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Teleology in biology is unavoidable.  Dawkins was surely correct when he wrote that “Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.”  He even characterized that appearance as “overwhelming.”  Of course, Dawkins does not believe living things were designed, and his entire project has been to convince his readers that the overwhelming appearance of design is an illusion.

The problem with the “it is all a grand illusion” position is that as science has progressed – even in the relatively short time since Dawkins wrote those words in 1987 – it has become increasingly more difficult to believe.  Advances in our understanding of genetics have revealed a semiotic code of staggering elegance and complexity, the replication of which is far beyond the ability of our best computer programmers.  The more we know about the cell, the more it becomes apparent that it is a marvel of nano-technology.  Origin of life researchers, when they are honest, admit that even the most simple life is miraculously complex, and the likelihood of living things having arose spontaneously through chance interactions of matter is vanishingly small.  I could go on, but you get the picture.

What is an honest materialist to do?  One approach is to jettison materialism altogether, as famous former arch-atheist Antony Flew did.  Flew insisted that while he did not believe in a personal God, he was nevertheless driven to deism by advances in origins of life science.  He wrote that “[t]he philosophical question that has not been answered in origin-of-life studies is this: How can a universe of mindless matter produce beings with intrinsic ends, self-replication capabilities, and ‘coded chemistry’?”  That question remains unanswered.

Another approach is to retain one’s materialism while positing the existence of yet-undiscovered natural telic laws.  This is the approach Thomas Nagel took in his Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False.  It occurred to me recently that this approach may well be the most likely way for honest, curious and courageous materialists to accept the evidence on its own terms and at the same time find common ground with ID proponents.

RDFish is one of the most voracious proponents of materialism (which he prefers to call monist physicalism) ever to appear in these pages.  In one of his comments he argued that biological ID is committed to dualism.  I responded by arguing that while biological ID is certainly consistent with metaphysical dualism, it is not necessarily tied to it, and it can be accepted even by physicalist monists.  See here.

In the linked post I argued that a physicalist monist can accept a version of ID through the following reasoning:

  1. Design, meaning the capacity to arrange matter for a purpose, exists as a category of causation.
  2. The capacity to arrange matter for a purpose can be reduced to any force that is capable of arranging matter in the present so that it will have an effect in the future.
  3. There are at least two candidates for causal forces that have the capacity to arrange matter for a purpose. (a)  intelligent agents who have an immaterial mental capacity; (b) an impersonal non-conscious yet-to-be-discovered natural telic force.
  4. The monist rejects the existence of intelligent agents with immaterial mental capacities, because the existence of such agents obviously entails dualism.
  5. Instead, the monist can resort to the natural telic force.
  6. If such a natural telic force exists, the existence of design as a category of causation is no obstacle to accepting the truth of monist physicalism.

This get us to:

  1. If monist physicalism is true and a natural telic force exists, it is nevertheless possible objectively to infer design.
  2. Therefore, design may be inferred under monist physicalism using the explanatory filter.
  3. Therefore, ID does not depend on dualist metaphysical assumptions and can be accepted by a monist.

Which brings us back to Nagel.  In his book Nagel argued that Neo-Darwinism has failed to account for the data and is therefore almost certainly false.  But Nagel is an inveterate atheist and he is unwilling to give up on atheistic monism.  For Nagel, rejecting Neo-Darwinism does not entail embracing a dualist conception of ID.  Instead, he has posited what can be called a monist conception of ID by proposing the existence of natural telic laws.

In his book Being as Communion Bill Dembski writes that Nagel’s conception of teleology is completely consistent with ID writ large:

Nagel proposes to understand teleology in terms of natural teleological laws.  These laws would be radically different from the laws of physics and chemistry that currently are paradigmatic of the laws of nature.  And yet, as we shall see, such teleological laws fit quite naturally within an information-theoretic framework . . . his proposal, given in Mind and Cosmos . . . connects point for point with the account of information given in this book.  Indeed, Nagel’s teleological laws are none other than the directed searches (or alternative searches) that are the basis of Conservation of Information . . . of this book.

When orthodox Christian theist Bill Dembski says that he and vigorously atheistic materialist Thomas Nagel hold views that can – at a fundamental level – be reconciled, the rest of us should sit up and take notice.  And Dembski is not alone among theists in noting how Nagel’s views are compatible with their tradition broadly construed.  Christian philosopher Edward Feser writes:

[Nagel] rightly suggests that theists ought to be open to the idea of immanent teleology of the Aristotelian sort.  He may not be aware that medieval theologians like Aquinas were committed to precisely that.

