" steps up a slope of function. However, as the OP also illustrates, that then faces the challenge of bridging to other islands of functionality. This pattern being a natural result of the requisites of correct, matched properly arranged and coupled parts. Such as we may readily see from text here vs random gibberish: fhystucfjhp[79556vksaroxdfzested. (Notice, how the above shows that simple cases are reachable by chance, but complex ones are a different matter as the random document experiments show.) Again, we are at breakthrough. KFkairosfocus
May 24, 2019
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Going further, you do not even acknowledge that design does not work by mechanisms but by methodologies and by technologies, where the point of the case in the OP is that here we have a direct example of what can be done.
So, you are proposing that life on earth got started by physical beings, using physical technologies. How did these physical beings come into existence?Brother Brian
May 24, 2019
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Brother Brian @160: “When Darwin proposed his theory of evolution he didn’t state that the mechanisms of its action was off limits. “ He proposed the wrong mechanism that still today doesn’t explain how to get a prokaryote or a eukaryote cell. He misinterpreted his observations, extrapolating them without any empirical evidence. That’s misleading pseudoscience. It took many years for ID-unfriendly scientists to admit that the Darwinian core formulation RV+NS lacked explanatory power in light of the latest discoveries in biology research. Things will continue to get worse for those outdated ideas. New research papers will point to the increasing difficulties encountered by the Darwinian ideas. That’s because the only valid explanation is design by a conscious agent. There’s no other game in town. Wake up and smell the flowers in the garden.PeterA
May 23, 2019
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KF @173: “Those who keep on repeating the falsehood that the design inference is not testable, in the teeth of clear statements on the record for many years, are acting irresponsibly.“ Agree.PeterA
May 23, 2019
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F/N: The main test for ID is not in doubt and has been stated above: show a case where functionally specific complex organisation and/or information in excess of 500 - 1,000 bits has been produced by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity without intelligent direction, and the basis of the design inference would instantly collapse. As a direct case, random document generation exercises have so far maxed out at about 10^100 short in implied configuration space size. And yes, simply soaking up and digitising sky noise and searching for coherent meaningful text strings of relevant length, 72 - 143 ASCII characters or using a zener driven white noise source digitised to give flat random numbers such as is used in modern lotteries, would be a test. Similarly, the equivalent of setting up 500 - 1,000 coins and shaking at random then testing for a similar text string that is coherent and functional. Goal-driven incremental progress such as in the notorious Weasel case, is not a good test, save as a manifestation of an inefficient design driven process. Those who keep on repeating the falsehood that the design inference is not testable, in the teeth of clear statements on the record for many years, are acting irresponsibly. KFkairosfocus
May 23, 2019
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BB, you misrepresent the matter again. there has been every effort, every misrepresentation, even ill-advised court action to lock out consideration that design is a feasible explanation of life and of body plans. Going further, you do not even acknowledge that design does not work by mechanisms but by methodologies and by technologies, where the point of the case in the OP is that here we have a direct example of what can be done. KFkairosfocus
May 23, 2019
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Brother Brian:
But surely a material designer using material tools, because that is all that can be inferred from this research, would leave some evidence behind.
The DESIGN is such evidence.
But if you want anybody to take ID as a serious possibility, somebody is going to have to propose some testable hypotheses with regard to the mechanisms used.
We have. We have said exactly how to test the claim that something was the result of being intelligently designed. On the other hand no one has done so for evolution by means of blind and mindless processes. Probability arguments exist only because no one knows how to test those claims.ET
May 23, 2019
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the case of the world of life, the evidence in hand actually supports that design of life is feasible for a designer within the cosmos.
Nobody is arguing against that. But surely a material designer using material tools, because that is all that can be inferred from this research, would leave some evidence behind. But if you want anybody to take ID as a serious possibility, somebody is going to have to propose some testable hypotheses with regard to the mechanisms used. “Poof” will not b taken seriously.Brother Brian
May 23, 2019
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ET, while BB is likely deliberately provocative, easy on the rhetorical voltage, please. KFkairosfocus
May 23, 2019
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BB, ad hominem abusive and in willful defiance of the facts on the ground since 1984. The fact is, that the design inference is a logical exercise, inference to a causal process on empirically tested, reliable signs. An inference to process, intelligently directed configuration as a material cause, is simply not the same as inference to candidate designers. In the case of the world of life, the evidence in hand actually supports that design of life is feasible for a designer within the cosmos. Notice, I have put on the table that likely in about 100 years, we will have done the deed of creating wholly synthetic cell based life, providing we can persuade budget holders. Of course, if we do not blow up the world in any one of several ways first. KF PS; On design "mechanisms." Design uses methodologies not mechanisms; at first level, I suggest you look up TRIZ -- and yes, that is a journal on a whole philosophy of design. Designers also use technologies, and the OP is in part about just that. Technologies that made feasible whole genome synthesis and successful testing in a new strain of bacterium. You have made an objection in the teeth of an actual live example. That speaks about the kind of objections you are making.kairosfocus
May 23, 2019
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Brother Brian:
But when asked what the mechanisms behind ID we are told that we shouldn’t be asking that question.
What a dolt. You are told that ID is NOT about the mechanisms. That is because we do NOT have to know the exact mechanism used in order to determine design exists. We don't even know how many large artifacts were made- and those are things we should be able to reproduce. However design is a mechanism, by definition. So is "built-in responses to environmental cues". Genetic algorithms use evolution by means of intelligent design to solve the problems they were intelligently designed to solve. That said, your side is all about the mechanism because that is what Darwin posited- mechanisms that could replace the designer requirement.ET
May 23, 2019
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Why the OP is correct: That’s TWO cases of an intelligent agency producing a genome from scratch. And still ZERO for nature doing so.ET
May 23, 2019
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Brother Brian:
How many ID research papers have been rejected for publication in peer reviewed journals?
Totally clueless. It isn't about "ID research". It is about doing SCIENTIFIC research and being allowed to reach a DESIGN inference if the evidence warrants it as it does with the discovery of the genetic code. Also there is still absolutely ZERO blind watchmaker research papers and ZERO scientific research that supports blind watchmaker evolution. And there isn't a scientific theory of evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.ET
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