Of course, Aquinas believed in the immanent teleology inherent in all things.  The only difference between Aquinas and Nagel is that Aquinas believed that God infused those things with immanent teleology; whereas Nagel believes the teleology results from a natural telic law.  But for our purposes isn’t the obvious teleology – that even Dawkins recognizes while denying – the important thing, at least as an initial question about the objective nature of things?

If theists and materialists can agree about the objective existence of teleology in nature, can we not also agree that – at least while we are doing science – questions about the ultimate provenance of that teleology can be held in abeyance?

I see a number of advantages of this approach for both sides.  For the materialists, the advantages are obvious.  They will be able to accept on face value the common sense conclusion their materialism has until now forced them to deny.  Teleology exists.  And at the same time they will not be forced to allow Lewontin’s dreaded “divine foot” in the door, because a “natural telic law” is not even an agent, far less a divine (or even conscious) agent.  For theists, as I have argued all along, ID can be adopted to both a monist and a dualist metaphysics.  And I, when I am not doing science, will continue to argue that God is the best candidate for the provenance of the teleology.  At the same time, by allowing for the possibility of a natural telic law, we ID proponents will not have the doors of science slammed in our face on account of the “creationism in a cheap tuxedo” argument.

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Totally OT, but my mental arithmetic is really going to decline now the Captcha has been removed.Bob O'H
January 26, 2016
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Virgil - well, it'll make it more difficult to study, but it may still have left traces. But we won't know unless we look.Bob O'H
January 26, 2016
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Bob O'H:
If there is a material teleology then its nature can be probed with scientific methods, so I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t.
And if that material teleology is no longer around, what then?Virgil Cain
January 26, 2016
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If theists and materialists can agree about the objective existence of teleology in nature, can we not also agree that – at least while we are doing science – questions about the ultimate provenance of that teleology can be held in abeyance?
As a scientist, I would say "no". If there is a material teleology then its nature can be probed with scientific methods, so I don't see any reason why we shouldn't. If this telic force isn't material, then the same methods will (at some point) fail. But that point of failure will be instructive for all: it will show us where the non-material forces end and material nature takes over. Why should we not, at the very least, try to explore material nature?Bob O'H
January 26, 2016
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Barry @6: Thanks. Good follow up. As to this:
That is why Nagel and Dembski posit a potential revolution in our understanding of law like forces.
Well, to get to where they seem to want to go, they will indeed need to redefine the "laws" to a point where they don't act like laws anymore. Meaning, of course, that they aren't really laws. :) Rather, the "laws" would be some kind of force or power that possesses the capabilities needed to design: choice, purposefulness, perhaps consciousness, etc. Not quite there, but getting suspiciously close to some kind of pantheistic idea for the creator. Alternatively, one could of course posit that there is actually a designer. :) That could be a bit uncomfortable for Nagel, though, I realize. At the end of the day, Bill is doing the right thing to pursue this idea, to at least see where it leads and whether it can be an avenue for further fruitful discussion. As such, it seems much more beneficial as a tactical and diplomatic matter, than as a substantive one. ----- It is also a good point for us to keep in mind when debating materialists. If they are open to the idea of a real teleology, then we can at least have a rational discussion regarding the possibility of design in life. So your broader point in the OP is well taken.Eric Anderson
January 25, 2016
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The strength of creationism is dualism, because with dualism one can distinguish fact from opinion, put them in 2 fundamentally different categories. So with creationism one can describe how the earth was created, by describing the decisions by which the earth came to be, and then talk about the earth being beautiful in regards to the agency of those decisions. That the earth is beautiful is an opinion, and creationism provides for opinion. Monism, materialism etc. provides no room for opinion at all.mohammadnursyamsu
January 25, 2016
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Good points, Eric. It may very well be that no one is interesting in taking my thoughts on Taoism seriously, but I'll say again that it may be a false dichotomy to see the issue as either pure materialism or willful design with a purpose. Part of the problem I have here is conveying a vision of how the Tao could be the stimulus to creative change in the world without have a purpose or design, or of making conscious choices. On the other hand, one of the tenets of Taoism is that in fact this knowledge is unknowable, and that trying to grasp the Tao is not only futile but also detrimental to the goal of living a life informed by wisdom. The Western world is imbued with the model of theism, which is based on, in my opinion, a model of understanding about how human beings function: making choices, having purposes, being aware of their actions in the world. The Eastern world (and these are, I know gross simplifications) has a different worldview about the nature of the world and of human beings. Thus, to the Westerner, the idea of something being made without there being a maker, a law without a lawgiver, is impossible to conceive. However, if one has a different view, the belief that a design must have a designer is false. Both a belief in God and a belief in a Taoist perspective ask for an ineffable acceptance that somehow, in a way that passes our understanding, the world is shaped by something larger that the local events - the local strings of causality, which we can experience. But seeing the results as a product of choice and purposeful design is a cultural perspective which is not necessarily true.Aleta
January 25, 2016
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EA:
– The idea of teleology generally existing in nature is interesting, but, significantly, remains essentially ill-defined as a principle and even more poorly defined in terms of what what “natural teleological laws” we could possibly have in mind. As Jim Smith notes @2, one might be forgiven for thinking that the whole concept is an attempt to accept the obviousness of design while still remaining politically palatable.
Yes, Nagel (and Dembski) admit their ideas are speculative. For Nagel at this point the idea of “telic force” seems to mean little more than “that force which accounts for teleology in a way that I am all but certain mechanistic Neo-Darwinism cannot.” But admitting that Neo-Darwinism is not up to the task allotted to it and that teleology is real and not merely perceived is tremendous progress and we should encourage it.
– Even if there are some teleological laws operating generally in nature, what explains the quite specific designed phenomena we see around us?
The telic laws. As Nagel admits, the details need to be filled in.
This is similar to the distinction that has to be drawn between the evidence for design in the cosmos and design in life. The former does not explain the latter.
Agreed. We are talking about biology which I hope I made clear in the OP.
– On a very related note, the very concept of design seems hard to mesh with any discussion of law-like processes,
That is correct if we conceive of law-like processes in the traditional way. Nagel and Dembski are arguing for a revamping of the traditional way of thinking. As quoted in the OP: “These laws would be radically different from the laws of physics and chemistry that currently are paradigmatic of the laws of nature.”
Not only would these “teleological laws” have to exist, but they would have to possess characteristics that make them essentially non-law-like, a paradoxical situation at best.
The paradox would evaporate if the concept of “law like” were radically reconceived.
(b) An inherent aspect of the design process is the ability to “choose between” contingent possibilities. Indeed, the very etymology of the word underscores this ability to choose between possibilities. Again, how that could possibly be implemented through any kind of teleological law is highly unclear.
Again, the argument is based on radically reconceiving “law like.”
There must be some kind of power, agency, intelligence — whatever we want to call it — that can choose between contingent possibilities and instantiate them in matter. Otherwise, there is no design.
Correct. And as we currently understand causal forces law like forces are not up to the task. (Elizabeth Liddle argues for this until she is blue in the face and comes off just looking silly) That is why Nagel and Dembski posit a potential revolution in our understanding of law like forces.Barry Arrington
January 25, 2016
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Aleta @ 3: What you describe is more Aristotelian that you seem to realize.Barry Arrington
January 25, 2016
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Barry, I should add that I realize you were largely driving at the logical/rhetorical issue of whether it is possible to be a materialist and still consider design in nature, rather than whether Nagel's teleological laws make sense in their own right. I was speaking largely to the latter point in my prior comment. On the former point, I agree there might be some room for common ground there. The common ground would suffer from being based on some rather loose definitions and substantive weaknesses (going back to my earlier comment), but it could at least permit some discussion, generate some dialogue, and perhaps point a path forward in talking about real design in nature, while avoiding some of the more typical battles that tend to plague discussions. My sense is that this is more important for the materialist -- to make them intellectually comfortable even considering design in the first place. But that is fine. Meet people where they are and see if a productive conversation can be had on that, perhaps tenuous, but very important, common ground. I'm guessing this is a big part of the thrust of where Bill is heading with this.Eric Anderson
January 25, 2016
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Barry, interesting and important topic.
When orthodox Christian theist Bill Dembski says that he and vigorously atheistic materialist Thomas Nagel hold views that can – at a fundamental level – be reconciled, the rest of us should sit up and take notice.
I agree with this observation and that we should think seriously about this topic. I was an early purchaser of Being as Communion, but unfortunately have not yet had a chance to read my copy of Bill's book. As a result, I will withhold judgment until I give him a chance to make his case to me (when I read it). That said, let me share an initial sense of uneasy discomfort, for the following reasons: - The idea of teleology generally existing in nature is interesting, but, significantly, remains essentially ill-defined as a principle and even more poorly defined in terms of what what "natural teleological laws" we could possibly have in mind. As Jim Smith notes @2, one might be forgiven for thinking that the whole concept is an attempt to accept the obviousness of design while still remaining politically palatable. - Even if there are some teleological laws operating generally in nature, what explains the quite specific designed phenomena we see around us? This is similar to the distinction that has to be drawn between the evidence for design in the cosmos and design in life. The former does not explain the latter. - On a very related note, the very concept of design seems hard to mesh with any discussion of law-like processes, whether loosely defined as "teleological" or otherwise. Specifically: (a) Law-like processes are anathema to the production of information-rich systems, as well as irreducibly-complex, functional systems. Not only would these "teleological laws" have to exist, but they would have to possess characteristics that make them essentially non-law-like, a paradoxical situation at best. and (b) An inherent aspect of the design process is the ability to "choose between" contingent possibilities. Indeed, the very etymology of the word underscores this ability to choose between possibilities. Again, how that could possibly be implemented through any kind of teleological law is highly unclear. There must be some kind of power, agency, intelligence -- whatever we want to call it -- that can choose between contingent possibilities and instantiate them in matter. Otherwise, there is no design. ----- So I am interested and willing to learn more about this topic, and will bump Bill's book back up a few notches on my "to-read" list. I also remain cautiously skeptical at this stage.Eric Anderson
January 25, 2016
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Several times I have posted here some of my ideas about a Taoist perspective on the metaphysical foundation of the world: one in which an unknowable oneness, the Tao, manifests itself in complementary dualities, the most primary one being that of creativity and nurturance. The interplay between these two underlies, in a synchronistic, non-locally causal way, the interactions of matter and energy as the universe goes about its business of being a universe. The Tao is not a divine entity: it is not personal, willful, purposeful, or conscious. Furthermore, the Tao manifests itself entirely through natural forces: it arises from underneath the natural world, so to speak, rather than overlaying on top of it, so that everything we can ever know is expressed as natural events. One might consider this perspective as one that a "physicalist monist" (PM) might take, I suppose, although that is an unwieldy phrase. I mention all this because I want to comment on one line from Barry's post. He writes,
In the linked post I argued that a physicalist monist can accept a version of ID through the following reasoning: 1. Design, meaning the capacity to arrange matter for a purpose, exists as a category of causation.
And later, Barry refers to a "telic force' that such a PM might accept as a source of design in the world. From a Taoist perspective, Barry's definition of design adds the superfluous and unwarranted characteristic of "being for a purpose." Our universe is such that its components can combine to make interesting things: solar systems, life, etc. And it may said that the Tao is the source of the underlying properties of those elements (the fine-tuning and mathematical structure of the world), as well as the impetus to combine into new combinations to add to the complexity of the world. That doesn't mean that the Tao does any of this "for a purpose." The Tao may be a metaphysical "force", but it is not a telic force. The Tao creates a "restless multiplicity": a world in which the creative and the nurturing forces create and sustain novelty, but the end result of that novelty is not guided nor the result of forethought. It doesn't aim at the future. Saying that design is "for a purpose" contains within it the assumption that something/someone has a purpose in mind, and wants to see that purpose realized. Obviously theistic beliefs accept this assumption. However, one can have metaphysical beliefs about the nature of the physical world that account for the existence of a world in which life arises, to be specific, without believing that life has arisen "for a purpose" or has been the product of "design" as Barry defined it. There is a middle ground between pure materialism and theism that doesn't ascribe purpose to either the universe itself or to any of the entities which arise with it.Aleta
January 25, 2016
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Intelligence is a better explanation for apparent design in nature that can't be explained by chance and or necessity because we know as a fact, from observing human intelligence, that intelligence is capable of design. Natural teleology is a conjecture posited to preserve a philosophical attachment to materialism in the face of conflicting facts. Also, ID does not imply dualism, idealism can approximate dualism.Jim Smith
January 25, 2016
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William Paley in Natural Theology: The force however of the reasoning is sometimes sunk by our taking up with mere names. We have already noticed(Note: Ch. J. sect. vii.), and we must here notice again, the misapplication of the term "law," and the mistake concerning the idea which that term expresses in physics, whenever such idea is made to take the place of power, and still more of an intelligent power, and, as such, to be assigned for the cause of any thing, or of any property of any thing, that exists. This is what we are secretly apt to do, when we speak of organized bodies (plants for instance, or animals), owing their production, their form, their growth, their qualities, their beauty, their use, to any law or laws of nature; and when we are contented to sit down with that answer to our inquiries concerning them. I say once more, that it is a perversion of language to assign any law, as the efficient, operative cause of any thing. A law presupposes an agent, for it is only the mode according to which an agent proceeds; it implies a power, for it is the order according to which that power acts. Without this agent, without this power, which are both distinct from itself, the "law" does nothing; is nothing.Anaxagoras
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